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Subject: Adam Lanza Used a Weapon that LOOKED like an Assault Rifle

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Posted by: destroys u
Posted by: Makko Mace
However the round used is virtually identical to a 5.56 NATO... which is an assault rifle round.

Source.
The important difference between civilian semiautomatic rifles, such as the AR-15 (and variants) and assault rifles is not the round that they fire; the big difference is what happens when you pull the trigger and hold it down. With a semiautomatic firearm, one bullet will be fired; with an assault rifle, it will either be a burst or it will continue to fire until the magazine is empty.

The round fired is irrelevant; the bullets used by many assault rifles are far less powerful than those commonly used in hunting rifles.



Oh gee thanks, I had no idea what an assault rifle was yet was discussing the specifics of two intermediate cartridges.

/unnecessarily nasty sarcasm

  • 12.18.2012 5:20 PM PDT

It matters to the media. They need to get the facts straight. They use the term Assault Rifle to conform to the message they want to send. They do this all the freaking time.

Also I've read sources that say he left the .223 in the back of his car while he kiled with the Glock and Sig Sauer.

  • 12.18.2012 5:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: IRISH 249
Not much of hunter, are you.

A true hunter doesn't hunt with a freaking AR 15.

And yes, he did bring it into the school with him. He killed 20 6 year olds with the one he brought into the school with him.

If you are going to be a complete insensitive ass, at least get your facts straight.



Posted by: crispychicken49
I don't like how people are saying that he used assault rifles. He didn't. THe closest gun he came to use was an Assault Weapon, and the one he had wasn't really all that powerful. It's a hunting weapon. He never even brought the gun inside the school.

An Assault Rifle is a weapon with Burst Fire or Full Automatic Firing capability. Not a Bushmaster .223
I use a mini-14 to go hunting. Hogs are reallllly over populated where I am. People get paid to kill hogs on farms around here. Best way to do it is with something like an ar-15 or a mini-14.

  • 12.18.2012 5:23 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.


Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: crispychicken49
An Assault Rifle is a weapon with Burst Fire or Full Automatic Firing capability. Not a Bushmaster .223


Technically, no. By law, an assault rifle is a firearm with semi-automatic fire mode with a detachable magazine.

Assault weapon =/= assault rifle.

Assault rifle: a weapon firing a rifle caliber round with selective-fire capabilities (burst or fully-automatic); designed to bridge the gap between submachine guns and rifles, merging the rate of fire of a submachine with the range and accuracy of a rifle.

Assault weapon: literally any weapon that is aesthetically similar to military assault rifles or that looks scary, typically because it feeds from a detachable box magazine, instead of an internal magazine, and because it features an adjustable stock or pistol grip. Not functionally similar to an assault rifle.

  • 12.18.2012 5:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace
However the round used is virtually identical to a 5.56 NATO... which is an assault rifle round.

Source.

Lol did you even read past the first few sentences? They look the same but are very different. Again it's like the Fiero-Ferrari I pointed out in another thread. It looks just like a Ferrari, but it functions and performs like a Fiero.

  • 12.18.2012 5:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: crispychicken49
An Assault Rifle is a weapon with Burst Fire or Full Automatic Firing capability. Not a Bushmaster .223


Technically, no. By law, an assault rifle is a firearm with semi-automatic fire mode with a detachable magazine.

Assault weapon =/= assault rifle.

Assault rifle: a weapon firing a rifle caliber round with selective-fire capabilities (burst or fully-automatic); designed to bridge the gap between submachine guns and rifles, merging the rate of fire of a submachine with the range and accuracy of a rifle.

Assault weapon: literally any weapon that is aesthetically similar to military assault rifles or that looks scary, typically because it feeds from a detachable box magazine, instead of an internal magazine, and because it features an adjustable stock or pistol grip. Not functionally similar to an assault rifle.


You have horrible reading comprehension.

