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Subject: Guns can allow evil men to kill easier

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns defend people from people with smaller guns :P

  • 12.17.2012 3:11 PM PDT


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: bred
No, banning guns will NOT stop the insane from killing people.

In china, 20 kids were stabbed

In America, 20 kids were shot

In China, those 20 kids lived

In America, those 20 kids died


Banning guns wont stop crazy people from being crazy and doing crazy stuff, but it will save lives.


And in a previous knife attack in China, over 20 children died.

  • 12.17.2012 3:11 PM PDT
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Guns don't kill people.

People kill people.

With guns.

  • 12.17.2012 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ultratog1028
If someone is set to kill, they will kill, whether with a gun or a pointy stick.

That's a bad argument. If someone mentally ill has such easy access to such a violent and brutal weapon, they may use it to cause destruction or harm, because they're crazy.

If someone hasn't got such easy access to such a violent and brutal weapon, they may do otherwise. A lot of shootings happen with no motives.

  • 12.17.2012 3:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Technoxious

Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: bred
No, banning guns will NOT stop the insane from killing people.

In china, 20 kids were stabbed

In America, 20 kids were shot

In China, those 20 kids lived

In America, those 20 kids died


Banning guns wont stop crazy people from being crazy and doing crazy stuff, but it will save lives.


And in a previous knife attack in China, over 20 children died.
And in a previous gun attack in America, 32 people died.

  • 12.17.2012 3:15 PM PDT


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: Technoxious

Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: bred
No, banning guns will NOT stop the insane from killing people.

In china, 20 kids were stabbed

In America, 20 kids were shot

In China, those 20 kids lived

In America, those 20 kids died


Banning guns wont stop crazy people from being crazy and doing crazy stuff, but it will save lives.


And in a previous knife attack in China, over 20 children died.
And in a previous gun attack in America, 32 people died.


So we agree, crazy people will commit atrocities no matter what. If we didn't have gun free zones though, hopefully the death toll of innocents would be a lot less.

  • 12.17.2012 3:17 PM PDT

The problem isn't even that guns make killing easier. The real problem is that people in the United States seem to have an unusually high desire to kill.

  • 12.17.2012 3:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Technoxious

Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: bred
No, banning guns will NOT stop the insane from killing people.

In china, 20 kids were stabbed

In America, 20 kids were shot

In China, those 20 kids lived

In America, those 20 kids died


Banning guns wont stop crazy people from being crazy and doing crazy stuff, but it will save lives.


And in a previous knife attack in China, over 20 children died.

Wait, they died? Source please.

  • 12.17.2012 3:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: ICEISNICE
The problem isn't even that guns make killing easier. The real problem is that people in the United States seem to have an unusually high desire to kill.
Please refer to my post on the first page.

  • 12.17.2012 3:19 PM PDT

Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

Guns make things easier but knives and fire are way more fun.

  • 12.17.2012 3:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Opinion

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
True, but only because most people don't carry.

It boils down to this:

Do you want a society where everyone is defenseless and complacent, or do you want a society where everyone is independent and naturally keeps each other in check?


Why can't you have a society that doesn't need guns to feel safe? Whether it be from other citizens or from tyranny.

The other 1st world countries, that have strict gun control, seem to manage it.
Seem to. Problem with gun control, is that citizens then become powerless against a corrupt government. And as we all know, governments never go corrupt. Nope. Never.

Do you really want to surrender your guns to the most fiscally corrupt government in the world? Think about it.

  • 12.17.2012 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Technoxious
So we agree, crazy people will commit atrocities no matter what.
yes, preventing these things from happening by treating people who are mentally ill should be the biggest concern.
Posted by: Technoxious
If we didn't have gun free zones though, hopefully the death toll of innocents would be a lot less.
Not sure how you got to that conclusion, all i'm seeing is that mass stabbings result in less deaths than mass shootings, which leads me to believe that gun control saves lives.

  • 12.17.2012 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS

Posted by: Opinion

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
True, but only because most people don't carry.

