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Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: CharlesBrown33
Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
It's only messy if you're a retard who couldn't be bothered to pay attention.

I believe some people didn't pay enough attention. Ever heard of space magic? Yeah, take that away from the Halo 4 equation and the plot rapidly disintegrates and stops making sense.


Such as?


Such as...... the point-blank nuke blast being somehow averted (despite hearing and seeing it for a split second somehow).

Didact conveniently being able to control INSTANTLY his own guards there to stop people reaching him and him getting out, complete with magic space armor that was just..... what.... lying around?

The Chief and Cortana fire a single missile from a Frigate at one of three CCS cruisers and manage to destroy it. What now team? Oh thank goodness some massive spinning thing has sucked the others in. Phew.

The more I think about H4 the more the storyline seems worse and worse.


1) Cortana teleports him off the ship. You can see they're in space through the hard light shield (which alone are powerful enough to render a nuke useless). She also says "I got you off the ship."

2) The Prometheans are his creation under his control. They were there to prevent the unworthy from awakening the Didact (non-Reclaimers such as Covenant), not to keep him imprisoned forever. Librarian's original intention WAS for him to be awakened, but in the hopes that the Didact will have learned in his Cryptum that humanity was a deserving race.

3) They fired a nuke at the ship, not any old missile. Do you really think it would be in character for John to lay there and take death like that without fighting? You clearly have no idea about his character then if you do.

What's more, the last one isn't space magic, just you misinterpretting the plot.

[Edited on 12.18.2012 1:09 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 1:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: CharlesBrown33
Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
It's only messy if you're a retard who couldn't be bothered to pay attention.

I believe some people didn't pay enough attention. Ever heard of space magic? Yeah, take that away from the Halo 4 equation and the plot rapidly disintegrates and stops making sense.


So Star Wars sucks then?

  • 12.18.2012 1:10 PM PDT

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  • 12.18.2012 1:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) Cortana teleports him off the ship. You can see they're in space through the hard light shield (which alone are powerful enough to render a nuke useless). She also says "I got you off the ship."

2) The Prometheans are his creation under his control. They were there to prevent the unworthy from awakening the Didact (non-Reclaimers such as Covenant), not to keep him imprisoned forever. Librarian's original intention WAS for him to be awakened, but in the hopes that the Didact will have learned in his Cryptum that humanity was a deserving race.

3) They fired a nuke at the ship, not any old missile. Do you really think it would be in character for John to lay there and take death like that without fighting? You clearly have no idea about his character then if you do.

What's more, the last one isn't space magic, just you misinterpretting the plot.


1. I understand thats what 'happens'. I'm saying its implausible, ridiculous and just bad writing. She teleported him away at the millisecond of the detonation, Forerunner teleporters don't work that fast. Plot convenience!

2. The Prometheans were under his control. My point is that if someone is made a prisoner anywhere you normally remove any sort of.... you know.... weapon or device that controls all of the guards instantly. Also probably should remove his flying armor as well and put that in a cupboard somewhere. Again plot convenience strikes.

3. I know it was a nuke and I know the Chief likes a fight. But we've seen the Chief know when to run, for example; Regret, and when not to fight, for example; H4 itself. Firing one nuke at one of 3 ships that could atomise you in a second was just a stupid idiotic thing to do. But again plot convenience saved the day.

The storyline does not stand up to even a bit of scrutiny.

  • 12.18.2012 1:15 PM PDT

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=39477223

An Ancient Eeeeeeevil awakens, you are the super chosen one, etc... Urg.

  • 12.18.2012 1:16 PM PDT

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Genuine question; How did the Chief and Cortana know that Didact was actually called 'Didact'?

  • 12.18.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: finalknight92
An Ancient Eeeeeeevil awakens, you are the super chosen one, etc... Urg.

>An Ancient Evil Awakens
I couldn't stop laughing the first time I saw that on tv.

