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Subject: Raiden will never be better than Snake..

A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

And from FOX, two phantoms were born.

....Or will he?

I know most people who played MGS2 hated Raiden and I cans ee why

I didn't hate him really, he seemed relatable.

Then MGS4 came around and he got a complete robo-overhaul.

Do you still hate him, or maybe even hate him more?

Or is he cool.

  • 12.19.2012 8:34 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Apples to oranges friend, apples to oranges. Raiden was never ment to be a replacement for Snake, the two are about as different as they are similar, even moreso since MGS4.

  • 12.19.2012 8:36 AM PDT

Per Audacia Ad Astra

I have always preferred Raiden to Snake.

  • 12.19.2012 8:36 AM PDT
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Snake's the man.

The next MGS game looks rubbish. More like DmC on steroids than a MGS game.

  • 12.19.2012 8:39 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Posted by: Ason Unique
The next MGS game looks rubbish. More like DmC on steroids than a MGS game.

If you are talking about Revengance (or whatever it's titled now), that was the point. You cannot really display how powerful Raiden is from a gameplay perspective with typical MGS gameplay, so it was put in the hands of someone who can do over-the-top action in their sleep.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 8:41 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 8:40 AM PDT

A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

And from FOX, two phantoms were born.


Posted by: Ason Unique
Snake's the man.

The next MGS game looks rubbish. More like DmC on steroids than a MGS game.


Maybe because it's not MGS?

It was originally Metal Gear Solid: Rising and being developed by Kojima, but it was in development hell so they gave it to Platinum games and it got remodeled.

I love what they've done, and hey there's still Ground Zeroes if you want more traditional MGS.

  • 12.19.2012 8:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ason Unique
Snake's the man.

The next MGS game looks rubbish. More like DmC on steroids than a MGS game.


Spin - off title made by a different studio hence Metal Gear Rising rather than Metal Gear Solid.

Anyway I'll never like Raiden more than Snake or Big Boss as a character but I think it's worth keeping in mind that MGS2 demonstrates that Raiden surpasses snake and becomes the better soldier/fighter or is at least moulded to be on par with him. I really don't think he was meant to go all Gray Fox in order to show that he was already kind of a badass, bit shallow on behalf of fans to dismiss him as a whiny, annoying character.

  • 12.19.2012 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX


I think the DmC games are terrible (repetitive button mashers) so that's why I'm unhappy with what they've done with MGR: Revengeance.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 8:50 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 8:46 AM PDT


Posted by: Ason Unique
Snake's the man.

The next MGS game looks rubbish. More like DmC on steroids than a MGS game.

Ground Zeroes/Phantom Pain/Kojima being himself doesn't really look like DMC though.

And if you're talking about Rising, well, it's an action game. It's not really like DMC either, it's closer to Ninja Gaiden than anything else, and even so, it's not all that similar to that either. It's definitely a breath of fresh air in the stylish-action genre. If you didn't want a full-on action game, blame KojiPro for being incompetent.

I'm not exactly a big Metal Gear fan, so I don't really have any beefs with Raiden. Snake is cooler, but he's okay too.

  • 12.19.2012 8:48 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"


Posted by: Ason Unique

Posted by: SweetTRIX

I think the DmC games are terrible (repetitive button mashers) so that's why I'm unhappy with what they've done with MGR: Revengeance.

Their not for everyone, but you cannot deny that they are action frenzies and that is what they wanted for Raiden. Kojima handed it off because what they wanted to accomplish doesn't really fit in their little world from a gameplay perspective. Look at what Raiden is capable of in the MGS4 cinematics, if you want to deliver that kind of thing gameplay wise you have to change the face of the game.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 8:49 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 8:48 AM PDT

It wasn't so much that I hated Raiden but that I wanted to play as Snake. After 3 games as Snake, to play as a different character for the bulk of the game irritated the hell out of me.

  • 12.19.2012 8:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ason Unique

Posted by: SweetTRIX


I think the DmC games are terrible (repetitive button mashers) so that's why I'm unhappy with what they've done with MGR: Revengeance.


