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Subject: War Z on steam... full of Blatant lies to buyers...

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Android Spartan

Posted by: capitonRender007
Is that butthurt i smell?
If you buy it based on steams description you could technically sue them for putting a false description.

It should do what is described if it doesn't its illegal.


Currently people are contacting Steam demanding a refund and I imagine Hammerpoint will hopefully face some legal trouble for false advertising.

  • 12.18.2012 8:28 AM PDT
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Uh...


Posted by: adaben

Posted by: st kymon

Posted by: adaben

Posted by: st kymon
I buy a bike because it gets me from point A to point B, helps with exercise and is also sort of fun to ride. I don't buy a bike because of all the shiny things that are put on it.
How is this any different? If you buy it, it will eventually be updated and because you purchased it you will have rights (unless strictly stated otherwise, you do have rights to this sort of content update). OP, are you just complaining for the sake of it?
no one said the bike would come with shiny things, did they? also, the number of maps and how many people can play is generally quite important.
It still doesn't change the fact that you buy it to play a game. Are you going to complain that it doesn't tell you exactly what type of guns you can use in the game? It's a matter of extras; if you can actually play it, then the games purpose for the most part has been fulfilled. Yeah the extras are a dodgy method of getting more people, but why would someone lie about that? Seriously?
they just did lie about it. I can see were you're coming from, that all this stuff is unimportant and we should just play it, but it's the fact that they lied that gets me. by the way, have you actually bought this game? I haven't.
I assume it to be in beta stage by default because of one comment made earlier. If anything, shouldn't you be doing a bit of research before forking out money on what is essentially an indie game?
I never buy video games anymore. The last time I put money towards one was in February and that was for GTA IV. I haven't touched this or DayZ, and honestly I don't care about either.

To the guy that makes the point about the car with the extras; you make a fair point. Again, it comes down to research. I mean, if he says it does, you should be able to proof check that, right? The same applies to games more or less, although I can understand how that'd be a bit difficult if it's a very recent release so I suppose I do sympathise for you.

I think the only point that I can bring up, really, is that it's still a game. I mean yeah you're not getting what they promised, but if it is in an alpha/beta then you shouldn't have anything to worry, if this is the final edition then I guess it's just the luck of the draw. I'm surprised a game like this managed to get through copyright, but DayZ isn't even a legitimate game so this is just I suppose trying to work that into legitimacy.

  • 12.18.2012 8:29 AM PDT

Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.

  • 12.18.2012 8:30 AM PDT

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I work for the Department of Defense.


Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.

[Edited on 12.18.2012 8:33 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 8:33 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.


We need to make an example out of them and to the rest of the gaming industry that this behavior will not be tolerated.

link The developer posted this on their forums from may of this year when Day Z came out, which means it was not in development when DayZ was made, which means it is another lie.

[Edited on 12.18.2012 8:35 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 8:35 AM PDT

hi


Posted by: st kymon

Posted by: adaben

Posted by: st kymon

Posted by: adaben

Posted by: st kymon
I buy a bike because it gets me from point A to point B, helps with exercise and is also sort of fun to ride. I don't buy a bike because of all the shiny things that are put on it.
How is this any different? If you buy it, it will eventually be updated and because you purchased it you will have rights (unless strictly stated otherwise, you do have rights to this sort of content update). OP, are you just complaining for the sake of it?
no one said the bike would come with shiny things, did they? also, the number of maps and how many people can play is generally quite important.
It still doesn't change the fact that you buy it to play a game. Are you going to complain that it doesn't tell you exactly what type of guns you can use in the game? It's a matter of extras; if you can actually play it, then the games purpose for the most part has been fulfilled. Yeah the extras are a dodgy method of getting more people, but why would someone lie about that? Seriously?
they just did lie about it. I can see were you're coming from, that all this stuff is unimportant and we should just play it, but it's the fact that they lied that gets me. by the way, have you actually bought this game? I haven't.
I assume it to be in beta stage by default because of one comment made earlier. If anything, shouldn't you be doing a bit of research before forking out money on what is essentially an indie game?
I never buy video games anymore. The last time I put money towards one was in February and that was for GTA IV. I haven't touched this or DayZ, and honestly I don't care about either.