  • 12.18.2012 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) Cortana teleports him off the ship. You can see they're in space through the hard light shield (which alone are powerful enough to render a nuke useless). She also says "I got you off the ship."

2) The Prometheans are his creation under his control. They were there to prevent the unworthy from awakening the Didact (non-Reclaimers such as Covenant), not to keep him imprisoned forever. Librarian's original intention WAS for him to be awakened, but in the hopes that the Didact will have learned in his Cryptum that humanity was a deserving race.

3) They fired a nuke at the ship, not any old missile. Do you really think it would be in character for John to lay there and take death like that without fighting? You clearly have no idea about his character then if you do.

What's more, the last one isn't space magic, just you misinterpretting the plot.


1. I understand thats what 'happens'. I'm saying its implausible, ridiculous and just bad writing. She teleported him away at the millisecond of the detonation, Forerunner teleporters don't work that fast. Plot convenience!

2. The Prometheans were under his control. My point is that if someone is made a prisoner anywhere you normally remove any sort of.... you know.... weapon or device that controls all of the guards instantly. Also probably should remove his flying armor as well and put that in a cupboard somewhere. Again plot convenience strikes.

3. I know it was a nuke and I know the Chief likes a fight. But we've seen the Chief know when to run, for example; Regret, and when not to fight, for example; H4 itself. Firing one nuke at one of 3 ships that could atomise you in a second was just a stupid idiotic thing to do. But again plot convenience saved the day.

The storyline does not stand up to even a bit of scrutiny.


1) It also is implied she contained the explosion, for the ship is not destroyed until she dies.

Also I'll point out that they do work that fast. If she could freeze the explosion in a hardlight bubble for only a second, that's all she'd need to get John off the ship if she had to at all. AI's can do 5million advanced calculations in less than that time, she'd be able to do the math if anyone could to pull that off.

2) You completely missed the point. The Knights were there for the Didact, they were not there to imprison him. The Cryptum is inescapable, under no circumstances could Didact gotten out of that thing in anyway. He's not even technically conscious while in it.

The Prometheans were there to A) ward off any non-Reclaimers like the Covenant, and B) allow only the worthy through to reach Didact. They were on automatic pilot in that first mission, so they attacked any foreign body, even the Reclaimers. When Didact awoke, they were given a purpose.

3) He knows when to run...when he can. Do tell: where would he have run too? How would he have run? His ship was blown in half with no bridge controls. You say it's idiotic that he die fighting, yet the alternative was literally impossible!


Posted by: flamedude
Genuine question; How did the Chief and Cortana know that Didact was actually called 'Didact'?


The Elites kneel and say "Didact..."

[Edited on 12.18.2012 1:34 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 1:30 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.


Posted by: flamedude
Such as...... the point-blank nuke blast being somehow averted (despite hearing and seeing it for a split second somehow).
It's assumed it was a timed nuke. We got that when Cortana told Chief there wasn't going to be enough time to get out of the Didacts ship before it went off.

Didact conveniently being able to control INSTANTLY his own guards there to stop people reaching him and him getting out, complete with magic space armor that was just..... what.... lying around?Well, I haven't read the books, I kind of just pick things up as I go along, But i'm pretty sure he has total control over HIS own guards, I don't think the head of the Forerunner military would have any problems re-writing military software.

The Chief and Cortana fire a single missile from a Frigate at one of three CCS cruisers and manage to destroy it. What now team? Oh thank goodness some massive spinning thing has sucked the others in. Phew.There shields were conveniently off.

I'm not saying the story was perfect, but you can understand if you pay close enough attention.

  • 12.18.2012 1:32 PM PDT

The package is cool but nothing like Halo truly is.

  • 12.18.2012 1:35 PM PDT
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  • 12.18.2012 1:40 PM PDT

I change shapes just to hide in this place but im still im still an animal...

Because Halo 4 is infintely better.