  • 12.18.2012 5:24 PM PDT

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Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Posted by: crispychicken49
An Assault Rifle is a weapon with Burst Fire or Full Automatic Firing capability. Not a Bushmaster .223


Technically, no. By law, an assault rifle is a firearm with semi-automatic fire mode with a detachable magazine.

Assault weapon =/= assault rifle.

Assault rifle: a weapon firing a rifle caliber round with selective-fire capabilities (burst or fully-automatic); designed to bridge the gap between submachine guns and rifles, merging the rate of fire of a submachine with the range and accuracy of a rifle.

Assault weapon: literally any weapon that is aesthetically similar to military assault rifles or that looks scary, typically because it feeds from a detachable box magazine, instead of an internal magazine, and because it features an adjustable stock or pistol grip. Not functionally similar to an assault rifle.


You have horrible reading comprehension.
Actually, he's right.

  • 12.18.2012 5:26 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

HERE IS THE DEFINITION OF AN "ASSAULT WEAPON:"

According to the text of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 2007,

The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

1. A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a threaded barrel;
(iii) a pistol grip;
(iv) a forward grip; or
(v) a barrel shroud.

2. a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. Shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

3. A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--
`(i) a second pistol grip;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a barrel shroud; or
`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

4. A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

5. A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).
`(K) A conversion kit.

5. A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.


THE BILL ALSO INCLUDES A SPECIFIC LIST OF WEAPONS IT CLASSIFIES AS ASSAULT WEAPONS.

[Edited on 12.18.2012 5:30 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 5:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

Semi-autos are much more lethal than automatic weapons, I would much rather get shot at with an automatic. I know that wasn't directly relevant to what OP posted, but oh well.

  • 12.18.2012 5:28 PM PDT

Does it even matter? What gun control activists might be trying to push for may have no direct relevance to what the shooter used on the day. The important thing is that innocent children were killed, and certain parties want to push for tighter control of certain types of weapons.

How is that hard to understand?

[Edited on 12.18.2012 5:29 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 5:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Deadlock v3
Does it even matter? What gun control activists might be trying to push more may have no direct relevance to what the shooter used on the day. The important thing is that innocent children were killed, and certain parties want to push for tighter control of certain types of weapons.

How is that hard to understand?
I could kill over fifty children with a knife if I did it quickly.

  • 12.18.2012 5:29 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Rifles chambered in .223 will not effectively feed 5.56. At worst, you have a catastrophic failure, destroying the rifle. Rifles chambered for 5.56 can feed .223 because they're designed and rated for the pressures induced by NATO cartridges.

.223 is not an intermediate cartridge either. 7.62x39 (used in AK-47 variants) and 7.92x33 (used in the Sturmgewehr 44) are intermediate cartridges because they are cut down from the full-powered rifle rounds they were derived from, the 7.62x54R and 7.92x57 respectively. .223 is just a small game hunting round. It wasn't cut down from any other rifle calibers, and it's essentially just a suped up .22 Long Rifle.

Edited because autocorrect made parts unreadable.



Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x

Posted by: Makko Mace
However the round used is virtually identical to a 5.56 NATO... which is an assault rifle round.

Source.

Lol hell no.

First of all, there's no such thing as an "assault rifle round." It's just a regular rifle round.

Secondly, civilian .223 isn't remotely like military 5.56 NATO. Civilian .223 is usually just 55 grain full metal jacket rounds. Military 5.56 is usually 62 or 77 grain, and can be anything from full metal jacket, to armor piercing incendiary, to tracer.

.223 is just a small game hunting round.


Yes there is. An intermediate sized round, smaller than a full battle rifle cartridge. Source.

Average grain is 55 for .223 fmj and 5.56 is most common in 55 and 62

Fancy bullet types aren't relevant here.

Considering you can interchange them in a weapon chambered for .223 I'd say they're pretty damn similar.



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  • 12.18.2012 5:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: crispychicken49

Posted by: Makko Mace
However the round used is virtually identical to a 5.56 NATO... which is an assault rifle round.

