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Subject: Gunman tries to open fire at movie theater and off duty cop drops him

The "gunman" went and shot people because he was upset since his girlfriend broke up with him. People described him as a "good kid and not violent". He was also shot "several times" by the cop, not once.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Officials -Breakup-sparked-Santikos-shooting-4123414.php

  • 12.17.2012 11:36 PM PDT


Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: aTALLmidget

Posted by: Cheeto666

Should you aim to kill? Of course not,


This is wrong. If you are in a scenario where you must employ force, you shoot to kill, period.

Firearms are considered lethal force, and to use them against someone in any less capacity can land you in trouble.

You do not shoot to wound
you do not shoot to scare
you shoot to kill, period.

Let me rephrase: I'd be shooting to neutralize, which fully completes the objective of stopping him, killing or not. If he dies, who cares, it's how the shooting went down. If not and he's disabled, then he's ready to face justice in a court.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 11:36 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 11:36 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

This is my point. Rubber bullets are the best option, because it has the best chance of saving your life and saving theirs. And once again, if you can't place shots where they need to go to disable the threat, you shouldn't be using a gun, let alone even have one.
Posted by: aTALLmidget

Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: aTALLmidget

Posted by: Cheeto666

Should you aim to kill? Of course not,


This is wrong. If you are in a scenario where you must employ force, you shoot to kill, period.

Firearms are considered lethal force, and to use them against someone in any less capacity can land you in trouble.

You do not shoot to wound
you do not shoot to scare
you shoot to kill, period.

Let me rephrase: I'd be shooting to neutralize, which fully completes the objective of stopping him, killing or not. If he dies, who cares, it's how the shooting went down. If not and he's disabled, then he's ready to face justice in a court.

  • 12.17.2012 11:38 PM PDT

The Spartan Special Ops - Now with more LOLgasms!

Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates


Posted by: Cheeto666
Okay, I'll yield that to you. Always shoot to kill, but "shooting to kill", even with non-lethal rounds, would still have the effect of neutralizing a target.

Keep in mind, that even if you shoot someone with a lethal round, it's not guaranteed that it will kill them, or even slow them down.

In a firefight, nothing is certain until the other guy stops firing and you know he's not going to start firing again, whether he be dead or unconscious.
Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: aTALLmidget

Posted by: Cheeto666

Should you aim to kill? Of course not,


This is wrong. If you are in a scenario where you must employ force, you shoot to kill, period.

Firearms are considered lethal force, and to use them against someone in any less capacity can land you in trouble.

You do not shoot to wound
you do not shoot to scare
you shoot to kill, period.


Which is the point. You apply force till the threat is neutralized.

Vital organs being destroyed have a nasty habit of stopping someone in their tracks.

I would not rely on rubber rounds to neutralize a threat. To many variables, like adrenalin, body mass, and other drugs like say, pcp.

A ruptured heart, a shattered spine, a punctured lung all will stop an aggressor no matter what they are on.

  • 12.17.2012 11:38 PM PDT

There comes a time in every mans life... and that time is not now.

This is dumb. The person was a cop. A COP. Cops should be allowed guns, the rest of the public shouldn't.

  • 12.17.2012 11:42 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
The "gunman" went and shot people because he was upset since his girlfriend broke up with him. People described him as a "good kid and not violent". He was also shot "several times" by the cop, not once.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Officials -Breakup-sparked-Santikos-shooting-4123414.php

That doesn't change the fact that he had a gun and was threatening the lives of many people. And he shot him until he took his gun and then ceased. The suspect was no longer a threat and he deescalated. I commend him for doing it right.

  • 12.17.2012 11:45 PM PDT

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