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Posted by: Ben2974
I'm guessing OP was recently introduced to stoicism.
This idea that emotion being a marker for memories has been a thought of mine for a while.

  • 12.17.2012 9:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
I'm an INTP, I honestly don't feel, or act on any emotions, on a very regular basis.
"INTP"? Stoicism is not having strong emotions and being neutral so basically you do think with an emotion but this emotion is a very unspecific memory marker (except with thoughts that are specifically stoic) giving the person who is experiencing the emotion a wider range of memories to reference on.
A Jungian personality type. INTP - Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiving (Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition)

"The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. They strive constantly to achieve logical conclusions to problems, and don't understand the importance or relevance of applying subjective emotional considerations to decisions."

  • 12.17.2012 9:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
I'm an INTP, I honestly don't feel, or act on any emotions, on a very regular basis.
"INTP"? Stoicism is not having strong emotions and being neutral so basically you do think with an emotion but this emotion is a very unspecific memory marker (except with thoughts that are specifically stoic) giving the person who is experiencing the emotion a wider range of memories to reference on.
A Jungian personality type. INTP - Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiving (Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition)

"The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. They strive constantly to achieve logical conclusions to problems, and don't understand the importance or relevance of applying subjective emotional considerations to decisions."
So stoicism?

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Posted by: angryMan69

Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
I'm an INTP, I honestly don't feel, or act on any emotions, on a very regular basis.
"INTP"? Stoicism is not having strong emotions and being neutral so basically you do think with an emotion but this emotion is a very unspecific memory marker (except with thoughts that are specifically stoic) giving the person who is experiencing the emotion a wider range of memories to reference on.
A Jungian personality type. INTP - Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiving (Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition)

"The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. They strive constantly to achieve logical conclusions to problems, and don't understand the importance or relevance of applying subjective emotional considerations to decisions."
So stoicism?
No, because there is no emotion, I feel nothing. My brain is clockwork. It moves forward and is motivated purely because it is active. Objects move due to natural forces, the rain doesn't fall because it feels, no matter how slightly, that it would be good to fall. It falls because it must. I think because I must. Because thinking is unavoidable.

I feel emotions and I do enjoy them, but it's secondary to thinking. I can take an intellectual satisfaction if I choose to, or indulge in an emotion if it seems to be logically justified. And often even if it isn't justified, but is logically harmless, since I've found that being whimsical can be a source of enjoyment.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 9:40 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 9:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69

Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
I'm an INTP, I honestly don't feel, or act on any emotions, on a very regular basis.
"INTP"? Stoicism is not having strong emotions and being neutral so basically you do think with an emotion but this emotion is a very unspecific memory marker (except with thoughts that are specifically stoic) giving the person who is experiencing the emotion a wider range of memories to reference on.
A Jungian personality type. INTP - Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiving (Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition)

"The INTP has no understanding or value for decisions made on the basis of personal subjectivity or feelings. They strive constantly to achieve logical conclusions to problems, and don't understand the importance or relevance of applying subjective emotional considerations to decisions."
So stoicism?
No, because there is no emotion, I feel nothing. My brain is clockwork. It moves forward and is motivated purely because it is active. Objects move due to natural forces, the rain doesn't fall because it feels, no matter how slightly, that it would be good to fall. It falls because it must. I think because I must. Because thinking is unavoidable.

I feel emotions and I do enjoy them, but it's secondary to thinking. I can take an intellectual satisfaction if I choose to, or indulge in an emotion if I feel it's logically justified.
Dude that is stoicism! Stoicism is just feeling nothing, no happiness, sadness, nor anything other than that!

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you described it as 'an emotion of neutrality'

  • 12.17.2012 9:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Elegiac
you described it as 'an emotion of neutrality'
Yes I do since you feel neutral to happiness or sadness, neither overpowers the others.

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Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
you described it as 'an emotion of neutrality'
Yes I do since you feel neutral to happiness or sadness, neither overpowers the others.
I don't feel it, I know it. It's a fact- a piece of information is that I am neutral in regards to emotions. Also emotions aren't 'memory markers' for me. I have the information of the memory, and I can recall the associated emotion (if there was one) if it's necessary or I so choose out of sheer perversity.