Source.

Lol did you even read past the first few sentences? They look the same but are very different. Again it's like the Fiero-Ferrari I pointed out in another thread. It looks just like a Ferrari, but it functions and performs like a Fiero.


Please explain how being the same damn bullet with slightly varying primer makes them vastly different.

Oooh look another source!

If I'm wrong get yourself a damn source.

  • 12.18.2012 5:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: destroys u
Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Posted by: crispychicken49
An Assault Rifle is a weapon with Burst Fire or Full Automatic Firing capability. Not a Bushmaster .223


Technically, no. By law, an assault rifle is a firearm with semi-automatic fire mode with a detachable magazine.

Assault weapon =/= assault rifle.

Assault rifle: a weapon firing a rifle caliber round with selective-fire capabilities (burst or fully-automatic); designed to bridge the gap between submachine guns and rifles, merging the rate of fire of a submachine with the range and accuracy of a rifle.

Assault weapon: literally any weapon that is aesthetically similar to military assault rifles or that looks scary, typically because it feeds from a detachable box magazine, instead of an internal magazine, and because it features an adjustable stock or pistol grip. Not functionally similar to an assault rifle.


You have horrible reading comprehension.
Actually, he's right.


Yes he's right, but it had nothing to do with what those two were discussing: The definition of Assault RIFLE.

  • 12.18.2012 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
Semi-autos are much more lethal than automatic weapons, I would much rather get shot at with an automatic. I know that wasn't directly relevant to what OP posted, but oh well.
Really? So between having one bullet shot at you or 10 identical bullets being shot at you, you'd rather the automatic weapon?

  • 12.18.2012 5:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Rifles chambered in .223 will not effectively feed 5.56. At worst, you have a catastrophic failure, destroying the rifle. Rifles chambered for 5.56 can feed .223 because they're designed and rated for the pressures induced by NATO cartridges.

.223 is just an intermediate cartridge either. 7.62x39 (used is AK-47 variants) and 7.92x33 (used in the Sturmgewehr 44) are intermediate cartridges because they are cut down from the full-powered rifle rounds they were derived from, the 7.62x54R and 7.92x57 respectively. .223 is just a small game hunting round. It wasn't cut down from any other rifle calibers, and IRS essentially just a suped up .22 Long Rifle.



Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x

Posted by: Makko Mace
However the round used is virtually identical to a 5.56 NATO... which is an assault rifle round.

Source.

Lol hell no.

First of all, there's no such thing as an "assault rifle round." It's just a regular rifle round.

Secondly, civilian .223 isn't remotely like military 5.56 NATO. Civilian .223 is usually just 55 grain full metal jacket rounds. Military 5.56 is usually 62 or 77 grain, and can be anything from full metal jacket, to armor piercing incendiary, to tracer.

.223 is just a small game hunting round.


Yes there is. An intermediate sized round, smaller than a full battle rifle cartridge. Source.

Average grain is 55 for .223 fmj and 5.56 is most common in 55 and 62

Fancy bullet types aren't relevant here.

Considering you can interchange them in a weapon chambered for .223 I'd say they're pretty damn similar.



I already edited that several minutes before you posted...

Then you seem to have some irrelevancies about cut down cartridges and then say because of that; something else?

Please make a coherent point.

  • 12.18.2012 5:33 PM PDT

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Didn't he also use an AR-15? Which is probably single fire as well.

bushmaster is a part of the AR family

  • 12.18.2012 5:34 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

I'm on an iPod, so posting takes several minutes and autocorrect screws up.

Fixed now.
Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Rifles chambered in .223 will not effectively feed 5.56. At worst, you have a catastrophic failure, destroying the rifle. Rifles chambered for 5.56 can feed .223 because they're designed and rated for the pressures induced by NATO cartridges.