To the guy that makes the point about the car with the extras; you make a fair point. Again, it comes down to research. I mean, if he says it does, you should be able to proof check that, right? The same applies to games more or less, although I can understand how that'd be a bit difficult if it's a very recent release so I suppose I do sympathise for you.

I think the only point that I can bring up, really, is that it's still a game. I mean yeah you're not getting what they promised, but if it is in an alpha/beta then you shouldn't have anything to worry, if this is the final edition then I guess it's just the luck of the draw. I'm surprised a game like this managed to get through copyright, but DayZ isn't even a legitimate game so this is just I suppose trying to work that into legitimacy.
it's still false advertising. it never stated that the stuff would be released later.

  • 12.18.2012 8:35 AM PDT

WAIT!!!

I propose an idea... All the features actually were implemented in the game before the Alpha. Now we have limited features, wtf? Threaten to give us everything the devs had or close down their game:]

Oh yeah, and they copy/pasted League of Legend's Terms of Service lol.

[Edited on 12.18.2012 8:37 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 8:36 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: juniorbandit96
WAIT!!!

I propose an idea... All the features actually were implemented in the game before the Alpha. Now we have limited features, wtf? Threaten to give us everything the devs had or close down their game:]

Oh yeah, and they copy/pasted League of Legend's Terms of Service lol.


Yeah lol

Also if they still did that, they need to mention that.

They never say anywhere that the game is in beta or Alpha so new people buying the game do not know what features the game currently has as the game is listed as a completed project.

  • 12.18.2012 8:39 AM PDT


Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.

  • 12.18.2012 8:45 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.


But based on how they treat their customers and everything we can assume this was no error:

Also here is what the DEVELOPER said on Steam:

"Game should not be reported by lying fans of biscuit man! This game is high quaility entertainment and worth all the pennies to buy it. You should play better if you are not winning. Perhaps game is too adult for you? Try something safer or have parent help you by holding onto mouse."

imgur link That is the actual developer

[Edited on 12.18.2012 8:52 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 8:51 AM PDT
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Ken why are you on reddit.

  • 12.18.2012 8:54 AM PDT
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the will to win is the will to destroy


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.


But based on how they treat their customers and everything we can assume this was no error:

Also here is what the DEVELOPER said on Steam:

"Game should not be reported by lying fans of biscuit man! This game is high quaility entertainment and worth all the pennies to buy it. You should play better if you are not winning. Perhaps game is too adult for you? Try something safer or have parent help you by holding onto mouse."

imgur link That is the actual developer
what...a...dick

  • 12.18.2012 8:55 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Seven
Ken why are you on reddit.


I don't have an account but I lurk, sometimes there are some interesting things like this.

  • 12.18.2012 8:56 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: LocknLoader2K8

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.


But based on how they treat their customers and everything we can assume this was no error:

Also here is what the DEVELOPER said on Steam:

"Game should not be reported by lying fans of biscuit man! This game is high quaility entertainment and worth all the pennies to buy it. You should play better if you are not winning. Perhaps game is too adult for you? Try something safer or have parent help you by holding onto mouse."

imgur link That is the actual developer
what...a...dick


Nice thing to say to your customers right?

Oh and this guy really does have terrible grammar. Look on the WarZ forums.

  • 12.18.2012 8:58 AM PDT

Life?
I have the internet and Doctor Who; i don't need a life.

do Steam write that part of the page themselves, or do they just put what they're told to put there?

because that would affect whether they were to blame or the guys who made the game.

  • 12.18.2012 8:59 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: CultMiester4000
do Steam write that part of the page themselves, or do they just put what they're told to put there?

because that would affect whether they were to blame or the guys who made the game.


I believe the company provides the information for Steam. Selling a product with false information is very serious.

