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Subject: Military grade weapons should be prohibited.

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Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?


No it's not. That's my point. Making something illegal won't stop it. And in this case, the death toll is far higher.

  • 12.17.2012 12:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?
Killing people with guns isn't legal.

Your point?

  • 12.17.2012 12:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Double A

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Telec
20 children were shot at close range with an assault rifle, and people are arguing that measures that could help prevent another 20 children being shot at close range with an assault rifle shouldn't be pursued.


The gun is not the problem, it is the person holding it that was the problem.

It is nearly impossible to prevent these disasters from happening and if someone wanted to hurt people, they will do it regardless if they have a gun or not. They will find other weapons to use.

Also the children were NOT shot with assault rifles.

There were multiple bullet wounds in them, they were shot by assault rifles.

I am in awe of your logic
/sarcasm
Also, last I heard he left the rifle in the car and used the pistols. But, I'm sure that's subject to change with the quality of "journalism" today.

  • 12.17.2012 12:07 PM PDT

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?


No it's not. That's my point. Making something illegal won't stop it. And in this case, the death toll is far higher.
No, you're right... It won't stop it.

But, what do you think would happen if drinking and driving was to be made legal?

  • 12.17.2012 12:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Prophet0fValor

Posted by: Double A

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Telec
20 children were shot at close range with an assault rifle, and people are arguing that measures that could help prevent another 20 children being shot at close range with an assault rifle shouldn't be pursued.


The gun is not the problem, it is the person holding it that was the problem.

It is nearly impossible to prevent these disasters from happening and if someone wanted to hurt people, they will do it regardless if they have a gun or not. They will find other weapons to use.

Also the children were NOT shot with assault rifles.

There were multiple bullet wounds in them, they were shot by assault rifles.

I am in awe of your logic
/sarcasm
Also, last I heard he left the rifle in the car and used the pistols. But, I'm sure that's subject to change with the quality of "journalism" today.
Actually, you're exactly right. Read the stories now, apparently the rifle is what he used on everyone except himself.

Very big change from what was initially reported and I for one am suspicious.

  • 12.17.2012 12:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?


No it's not. That's my point. Making something illegal won't stop it. And in this case, the death toll is far higher.
No, you're right... It won't stop it.

But, what do you think would happen if drinking and driving was to be made legal?

I don't think much would change in that scenario, actually.

  • 12.17.2012 12:09 PM PDT

Hi! How you doin'?

Sometimes, all you need are a couple giant explosions to get you through the day.

We need a mandatory psyche evaluation on everyone looking to purchase firearms, mandatory weapons handling training, and a mandatory secure area to store them.

Across the board implementation of these three things would probably cut down the violence from legally owned firearms to almost nothing; however, since the black market is still a thing, the criminals who want them will still get them.

At least people will stop blaming buyers of legally obtained firearms, right?

  • 12.17.2012 12:09 PM PDT

Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?
Killing people with guns isn't legal.

Your point?
Killing people is a potential side effect of drinking and driving. That is why it is illegal.

Killing people is also a potential side effect of owning guns. That's why it is... legal?

  • 12.17.2012 12:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Prophet0fValor
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?


No it's not. That's my point. Making something illegal won't stop it. And in this case, the death toll is far higher.
No, you're right... It won't stop it.

But, what do you think would happen if drinking and driving was to be made legal?

I don't think much would change in that scenario, actually.
Well, aren't you in a lovely state of denial?

They say ingorance is bliss... Are you happy?

  • 12.17.2012 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big Black Bear
Killing people is also a potential side effect of owning guns. That's why it is... legal?
No, it isn't. Not anymore than killing people is a potential side effect of owning a car.

  • 12.17.2012 12:11 PM PDT

Shouldn't ex-soldiers be allowed to carry autos?

  • 12.17.2012 12:11 PM PDT
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Armalite Model 15

Not Assault Rifle 15

Learn some history.

  • 12.17.2012 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?
Killing people with guns isn't legal.

Your point?
Killing people is a potential side effect of drinking and driving. That is why it is illegal.

Killing people is also a potential side effect of owning guns. That's why it is... legal?

Killing people is not a potential side effect of owning guns. the gun in now way acts or influences a person such does alchohol. That is similar to saying owning a knife has the same side effect.

  • 12.17.2012 12:12 PM PDT

Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Killing people is also a potential side effect of owning guns. That's why it is... legal?
No, it isn't. Not anymore than killing people is a potential side effect of owning a car.
It certainly is.

The difference... Cars have some useful purpose that outweighs the potential risks.

  • 12.17.2012 12:13 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"


Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
Is it worth mentioning that twice as many people are killed every year by alcohol-related car accidents? Of course it's usually one or a few at a time, so that's tolerable, right?
And that's also perfectly legal, right?


No it's not. That's my point. Making something illegal won't stop it. And in this case, the death toll is far higher.
No, you're right... It won't stop it.

But, what do you think would happen if drinking and driving was to be made legal?


The deaths would likely go up.

But what you are arguing is that the banning of drunk driving is equivalent to the banning of guns. That's not parallel. The use of guns is a tool in a murder, like the use of cars in drunk driving incidents. Banning the sale, transport, and purchase of a vehicle would also stop alcohol-related automobile deaths (Hey, public transportation operated by licensed and trained vehicle operators would allow people to safely reach their destinations. We don't need to put the ordinary, every day citizen inside of a metal death machine. It's too dangerous).

But that's unreasonable.

Legislature against guns won't stop gun crimes because it didn't work for drunk driving, it didn't work for drugs, and it didn't work for alcohol in the prohibition era. History says this won't work, so we need new options.

  • 12.17.2012 12:14 PM PDT

Derp

i never got the hate for ken... before this thread, man is he a mentally unstable idiot who loves his 'murica.

  • 12.17.2012 12:14 PM PDT
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I want a new rule that says gun related threads are banned.

  • 12.17.2012 12:14 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Killing people is also a potential side effect of owning guns. That's why it is... legal?
No, it isn't. Not anymore than killing people is a potential side effect of owning a car.
It certainly is.

The difference... Cars have some useful purpose that outweighs the potential risks.
So if I own a car that I keep garaged all the time, someone could die? o_O

Owning =/= operating.

  • 12.17.2012 12:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: Prophet0fValor
Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: prometheus25
[quote]Posted by: Big Black Bear
No it's not. That's my point. Making something illegal won't stop it. And in this case, the death toll is far higher.
No, you're right... It won't stop it.

But, what do you think would happen if drinking and driving was to be made legal?

I don't think much would change in that scenario, actually.
Well, aren't you in a lovely state of denial?

They say ingorance is bliss... Are you happy?

You really think many people would start driving drunk because it's no longer illegal? Also, lose the attitude.

  • 12.17.2012 12:15 PM PDT
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Gun control discussions are political threads, which are prohibited in the public forums.

  • 12.17.2012 12:15 PM PDT