.223 is not an intermediate cartridge either. 7.62x39 (used in AK-47 variants) and 7.92x33 (used in the Sturmgewehr 44) are intermediate cartridges because they are cut down from the full-powered rifle rounds they were derived from, the 7.62x54R and 7.92x57 respectively. .223 is just a small game hunting round. It wasn't cut down from any other rifle calibers, and it's essentially just a suped up .22 Long Rifle.



Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x

Posted by: Makko Mace
However the round used is virtually identical to a 5.56 NATO... which is an assault rifle round.

Source.

Lol hell no.

First of all, there's no such thing as an "assault rifle round." It's just a regular rifle round.

Secondly, civilian .223 isn't remotely like military 5.56 NATO. Civilian .223 is usually just 55 grain full metal jacket rounds. Military 5.56 is usually 62 or 77 grain, and can be anything from full metal jacket, to armor piercing incendiary, to tracer.

.223 is just a small game hunting round.


Yes there is. An intermediate sized round, smaller than a full battle rifle cartridge. Source.

Average grain is 55 for .223 fmj and 5.56 is most common in 55 and 62

Fancy bullet types aren't relevant here.

Considering you can interchange them in a weapon chambered for .223 I'd say they're pretty damn similar.



I already edited that several minutes before you posted...

Then you seem to have some irrelevancies about cut down cartridges and then say because of that; something else?

Please make a coherent point.


[Edited on 12.18.2012 5:40 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 5:35 PM PDT

心の中に弱い風が吹いています。

Nothing like an AR-15 to brighten your day.

  • 12.18.2012 5:38 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

This a partial list of assault weapons on the 2007 Federal Assault Weapons ban.

I think we can agree that many, but not all, of the "assault weapons" listed would also classify as an "assault rifle".

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(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
(ii) AR-10;
(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
(iv) AR70;
(v) Calico Liberty;
(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
(xi) M1 Carbine;
(xii) Saiga;
(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xv) SLG 95;
(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
(xvii) Steyr AUG;
(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
(xix) Tavor;
(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).


[Edited on 12.18.2012 5:40 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 5:39 PM PDT

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For years, Bushmaster has been marketing itself to testosterone-fueled male customers, issuing "man cards" to customers who want to be "card carrying men." Now, Lehane and others said the company is facing the prospect of being branded the weapon of choice for mass killers. The Newtown, Connecticut shooting marked the fourth time a Bushmaster has been implicated in a mass shooting since 1999, including the Beltway sniper case that left 10 dead and three more wounded.

Assault weapon.... assault rifle.... whatever. That's just semantics and technical distinctions.

  • 12.18.2012 5:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
This a list of assault weapons on the 2007 Federal Assault Weapons ban.

I think we can agree that many, but not all, of the "assault weapons" listed would also classify as an "assault rifle".

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(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
(ii) AR-10;
(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
(iv) AR70;
(v) Calico Liberty;
(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
(xi) M1 Carbine;
(xii) Saiga;
(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xv) SLG 95;
(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
(xvii) Steyr AUG;
(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
(xix) Tavor;
(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).


And here is a funcionally identical gun that does not fall under the ban

lols

Edit: may have misread your post

[Edited on 12.18.2012 5:42 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 5:41 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
This a list of assault weapons on the 2007 Federal Assault Weapons ban.

I think we can agree that many, but not all, of the "assault weapons" listed would also classify as an "assault rifle".

-----------
(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
(ii) AR-10;
(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
(iv) AR70;
(v) Calico Liberty;
(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
(xi) M1 Carbine;
(xii) Saiga;
(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xv) SLG 95;
(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
(xvii) Steyr AUG;
(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
(xix) Tavor;
(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).


And here is a funcionally identical gun that does not fall under the ban

lols


Yes it does.

xviii

  • 12.18.2012 5:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Co M4N
Does it matter what he used? He still killed inocent people.


Not just innocent people but small children. So evil.

  • 12.18.2012 5:52 PM PDT

Elementary school, that's that shi.t I don't like! Bang bang!

  • 12.18.2012 6:01 PM PDT