  • 12.18.2012 8:59 AM PDT

Do not invite me to your private group. I will not join.


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.


But based on how they treat their customers and everything we can assume this was no error:

Also here is what the DEVELOPER said on Steam:

"Game should not be reported by lying fans of biscuit man! This game is high quaility entertainment and worth all the pennies to buy it. You should play better if you are not winning. Perhaps game is too adult for you? Try something safer or have parent help you by holding onto mouse."

imgur link That is the actual developer


People often fail to realize that they are not some big hot shot developing company.

They are 3rd rate and unprofessional, all together you should never buy their products and suggest that they get themselves castrated.

  • 12.18.2012 9:01 AM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.


But based on how they treat their customers and everything we can assume this was no error:

Also here is what the DEVELOPER said on Steam:

"Game should not be reported by lying fans of biscuit man! This game is high quaility entertainment and worth all the pennies to buy it. You should play better if you are not winning. Perhaps game is too adult for you? Try something safer or have parent help you by holding onto mouse."

imgur link That is the actual developer
Who does he mean by 'biscuit man'? TotalBiscuit?

  • 12.18.2012 9:02 AM PDT

Life?
I have the internet and Doctor Who; i don't need a life.


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: CultMiester4000
do Steam write that part of the page themselves, or do they just put what they're told to put there?

because that would affect whether they were to blame or the guys who made the game.


I believe the company provides the information for Steam. Selling a product with false information is very serious.
but Steam weren't to know.
it's the company's fault, not Steam's.

  • 12.18.2012 9:02 AM PDT

http://i.imgur.com/fsISj.png

WarZ and DayZ are both s**t. Discuss.

  • 12.18.2012 9:02 AM PDT


Posted by: Halloweendog
Who does he mean by 'biscuit man'? TotalBiscuit?

Probably considering what he said about their game.

  • 12.18.2012 9:04 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Frequency99poopy

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary

Posted by: Darkm0d

Posted by: Dr TimothyLeary
Simply editing the description to say something along the lines of "Current and future features" would end this whole mess.


That sort of implies that the studio behind WarZ would have to not be a big group of douches.
Well.. to play devil's advocate for a moment.. Anyone who's had to transfer advertising information, or information in general, between businesses would probably agree that it can be a frustration process. Often times it's a glorified secretary that does the data input, and often times, that individual isn't exactly up to the task. And even if that individual is capable, his or her job is reliant on receiving the proper information to begin with, which passes through many hands on it's way to them.

For all we know, there may have been an incorrect document passed, or liberties taken by the wrong person, that led to all this. Just too difficult to place the blame accurately.


But based on how they treat their customers and everything we can assume this was no error:

Also here is what the DEVELOPER said on Steam:

"Game should not be reported by lying fans of biscuit man! This game is high quaility entertainment and worth all the pennies to buy it. You should play better if you are not winning. Perhaps game is too adult for you? Try something safer or have parent help you by holding onto mouse."

imgur link That is the actual developer


People often fail to realize that they are not some big hot shot developing company.

They are 3rd rate and unprofessional, all together you should never buy their products and suggest that they get themselves castrated.


I have never heard any game developer though say such negative things about their fans

  • 12.18.2012 9:05 AM PDT


Posted by: What Is This1

Posted by: Halloweendog
Who does he mean by 'biscuit man'? TotalBiscuit?

Probably considering what he said about their game.
Oh, okay. I checked by sub box and he made no mention of it. I'm assuming it was on twitter.

  • 12.18.2012 9:06 AM PDT

Do not invite me to your private group. I will not join.

Exactly, anyone willing to represent themselves in that way should loose their business. You accomplish this by not buying their product. No sales means no money and they go under.

  • 12.18.2012 9:07 AM PDT


Posted by: Halloweendog
Oh, okay. I checked by sub box and he made no mention of it. I'm assuming it was on twitter.

Nah he bashed their game a while back in a video.

  • 12.18.2012 9:07 AM PDT