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Subject: Halo's Sense of Fun
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I was replaying Halo:CE last night and I just found that the gunfights in Halo were MUCH more fun than in Halo 2. For some reason playing Halo was jsut a much more fun experience than Halo 2. I tried to think about why and I'm not sure, though I think it has to do with the weapons. I Halo the gun models were closer to the screen and they felt and were more powerful. The Assault Rifle felt and sounded strong when shot and the Plasma Rifle was actually damaging and it froze people to boot. Compare this to Halo 2 where the models are smaller and the guns sound and are less damaging. First of all the whole bigger gun thing made the weapons seem stronger. (THough this is only minor) Also compare the powerful sound, and rumble of teh Assault Rifle to teh weak brap of teh SMG. Not only did the SMG sound weak, but it was and the gun was tiny. Compare the old PR to teh new PR> WHile the new gun shoots two shots for every 1/100 of the plasma core and its rate of fire is huge, the rumble is missing, and the gun virtually is as threating alone as a watergun. The PR went from one of teh strongest guns in Halo to a joke. Even the Needler, which shot needles at a much higher rof has been downgraded to a slower rof and a tinier gun. What I'm trying to say is that the weak guns of Halo 2 made the game less fun to play when stacked up with its predecessor. I really hope that in Halo 3, BUngie makes the gunplay fun again.

  • 07.05.2006 12:13 PM PDT
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I guess nothing but the 1000000 conspiracy threads get replies, huh?

  • 07.05.2006 12:19 PM PDT
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guess so.

  • 07.05.2006 12:29 PM PDT

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You should of made up your own instrument. You could have named it the PolarLighting -a-phone. People would buy it and they would all be like "Awh, He's so cool for inventing the PolarLighting-a-phone."

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  • 07.05.2006 12:36 PM PDT
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I try.

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I spend all this time making a post and not even 1 person can give me a response? Come on.

  • 07.05.2006 1:36 PM PDT

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lol , i think everyone except for dumb people agree halo 1 was far more fun. for many reasons. and the weapons too are a contrubuting factor. halo 2 seemed more mainstream, they were trying to make it more available and easy to pick up. it was only playable on one level while halo 1 coudl be replayed and mastered.

  • 07.05.2006 1:39 PM PDT
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The needler has a higher ROF in Halo 2,and a bigger clip. However,it was about 1.5 billion times cooler in Halo 1. The sound and look of the needles exploding...

  • 07.05.2006 1:49 PM PDT
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I think the thought of bullet hosees seems powerfull

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the campaign in halo ce was incredible and easily replayable and awesome and stuff. legendary co-op was, in my opinion where ce shined. halo 2 i think has better mp, but the campaign is only replayable because of the skulls and grenade jumping and stuff ti the top of the map

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Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.


Um..No. Especially you're supposed fact about the pistol. How could one be so ignorant to post their opinion as a fact anyway?

I agree with the thread starter

  • 07.05.2006 2:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.

1) Moron
2) That doesn't mean it has to be wimpy as hell
3) Its a game where english speaking aliens are shooting blue plasma at each other on a world with a huge ring around it. MC was stolen from an orphanage, pumped up with drugs and forced to undergo life-threatening surgery to fight in the army. This obviously isn't a realistic game.
4) A gun shouldn't have to only work well when used with other guns.
5) A needler, no, its not. 2 needlers yes. The needler in Halo 1 had a higher rate of fire than a single needler in Halo 2.

Tu es muy estupido.

  • 07.05.2006 2:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.


Fact: You're the idiot

Fact: The SMG sounds like a bunch of popcorn popping. Have you ever heard a real SMG? I am not talking about the sounds in movies or the internet. Im talking about a real SMG right in front of you. My grandpa reading the newspaper is more threatening than the SMG sounds in Halo.

Fact: The Halo CE pistol was a high explosive tip causing it to be as powerful as today's Colt 45. Some pistols can blast holes 1" thick through one side and out the other of a refigerator. I personally have seen and tried this

Fact: The PR is now only good for dual weilding. Which decreases the amount of options for you to use while attacking. The stun part should be brought back for the plasma rifle and the ghost/banshee. Also the sound is again worse than before. The old PR sound rocked. When i first played Halo 2 i was dissapointed in the sound of some of the weapons.

Fact: Yes it is more powerful. but still i can hardly hear the sound of the explosion. it sounds like someone just set of a tiny firecracker. Whatever happened to the massive purple cloud of doom and the shockwave sound created by it.