It boils down to this:

Do you want a society where everyone is defenseless and complacent, or do you want a society where everyone is independent and naturally keeps each other in check?


Why can't you have a society that doesn't need guns to feel safe? Whether it be from other citizens or from tyranny.

The other 1st world countries, that have strict gun control, seem to manage it.
Seem to. Problem with gun control, is that citizens then become powerless against a corrupt government. And as we all know, governments never go corrupt. Nope. Never.

Do you really want to surrender your guns to the most fiscally corrupt government in the world? Think about it.


*sighs*


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
Let me paraphrasee what a floodian posted yesterday:

"Arming every red neck and soccer mom with handguns isn't going to do squat against UAV's, tanks, helicopters, jets, Nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and nukes, if the American government became a tyrannical dictatorship then either the military would wipe out any opposition, or wipe out the would be tyrants.

  • 12.17.2012 3:25 PM PDT


Posted by: bred

Posted by: ICEISNICE
The problem isn't even that guns make killing easier. The real problem is that people in the United States seem to have an unusually high desire to kill.
Please refer to my post on the first page.
I worded my post a big strangely, but I completely agree with your post.

  • 12.17.2012 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: Technoxious
So we agree, crazy people will commit atrocities no matter what.
yes, preventing these things from happening by treating people who are mentally ill should be the biggest concern.
Posted by: Technoxious
If we didn't have gun free zones though, hopefully the death toll of innocents would be a lot less.
Not sure how you got to that conclusion, all i'm seeing is that mass stabbings result in less deaths than mass shootings, which leads me to believe that gun control saves lives.


Perhaps in a totalitarian society like China, gun control can save lives. Through absolute deprivation of freedom. I hopefully don't have to explain why that won't work in America. But here in America, we had the brilliant idea of creating gun free zones, as if that would somehow stop criminals from bringing in guns.

  • 12.17.2012 3:28 PM PDT


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS

Posted by: Opinion

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
True, but only because most people don't carry.

It boils down to this:

Do you want a society where everyone is defenseless and complacent, or do you want a society where everyone is independent and naturally keeps each other in check?


Why can't you have a society that doesn't need guns to feel safe? Whether it be from other citizens or from tyranny.

The other 1st world countries, that have strict gun control, seem to manage it.
Seem to. Problem with gun control, is that citizens then become powerless against a corrupt government. And as we all know, governments never go corrupt. Nope. Never.

Do you really want to surrender your guns to the most fiscally corrupt government in the world? Think about it.


*sighs*


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
Let me paraphrasee what a floodian posted yesterday:

"Arming every red neck and soccer mom with handguns isn't going to do squat against UAV's, tanks, helicopters, jets, Nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and nukes, if the American government became a tyrannical dictatorship then either the military would wipe out any opposition, or wipe out the would be tyrants.
Do not ever underestimate the power of a revolution. The same thing was said about a bunch of farmers with muskets vs the entire British Empire. But look what happened. Determination to throw off a bully succeeded, and will always succeed, if the will is strong, and the rebels are united.

  • 12.17.2012 3:28 PM PDT


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS

Posted by: Opinion

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
True, but only because most people don't carry.

It boils down to this:

Do you want a society where everyone is defenseless and complacent, or do you want a society where everyone is independent and naturally keeps each other in check?


Why can't you have a society that doesn't need guns to feel safe? Whether it be from other citizens or from tyranny.

The other 1st world countries, that have strict gun control, seem to manage it.
Seem to. Problem with gun control, is that citizens then become powerless against a corrupt government. And as we all know, governments never go corrupt. Nope. Never.

Do you really want to surrender your guns to the most fiscally corrupt government in the world? Think about it.


*sighs*


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
Let me paraphrasee what a floodian posted yesterday:

"Arming every red neck and soccer mom with handguns isn't going to do squat against UAV's, tanks, helicopters, jets, Nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and nukes, if the American government became a tyrannical dictatorship then either the military would wipe out any opposition, or wipe out the would be tyrants.


Are you sure? Because we still haven't been able to pacify Afghanistan and all they have are some assault rifles, homemade bombs, and some rocket launchers. You underestimate the power of the people.

