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This guy in my physics class likes to pretend he knows what he is talking about. He also recently posted several paragraphs talking about random things dealing with physics that I don't believe he fully understands. I myself am ignorant about physics but I was hoping that if I posted a couple things that he has said that someone will be able to tell me what is wrong or correct so I can call him out.

First off in class he said that "the higgs boson particle is an atom they found that proved string theory."

Then later today he posted this paragraph:
"One thing I love about the universe is that black holes can only be observed by observing the things around them and not the black hole specifically. to think that not even light the fastest known thing in the universe, other then quantum entanglement, cannot escape the black holes event horizon."

  • 12.19.2012 2:24 PM PDT

I dunno if the Higgs Boson one is true (Not its existence but that it proved string theory), but the black hole one is.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 2:26 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 2:25 PM PDT

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I dunno if the Higgs Boson one is true, but the black hole one is.

  • 12.19.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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The Higgs Boson is false. Atoms are way bigger than the Boson.

  • 12.19.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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  • 12.19.2012 2:28 PM PDT
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The Higgs Boson is not an atom, to my knowledge. The string theory thing, I don't know.

Something I've just randomly wondered: what happens if an entangled particle falls into a black hole?

[Edited on 12.19.2012 2:36 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 2:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: lazerlemon


First off in class he said that "the higgs boson particle is an atom they found that proved string theory."

It's not an atom. It is a particle smaller than an atom. He only reads headlines, OP.

  • 12.19.2012 2:28 PM PDT

Congratulations. You're literate!

The Higgs Boson is not an atom; it's a subatomic particle.

  • 12.19.2012 2:29 PM PDT
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Like said before, Higgs Boson is smaller than an atom.

  • 12.19.2012 2:30 PM PDT

I'm not sure they confirmed the discovery of the Higgs-Boson, but he's got the black hole thing right.

  • 12.19.2012 2:30 PM PDT

The higgs boson is not an atom, it's a boson (funnily enough) so that's bull-blam!-. It has nothing to do with proving string theory, its discovery was monumental because it has essentially completed the standard model.

The black hold remark is sort of correct, except for the quantum entanglement part tacked on at the end. That was only said because he's a smartass, no other reason for it.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 2:36 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Thunderjam0
The Higgs Boson is false. Atoms are way bigger than the Boson.
It also doesn't prove string theory. The existence of the Higgs boson provides an explanation for how particles acquire mass, and was correctly predicted to exist by the standard model of particle physics.

  • 12.19.2012 2:32 PM PDT

Lol the Higgs Boson isn't an atom. It's a Boson.

  • 12.19.2012 2:32 PM PDT

The Higgs Boson isn't an atom...it's a boson, hence the name. It also does not prove String theory. It's a particle predicted by the Standard Model. And they didn't exactly find it at CERN, they found a particle that fits its description. I don't have a particularly good grasp on particle physics though.

Also, about black holes, yes, we can't observe them. We predict that they contain a singularity at their center, but all we can see is their event horizon, and we describe them based on their mass, rotation, and charge.

Also, it seems like he may not understand what quantum entanglement is...

  • 12.19.2012 2:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: lazerlemon
First off in class he said that "the higgs boson particle is an atom they found that proved string theory."

He's a full-blown retard. That's utterly laughable. It's the scientific equivalent of calling Africa and Europe countries. Laugh him out the room.

  • 12.19.2012 2:34 PM PDT

Now sit down and pull your pants back up.

1. The Higgs Boson could or could not prove String Theory, it has yet to be discovered and is more-so in the theoretical physics category. For your friend to say he has a cap on what it does and what it does and does not prove is either bull -blam!- or he needs to go give a lecture to the people running the Large Hadron Collider.

2. Your friends is rather arbitrary on the second bit. Can we see darkness amongst darkness, no. So he is right in saying that only the hole's surroundings suggest the anomaly. As of right now we know very little about black holes, to say that everything up to light is sucked in is very broad and does not leave much speculation for what discoveries lie ahead. Im sure something will be discovered about black holes which will invalidate your friend's over-arching statement.

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  • 12.19.2012 2:34 PM PDT

Also, Quantum Entanglement signals don't 'travel', because there's no speed involved. They just go. So yeah, the speed of light is still the speed limit.

  • 12.19.2012 2:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Also, Quantum Entanglement signals don't 'travel', because there's no speed involved. They just go. So yeah, the speed of light is still the speed limit.
Quantum entanglement = information traveling instantaneously. Might as well be magic.

  • 12.19.2012 2:36 PM PDT


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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Also, Quantum Entanglement signals don't 'travel', because there's no speed involved. They just go. So yeah, the speed of light is still the speed limit.
Quantum entanglement = information traveling instantaneously. Might as well be magic.
No external information is actually passed, just the state of the particle (Extremely non-intuitive)

  • 12.19.2012 2:37 PM PDT


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Also, Quantum Entanglement signals don't 'travel', because there's no speed involved. They just go. So yeah, the speed of light is still the speed limit.
Quantum entanglement = information traveling instantaneously. Might as well be magic.
Pretty much. I think most people intuitively think of them as behaving the same way

  • 12.19.2012 2:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
Also, Quantum Entanglement signals don't 'travel', because there's no speed involved. They just go. So yeah, the speed of light is still the speed limit.
Quantum entanglement = information traveling instantaneously. Might as well be magic.
No external information is actually passed, just the state of the particle (Extremely non-intuitive)
Exactly. But if you assign external information to the state of the particle, you could build one hell of a computer.

  • 12.19.2012 2:39 PM PDT

The higgs-boson is not an atom but a subatomic particle and Black Holes can only be detected by radiation and light trying to escape them.

  • 12.19.2012 2:42 PM PDT

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Higgs boson didn't prove string theory and isn't an atom.
Black hole is right, but idk why he compared the speed of light to that of entanglement.
I really hope his grammar was better than that.

  • 12.19.2012 2:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: lazerlemon
First off in class he said that "the higgs boson particle is an atom they found that proved string theory."

Higgs boson is, in theory, a particle that gives other particles mass. It is much smaller than an atom. The discovery (still not official) does support (does not prove) the standard model and string theory that predicted it to be found where it was found.


"One thing I love about the universe is that black holes can only be observed by observing the things around them and not the black hole specifically. to think that not even light the fastest known thing in the universe, other then quantum entanglement, cannot escape the black holes event horizon."

Pretty accurate

  • 12.19.2012 3:04 PM PDT

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The first bit just sounds like he's skim read a science article and is making half of it up because it's completely wrong.

In the second one he is almost certainly just name dropping quantum entanglement to sounds smart, to actually understand it you need to be in a university physics course for a couple of years. The thing about light not escaping it is true but it's not exactly impressive knowledge.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 3:06 PM PST]

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