I digress.. the sounds for halo CE weapons should be brought back. The ones we have now sound like tools to make food and slice peaches. The pistol strength should kept how it is in Halo 2 just add a little bit more ammo for it. Aside from that they should also add in the first pistol, just not allow it to be dual weildable. It might sound dumb to have 2 different pistols in a game but hey... its halo 3

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All I want is for the guns to sound 'heavier'. People have pretty much said it, but I wanna say it again, Halo 2's weapons sound like childrens' toys. The sound effects were much better in Halo 1.

  • 07.05.2006 8:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ferretwave
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.

1) Moron
2) That doesn't mean it has to be wimpy as hell
3) Its a game where english speaking aliens are shooting blue plasma at each other on a world with a huge ring around it. MC was stolen from an orphanage, pumped up with drugs and forced to undergo life-threatening surgery to fight in the army. This obviously isn't a realistic game.
4) A gun shouldn't have to only work well when used with other guns.
5) A needler, no, its not. 2 needlers yes. The needler in Halo 1 had a higher rate of fire than a single needler in Halo 2.


no matter what you say gunshark is right. Weapons were weaker b/c of duel wielding. You can't have two pistols and easily kill someone with a rifle of any kind. Also, the melee attacks are quicker if you didn't notice, if you know how to melee attack you can kill someone with the SMG. It's not wimpy, you just didn't take the time to master melee attacks

  • 07.05.2006 8:59 PM PDT
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My friend and I discussed this at length. Halo 2 is too specialized. It's combat, combat, combat... all the way through. You aren't allowed to free wander in the slightest like you could in the Silent Cartographer, Halo and Attack on the Control Room Levels. (Admittedly more on the first two then the last)

Halo 1 had a sense of exploration and wonder in it. You literally stopped and looked around and admired your environment. Halo 2 doesn't really give you the chance to explore and just... stop... and say, "Damn, this is some fine game design."

I was so very dissappointed that Halo 2 didn't show off the inside of a covenant ship. I liked the Truth and Reconciliation's sections. I loved how they had a gravity lift / cargo deck, a launch bay and control room. I wanted to see more! High Charity was horrible... such an expansive city and you can't explore it.

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Posted by: Usedtabe
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.

Post above, what about the Forunner station? You explored that, even rode around it!
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.


Um..No. Especially you're supposed fact about the pistol. How could one be so ignorant to post their opinion as a fact anyway?

I agree with the thread starter
Should a secondary weapon be stronger than a primary weapon? No...

The only reason why people complain about the Plasma Rifle, is because IT has decreased auto-assist. Unlike some guns in Halo 2, IT has less "Tracking" auto-assist. Due to hitboxes, you don't have to look at a player to hit them, a little off. But in Halo 1. I remember the Plasma Rifle actually following a player, making it easier. This is absent in Halo 2, you have to track due to the slow balls of fire, which was in CE as well. don't bash halo 2 for that. Plus, Plasma Rifles are aful strong in Campaign, and mainly used as duel weilds in Multiplayer.

NEedler was tecnically more powerful, 30 round clip, old one only had 20. Faster firing rate, and duel weild makes it deadly. The SMG isn't that weak, 25 shots on average WILL kill. Duel Weilded SMG's is like a fricken' Assault Rifle. Range is about the same, i've tried it. Just tap the trigger. The Battle Rifle is cooler than the Halo 1 pistol. Though I do agree on the Plasma Pistol, the vibration should still be there and the firing rate, maybe overblast damage too, but duel weilding...that may make it too powerful.

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Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.
The pistol from Halo: CE was under powered.

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Posted by: The Lone Heretic
Posted by: The Gunshark 360
Fact: You are an idiot.
Fact: The main reason why the SMG sounded quieter than the AR was because it is a SMALLER gun.
Fact: The Halo 1 Pistol was overpowered and wrong, the Battle Rifle is a much more accurate representation of a go-to weapon, not something that is supposed to be a sidearm. Is it really accurate for a military to have a weapon like the Halo 1 Pistol? Hell no.
Fact: The PR has been toned down to be a good combo for Duel-Wielding (SMG/PR, Magnum/PR). It is still one of the strongest weapons in the game if used properly.
Fact: The Needler is much more powerful in Halo 2, when used correctly.

It appears that your comments are entirely one-sided and just sound stupid, Halo 2 (aside from the sniper rifle issues), takes more skill to win and is a lot more fun to play (except on Legendary). Stronger weapons do not equal more fun because it is less satisfying when you get a kill.
The pistol from Halo: CE was under powered.
Wow... So you want pistols to take down in one hit? So the Sniper is no longer needed then for mid range situations(where it is actually often used).

  • 07.05.2006 9:25 PM PDT