  • 12.17.2012 9:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
you described it as 'an emotion of neutrality'
Yes I do since you feel neutral to happiness or sadness, neither overpowers the others.
I don't feel it, I know it. It's a fact- a piece of information is that I am neutral in regards to emotions. Also emotions aren't 'memory markers' for me. I have the information of the memory, and I can recall the associated emotion (if there was one) if it's necessary or I so choose out of sheer perversity.
So an emotion of being stoic means neutrality to happiness or sadness. If you are stoic then memories have no tie to a degree of happiness or sadness so all memories are neutral. If happiness or sadness aren't memory markers then stoicism is to you and if you do not feel an emotion (happiness, sadness, or stoicism) then should you not be stimulated to create memories?

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Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
you described it as 'an emotion of neutrality'
Yes I do since you feel neutral to happiness or sadness, neither overpowers the others.
I don't feel it, I know it. It's a fact- a piece of information is that I am neutral in regards to emotions. Also emotions aren't 'memory markers' for me. I have the information of the memory, and I can recall the associated emotion (if there was one) if it's necessary or I so choose out of sheer perversity.
So an emotion of being stoic means neutrality to happiness or sadness. If you are stoic then memories have no tie to a degree of happiness or sadness so all memories are neutral. If happiness or sadness aren't memory markers then stoicism is to you and if you do not feel an emotion (happiness, sadness, or stoicism) then should you not be stimulated to create memories?
I don't 'feel' the need to remember things. I have memories because without them I couldn't think effectively.

  • 12.17.2012 10:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
Posted by: angryMan69
Posted by: Elegiac
you described it as 'an emotion of neutrality'
Yes I do since you feel neutral to happiness or sadness, neither overpowers the others.
I don't feel it, I know it. It's a fact- a piece of information is that I am neutral in regards to emotions. Also emotions aren't 'memory markers' for me. I have the information of the memory, and I can recall the associated emotion (if there was one) if it's necessary or I so choose out of sheer perversity.
So an emotion of being stoic means neutrality to happiness or sadness. If you are stoic then memories have no tie to a degree of happiness or sadness so all memories are neutral. If happiness or sadness aren't memory markers then stoicism is to you and if you do not feel an emotion (happiness, sadness, or stoicism) then should you not be stimulated to create memories?
I don't 'feel' the need to remember things. I have memories because without them I couldn't think effectively.
Memories are created because of some external or internal stimuli. This stimuli could also make you feel neutral as if you feel nothing but you feel something because if you did not feel anything you would literally not feel any stimuli hit your head. I don't have the need to remember somethings but I do since I felt something in the realm of emotion like happiness, sadness, or stoicism.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 10:14 PM PST]

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Posted by: angryMan69
Memories are created because of some external or internal stimuli. This stimuli could also make you feel neutral as if you feel nothing but you feel something because if you did not feel anything you would literally not feel any stimuli hit your head. I don't have the need to remember somethings but I do since I felt something in the realm of emotion like happiness, sadness, or stoicism.
I already explained that my brain is clockwork. I react to stimuli and record them like paint will preserve an image, or as water reacts to an object being dropped into it.

  • 12.17.2012 10:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Elegiac

Posted by: angryMan69
Memories are created because of some external or internal stimuli. This stimuli could also make you feel neutral as if you feel nothing but you feel something because if you did not feel anything you would literally not feel any stimuli hit your head. I don't have the need to remember somethings but I do since I felt something in the realm of emotion like happiness, sadness, or stoicism.
I already explained that my brain is clockwork. I react to stimuli and record them like paint will preserve an image, or as water reacts to an object being dropped into it.
So you're being stimulated to record this stimuli (like this debate) and make it a memory. This stimuli makes you feel indifferent or neutral (stoic) and since stimuli affects you the same way (assumingly) then you record stuff like crazy. Since stimuli is recorded the same way then you can probably remember a lot compared to me in that I only record things that are very recent or that have some profound affect on me emotionally. What I mean by emotionally is that I was made to be happy, sad, or indifferent. Indifferent in the sense of knowledge in that I just learn it without it really making me feel close to happy or sad like I learned what a sledgehammer is or how to solve polynomial equations using synthetic division.

  • 12.17.2012 10:32 PM PDT
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You keep using that word: 'feel'. I understand what you mean, but to say that 'This stimuli makes you feel indifferent or neutral' is incorrect. I don't feel anything towards it unless I decide to.
Posted by: Elegiac
I already explained that my brain is clockwork. I react to stimuli and record them like paint will preserve an image, or as water reacts to an object being dropped into it.




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