  • 12.18.2012 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Adamal123
The Chief and Cortana fire a single missile from a Frigate at one of three CCS cruisers and manage to destroy it. What now team? Oh thank goodness some massive spinning thing has sucked the others in. Phew.There shields were conveniently off.


No I get that one nuke can destroy a CCS ship with its shields down. My point was that they only had one nuke and the Covenant had three ships. It's the equivalent of having a gun with one bullet and having three raging lions coming at you. You can shoot one, but then what?

Halo 4 just has terrible writing.

  • 12.18.2012 1:46 PM PDT

Posted by: flamedude
Halo 4 just has terrible writing.

Posted by: flamedude
Halo 4 just has terrible writing.

Posted by: flamedude
Halo 4 just has terrible writing.

Posted by: flamedude
Halo 4 just has terrible writing.

  • 12.18.2012 1:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) Cortana teleports him off the ship. You can see they're in space through the hard light shield (which alone are powerful enough to render a nuke useless). She also says "I got you off the ship."

2) The Prometheans are his creation under his control. They were there to prevent the unworthy from awakening the Didact (non-Reclaimers such as Covenant), not to keep him imprisoned forever. Librarian's original intention WAS for him to be awakened, but in the hopes that the Didact will have learned in his Cryptum that humanity was a deserving race.

3) They fired a nuke at the ship, not any old missile. Do you really think it would be in character for John to lay there and take death like that without fighting? You clearly have no idea about his character then if you do.

What's more, the last one isn't space magic, just you misinterpretting the plot.


1. I understand thats what 'happens'. I'm saying its implausible, ridiculous and just bad writing. She teleported him away at the millisecond of the detonation, Forerunner teleporters don't work that fast. Plot convenience!

2. The Prometheans were under his control. My point is that if someone is made a prisoner anywhere you normally remove any sort of.... you know.... weapon or device that controls all of the guards instantly. Also probably should remove his flying armor as well and put that in a cupboard somewhere. Again plot convenience strikes.

3. I know it was a nuke and I know the Chief likes a fight. But we've seen the Chief know when to run, for example; Regret, and when not to fight, for example; H4 itself. Firing one nuke at one of 3 ships that could atomise you in a second was just a stupid idiotic thing to do. But again plot convenience saved the day.

The storyline does not stand up to even a bit of scrutiny.


1) It also is implied she contained the explosion, for the ship is not destroyed until she dies.

Also I'll point out that they do work that fast. If she could freeze the explosion in a hardlight bubble for only a second, that's all she'd need to get John off the ship if she had to at all. AI's can do 5million advanced calculations in less than that time, she'd be able to do the math if anyone could to pull that off.

2) You completely missed the point. The Knights were there for the Didact, they were not there to imprison him. The Cryptum is inescapable, under no circumstances could Didact gotten out of that thing in anyway. He's not even technically conscious while in it.

The Prometheans were there to A) ward off any non-Reclaimers like the Covenant, and B) allow only the worthy through to reach Didact. They were on automatic pilot in that first mission, so they attacked any foreign body, even the Reclaimers. When Didact awoke, they were given a purpose.

3) He knows when to run...when he can. Do tell: where would he have run too? How would he have run? His ship was blown in half with no bridge controls. You say it's idiotic that he die fighting, yet the alternative was literally impossible!


Posted by: flamedude
Genuine question; How did the Chief and Cortana know that Didact was actually called 'Didact'?


The Elites kneel and say "Didact..."


1. I just don't buy that at all. It's weak storytelling at best, a plot device of convenience to try and inject drama and heroism into the storyline. Complete with ME3 crawling. You know what they should have done? USE THE LIGHT BRIDGE TO TRIGGER IT. Cortana should have raised up from the bridge as Chief was about to detonate the bomb, she says goodbye, teleports him away and then she herself detonates the bomb using her physical lightbridge bodies. No agro.