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Posted by: boomdeyadah
Because we really needed another gun thread.

  • 12.17.2012 3:30 PM PDT
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I'm going to find and shoot the next person who makes another stupid -blam!- gun rights thread. It's my right to defend the flood from this insanity.

  • 12.17.2012 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Do not ever underestimate the power of a revolution. The same thing was said about a bunch of farmers with muskets vs the entire British Empire. But look what happened. Determination to throw off a bully succeeded, and will always succeed, if the will is strong, and the rebels are united.


You realize the forces that took part in the War of Independence only accounted for a fraction of the British armed forces and was nowhere near "the entire British Empire" and that, if the British had brought all their troops to the table, farmers with guns wouldn't have stood a chance, right?

  • 12.17.2012 3:32 PM PDT

Forks can allow fat men to get fatter easier.

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  • 12.17.2012 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Opinion

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Do not ever underestimate the power of a revolution. The same thing was said about a bunch of farmers with muskets vs the entire British Empire. But look what happened. Determination to throw off a bully succeeded, and will always succeed, if the will is strong, and the rebels are united.


You realize the forces that took part in the War of Independence only accounted for a fraction of the British armed forces and was nowhere near "the entire British Empire" and that, if the British had brought all their troops to the table, farmers with guns wouldn't have stood a chance, right?
You're gonna have to give some sauce on that one, bro.

  • 12.17.2012 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Do not ever underestimate the power of a revolution. The same thing was said about a bunch of farmers with muskets vs the entire British Empire. But look what happened. Determination to throw off a bully succeeded, and will always succeed, if the will is strong, and the rebels are united.
@bolded, I'm not, you are underestimating the power of arguably the strongest military in the world.

Determination doesn't mean anything when your enemy can kill you with UAVs while sipping tea on the other side of the world, or inboard one of many nuclear aircraft carriers.
Posted by: Technoxious
Perhaps in a totalitarian society like China, gun control can save lives. Through absolute deprivation of freedom. I hopefully don't have to explain why that won't work in America. But here in America, we had the brilliant idea of creating gun free zones, as if that would somehow stop criminals from bringing in guns.
You make it sound like they have no freedom at all solely because they can't posses something that is designed to kill and do nothing else.

Going back to Connecticut, how did the shooter get his guns? by taking them from his mother, not from illegally smuggling them in or doing back alley dealings with drug cartel and terrorists, nope, he (unassumingly) just picked it up from his mother's house.

And where did his mother get the guns? from any of the easily accessible guns stores.


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  • 12.17.2012 3:38 PM PDT
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  • 12.17.2012 3:38 PM PDT


Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Do not ever underestimate the power of a revolution. The same thing was said about a bunch of farmers with muskets vs the entire British Empire. But look what happened. Determination to throw off a bully succeeded, and will always succeed, if the will is strong, and the rebels are united.
@bolded, I'm not, you are underestimating the power of arguably the strongest military in the world.

Determination doesn't mean anything when your enemy can kill you with UAVs while sipping tea on the other side of the world, or inboard one of many nuclear aircraft carriers.
Posted by: Technoxious
Perhaps in a totalitarian society like China, gun control can save lives. Through absolute deprivation of freedom. I hopefully don't have to explain why that won't work in America. But here in America, we had the brilliant idea of creating gun free zones, as if that would somehow stop criminals from bringing in guns.
You make it sound like they have no freedom at all solely because they can't posses something that is designed to kill and do nothing else.

Going back to Connecticut, how did the shooter get his guns? by taking them from his mother, not from illegally smuggling them in or doing back alley dealings with drug cartel and terrorists, nope, he (unassumingly) just picked it up from his mother's house.

And where did his mother get the guns? from any of the easily accessible guns stores.


Yes he took his mother's firearms...which was illegal. Thus he illegally acquired the weapons. Plus, no one's dealing with the cartels or terrorists. If people want something and are willing to pay for it, people will sell it to them. Just look at prohibition.

  • 12.17.2012 3:42 PM PDT

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