Then you don't know DMC, it's only mindless button mashing if you don't make know how to make proper use of it's awesome combat. Combos, style switching, weapon switching etc. It's fun


ps: DMC

  • 12.19.2012 9:02 AM PDT
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ps: DMC



I think you'll find that nowadays it's stylised as DmC brah.

The DmC games are just button mashers too. That doesn't mean the only way to play them is by button mashing but that you can be just as successfull by mashing buttons.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 9:11 AM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 9:10 AM PDT
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They should just make an HLG playlist then you guys can hide against each other and see how much fun it is.

Raiden will never be better than Snake.

  • 12.19.2012 10:05 AM PDT
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And Solid Snake will never be better than Snake Plissken... The impostor!

  • 12.19.2012 10:11 AM PDT

I like Raiden, he's not as awesome as Snake or Big Boss, but he's a good character nonetheless.

  • 12.19.2012 10:39 AM PDT

FYI Raiden was included in MGS2 because Kojima had a focus group of teenage girls said that Snake was a "dumb old man".

  • 12.19.2012 12:29 PM PDT

Sometimes I am tempted to quit gaming. I can no longer play without seeing ponyphags, horrendously bad teammates and mexicans.

Gaming community, I want you to know that you suck.

Raiden is the best Staff Captain on the planet.

  • 12.19.2012 12:30 PM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
-- Direct Control, BAMF

Posted by: Palien90
FYI Raiden was included in MGS2 because Kojima had a focus group of teenage girls said that Snake was a "dumb old man".

It's not working. I can't get mad at this when there's a guy who said DMC is just a button masher.

  • 12.19.2012 12:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ason Unique

Posted by: Reggae Panda

ps: DMC



I think you'll find that nowadays it's stylised as DmC brah.

Brah.

Brah.

Brah.

That's the new Ninja Theory DMC. It has all the hallmarks for a DMC but it's technically non-canon.

The DmC games are just button mashers too.
Fighters are button mashers too.

If you play on Easy.

To succeed at the game, to master it at it's highest levels, to get that SSS rank, you can't just mash buttons. The game has depth to it, you have to explore it.

OT: People "hate" Raiden because of the switcheroo pulled in MGS2. And the naked cartwheels.

Oh god.

Naked man cartwheels...

Also OT: Revengence looks like it's going to be the utter bomb.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 12:35 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 12:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ason Unique

*hating Platinum Games creation*

...you, I don't like you.

  • 12.19.2012 12:40 PM PDT

Honestly, this must be a joke. Child, listen, stop trying to defend yourself because clearly you are incapable of it. The only idiot in this thread is yourself, and trust me, it is obvious. So, how about you do as I asked earlier and log off, mommy and daddy wouldn't want you staying up this late.
-- Direct Control, BAMF

Posted by: Unit 076
Posted by: Ason Unique

*hating Platinum Games creation*

...you, I don't like you.

Maybe if we try hard enough, we can hate him out of existence.

  • 12.19.2012 12:41 PM PDT


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Posted by: Palien90
FYI Raiden was included in MGS2 because Kojima had a focus group of teenage girls said that Snake was a "dumb old man".

It's not working. I can't get mad at this when there's a guy who said DMC is just a button masher.

I'm more amazed that he used DmC as an example for the series.

That would be like saying the whole series is awful because you played DMC2.

  • 12.19.2012 12:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: Unit 076
Posted by: Ason Unique

*hating Platinum Games creation*

...you, I don't like you.

Maybe if we try hard enough, we can hate him out of existence.


Harsh bro.

  • 12.19.2012 12:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: PR1M3 R1B

Posted by: H0gbinlad3n
Posted by: Palien90
FYI Raiden was included in MGS2 because Kojima had a focus group of teenage girls said that Snake was a "dumb old man".

It's not working. I can't get mad at this when there's a guy who said DMC is just a button masher.

I'm more amazed that he used DmC as an example for the series.

That would be like saying the whole series is awful because you played DMC2.

Well...

DMC2 is more of a steaming pile of -blam!- than Ninja Gaiden 3.

  • 12.19.2012 1:03 PM PDT

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