2. Well that does make more sense...... but I still am not convinced. I don't see why they were still there for him, after all he was placed in the Cryptum by the Librarian right? What happened after that? Did the Librarian think "Well he probably won't ever get out, so I'll leave his guards right here, the ones he can control instantly if he ever did somehow get out. I'll also leave his flying armor here as well. Because why not".

Under scrutiny Halo 4 makes the Forerunners seem like a bunch of naive fools.

I think my point is that Halo 4 doesn't have a tight focused storyline. There are lots of weak moments that stretch credibility and common sense to the limit.

[Edited on 12.18.2012 1:53 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 1:53 PM PDT


Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
It's only messy if you're a retard who couldn't be bothered to pay attention.


thank you. I only visit the flood every so often now, but because of commenters like you I am convinced the reason I hate coming here now is the idiots are posting all the threads.

  • 12.18.2012 1:56 PM PDT
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No point in putting something funny, clever or informative here. Most probably im going to get perma-banned anyway.

True, Halo 4 doesnt have strong writing. But the fricking Package thig is worse, that is absolute trash.

  • 12.18.2012 1:57 PM PDT

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  • 12.18.2012 1:57 PM PDT

You guys are so deluded its not even funny. Since when was ANYTHING in Halo possible? The Gravemind being able to teleport itself onto high-charity wasn't space magic at all was it? Or how about the fact that the whole franchise is based on a ring that can wipe out sentient life exclusively on a galactic scale?!

Jesus you guys are hilarious. Also Halo legends was awful.

  • 12.18.2012 1:57 PM PDT

Your logic makes no sense. If you're in a wrecked ship (or even half of one) with no chance of retreat or extraction, where are you gonna run? If you've got three superior enemy vessels facing you off which can outrun you, outmanoeuvre you and outgun you why wouldn't you do whatever you can do even the odds?

Taking out one of those three ships gives you more chance of survival than keeping your only available weapon to yourself because you can't kill the other two.

What else could he have done?

  • 12.18.2012 1:58 PM PDT

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The question is, why wasn't Halo 4 more like this?

  • 12.18.2012 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: General Dripik
You guys are so deluded its not even funny. Since when was ANYTHING in Halo possible? The Gravemind being able to teleport itself onto high-charity wasn't space magic at all was it? Or how about the fact that the whole franchise is based on a ring that can wipe out sentient life exclusively on a galactic scale?!

Jesus you guys are hilarious. Also Halo legends was awful.


It's called science fiction champ. Not fantasy. There needs to be at least some sort of reasonable explanation for things grounded in science.

Magic is impossible. Ships that fly through space is possible.

Agree about Legends. Except for Origins it was a load of trash.

  • 12.18.2012 1:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: USS Catalyst
Your logic makes no sense. If you're in a wrecked ship (or even half of one) with no chance of retreat or extraction, where are you gonna run? If you've got three superior enemy vessels facing you off which can outrun you, outmanoeuvre you and outgun you why wouldn't you do whatever you can do even the odds?

Taking out one of those three ships gives you more chance of survival than keeping your only available weapon to yourself because you can't kill the other two.

What else could he have done?


Use stealth and infiltrate one of the ships. Stealth is a lot better than screaming "I'm over here and I just killed a bunch of your buddies!".

If the portal hadn't opened up, those two other ships would have instantly destroyed the wreck of the Dawn. Firing that missile was utterly pointless and reduced the Chiefs chances of survival.

But again thats bad writing for you.

  • 12.18.2012 2:02 PM PDT

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  • 12.18.2012 2:03 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
1) Cortana teleports him off the ship. You can see they're in space through the hard light shield (which alone are powerful enough to render a nuke useless). She also says "I got you off the ship."

2) The Prometheans are his creation under his control. They were there to prevent the unworthy from awakening the Didact (non-Reclaimers such as Covenant), not to keep him imprisoned forever. Librarian's original intention WAS for him to be awakened, but in the hopes that the Didact will have learned in his Cryptum that humanity was a deserving race.

3) They fired a nuke at the ship, not any old missile. Do you really think it would be in character for John to lay there and take death like that without fighting? You clearly have no idea about his character then if you do.

What's more, the last one isn't space magic, just you misinterpretting the plot.[/quote]

1. I understand thats what 'happens'. I'm saying its implausible, ridiculous and just bad writing. She teleported him away at the millisecond of the detonation, Forerunner teleporters don't work that fast. Plot convenience!

2. The Prometheans were under his control. My point is that if someone is made a prisoner anywhere you normally remove any sort of.... you know.... weapon or device that controls all of the guards instantly. Also probably should remove his flying armor as well and put that in a cupboard somewhere. Again plot convenience strikes.

3. I know it was a nuke and I know the Chief likes a fight. But we've seen the Chief know when to run, for example; Regret, and when not to fight, for example; H4 itself. Firing one nuke at one of 3 ships that could atomise you in a second was just a stupid idiotic thing to do. But again plot convenience saved the day.

The storyline does not stand up to even a bit of scrutiny.


1) It also is implied she contained the explosion, for the ship is not destroyed until she dies.

Also I'll point out that they do work that fast. If she could freeze the explosion in a hardlight bubble for only a second, that's all she'd need to get John off the ship if she had to at all. AI's can do 5million advanced calculations in less than that time, she'd be able to do the math if anyone could to pull that off.

2) You completely missed the point. The Knights were there for the Didact, they were not there to imprison him. The Cryptum is inescapable, under no circumstances could Didact gotten out of that thing in anyway. He's not even technically conscious while in it.

The Prometheans were there to A) ward off any non-Reclaimers like the Covenant, and B) allow only the worthy through to reach Didact. They were on automatic pilot in that first mission, so they attacked any foreign body, even the Reclaimers. When Didact awoke, they were given a purpose.

3) He knows when to run...when he can. Do tell: where would he have run too? How would he have run? His ship was blown in half with no bridge controls. You say it's idiotic that he die fighting, yet the alternative was literally impossible!


Posted by: flamedude
Genuine question; How did the Chief and Cortana know that Didact was actually called 'Didact'?


The Elites kneel and say "Didact..."


1. I just don't buy that at all. It's weak storytelling at best, a plot device of convenience to try and inject drama and heroism into the storyline. Complete with ME3 crawling. You know what they should have done? USE THE LIGHT BRIDGE TO TRIGGER IT. Cortana should have raised up from the bridge as Chief was about to detonate the bomb, she says goodbye, teleports him away and then she herself detonates the bomb using her physical lightbridge bodies. No agro.

2. Well that does make more sense...... but I still am not convinced. I don't see why they were still there for him, after all he was placed in the Cryptum by the Librarian right? What happened after that? Did the Librarian think "Well he probably won't ever get out, so I'll leave his guards right here, the ones he can control instantly if he ever did somehow get out. I'll also leave his flying armor here as well. Because why not".

Under scrutiny Halo 4 makes the Forerunners seem like a bunch of naive fools.

I think my point is that Halo 4 doesn't have a tight focused storyline. There are lots of weak moments that stretch credibility and common sense to the limit.


1) Sounds more opinion based to me, so whatever.

Though I will say that the Chief had to manually detonate the bomb himself because it was taking too long and too many humans were dying. As Cortana said, she only had enough in her to get John off the ship. If she had gotten him off before he detonated the bomb, millions more humans could have died before the countdoqn blew it up automatically.

2) I already covered this. Librarian wanted Didact to escape, so he could learn from the humans, and the humans from him. From the way she talks in the terminals, he was to be their mentor in a way, and he was, presumably, to learn in his Cryptum (a place of eternal meditation and tranqulity) that the humans were worthy of their legacy.

He was given the tools to either protect them, or train the humans for their Mantle.

  • 12.18.2012 2:03 PM PDT

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