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Subject: Are you... Are you -blam!- kidding me?

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***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

Darwin wrote this:

"We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
birds and beasts of prey..."

Perhaps, you are doing what you were meant to do. Your human
mentality screams for vengeance and thrives on the violence
that you say you can hardly endure. Your father told you as a
child to always fight with honor, but to always fight. Do you
care about honor, or do you use honor as an excuse? An excuse
to exist in a violent world.

Organic beings are constantly fighting for life. Every
breath, every motion brings you one instant closer to your
death. With that kind of heritage and destiny, how can you
deny yourself? How can you expect yourself to give up
violence?

It is your nature.

Do you feel free?
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  • 12.19.2012 3:52 PM PDT
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I'm listeni- Oh wait I don't give a -blam!- what you have to say.

He's right.

Argue it all you want, it's pretty obvious that our daily exposure to vicarious violence strongly desensitizes us to what should rightfully be seen as heinous, horrifying acts. I don't think you can directly blame the gaming industry for real world violence but the influence is definitely there, subconscious or otherwise.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 3:54 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 3:53 PM PDT

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  • 12.19.2012 3:53 PM PDT

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Absolutely correct, OP.

Additionally, I cannot WAIT for the inevitable Zombie Apocalypse/Alien Invasion! These people will be begging for our help!

  • 12.19.2012 3:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Frasier Crane
He's right.

Argue it all you want, it's pretty obvious that our daily exposure to vicarious violence strongly desensitizes us to what should rightfully be seen as heinous, horrifying acts. I don't think you can directly blame the gaming industry for real world violence but the influence is definitely there, subconscious or otherwise.


Where's the evidence? Where's the evidence that in a normal human being (normal as in not suffering from mental/physical limitations or hindrances) that these games compel people or influence them to commit crimes?

We aren't sensitive to the heinous crimes caused in violent video games because we know that what is happening is not real. Any gamer that does not suffer from any mental or physical issues and has been raised well by parents will tell you that while they may play violent video games they'll never actually go out and commit crimes. And if there are I've yet to find any.

  • 12.19.2012 4:03 PM PDT

Video games aren't making people violent. They're just desensitizing people to that kind of behavior.

  • 12.19.2012 4:05 PM PDT

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Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Study shows no relation between video game spending and gun-related murders.

  • 12.19.2012 4:08 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

I hope that guy learns sometime that you need parental consent to buy an M-Rated game.

Also, I would very much like to know where the idea that "video games cause violence" came from.

  • 12.19.2012 4:10 PM PDT


Posted by: IcyWind
Video games aren't making people violent. They're just desensitizing people to that kind of behavior.


What do you mean by "desensitizing people to that kind of behavior". Are you implying that because of violent video games when crime occurs the general reaction of these gamers is less dramatic as a result of playing violent video games, or something else?

  • 12.19.2012 4:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Blacknight159

Posted by: IcyWind
Video games aren't making people violent. They're just desensitizing people to that kind of behavior.


What do you mean by "desensitizing people to that kind of behavior". Are you implying that because of violent video games when crime occurs the general reaction of these gamers is less dramatic as a result of playing violent video games, or something else?


In some cases, I believe so.

What I was getting at is, let's take MW2 for example. You have the level where you shoot people in an airport. If someone were to play this level again and again, and already has some form of mental illness, I'm starting to think that it would make the person think it's not that bad, what's going on.

Of course, this just a thought. I have no idea to back it up.

  • 12.19.2012 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Wikked Navajoe

Also, I would very much like to know where the idea that "video games cause violence" came from.


Older men and women who have never touched video games in their entire lives. They press this belief on the ignorant when crime occurs, blaming video games for it whenever they get the chance. So the murderer was a troubled, mentally unstable psychopath? hmm....... so does he play violent video games? Oh he does? ZOMG IT WAS VIDEO GAEMS DAT MADE HIM KILL TEH PEEPL!!!

  • 12.19.2012 4:14 PM PDT
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  • 12.19.2012 4:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: destroys u
Study shows no relation between video game spending and gun-related murders.

Obviously. The logical response here is that games like COD and GTA are hugely popular outside of the United States. Places like Canada, Australia, Europe, and Japan all eat up the likes of GTA and don't go on regular shooting massacres.

What you're seeing here are legislators who benefit from loose gun control ideology through the likes of the NRA scurrying to find a scapegoat.

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I'm listeni- Oh wait I don't give a -blam!- what you have to say.


Posted by: Blacknight159

Posted by: Frasier Crane
He's right.

Argue it all you want, it's pretty obvious that our daily exposure to vicarious violence strongly desensitizes us to what should rightfully be seen as heinous, horrifying acts. I don't think you can directly blame the gaming industry for real world violence but the influence is definitely there, subconscious or otherwise.


Where's the evidence? Where's the evidence that in a normal human being (normal as in not suffering from mental/physical limitations or hindrances) that these games compel people or influence them to commit crimes?

We aren't sensitive to the heinous crimes caused in violent video games because we know that what is happening is not real. Any gamer that does not suffer from any mental or physical issues and has been raised well by parents will tell you that while they may play violent video games they'll never actually go out and commit crimes. And if there are I've yet to find any.
I've actually seen some headlines on the news about teens going out and recreating crimes they did on Grand Theft Auto. But that's beside the point.

I find it sad that you need 'evidence' for something so obvious, but even without using common sense the proof is all around us. Our culture has become desensitized to plethoras of violence, sex, and drugs over the last 20-30 years. Constant exposure to things like this ingrains a sense of societal acceptance towards them. You don't understand the power of influence the media has over people these days, especially considering they control almost everything we do.

  • 12.19.2012 4:17 PM PDT

Meepzoid

Video games need to be left alone. Seriously does anyone else get pissed at Video games always getting the flack?

Seriously, video games are not the problem, after all, video games are what people call, luxury items. Not everyone can afford video games and etc, but, ironically, people forget that Movies and most shows now a days have more violence then most video games.

I'm pretty sure every new episode of Family Guy has someone shot with a gun or something violent of that manner/matter.

  • 12.19.2012 4:17 PM PDT
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  • 12.19.2012 4:17 PM PDT


Posted by: IcyWind

Posted by: Blacknight159

Posted by: IcyWind
Video games aren't making people violent. They're just desensitizing people to that kind of behavior.


What do you mean by "desensitizing people to that kind of behavior". Are you implying that because of violent video games when crime occurs the general reaction of these gamers is less dramatic as a result of playing violent video games, or something else?


In some cases, I believe so.

What I was getting at is, let's take MW2 for example. You have the level where you shoot people in an airport. If someone were to play this level again and again, and already has some form of mental illness, I'm starting to think that it would make the person think it's not that bad, what's going on.

Of course, this just a thought. I have no idea to back it up.


But let me ask you this, who let this mentally ill person play these games? Was there any one to monitor what he played? Was there anyone there to try and teach that person right from wrong/reality from fantasy? Mental illness is diagnosed from an early age. Parents need to be more cautious if their kid suffers from one. And even if somehow, for some reason the person was never diagnosed until he was an adult, it's not the fault of the video game developers, it's the fault of not only the parents, but the doctors who could not diagnose him.

  • 12.19.2012 4:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Blacknight159

But let me ask you this, who let this mentally ill person play these games? Was there any one to monitor what he played? Was there anyone there to try and teach that person right from wrong/reality from fantasy? Mental illness is diagnosed from an early age. Parents need to be more cautious if their kid suffers from one. And even if somehow, for some reason the person was never diagnosed until he was an adult, it's not the fault of the video game developers, it's the fault of not only the parents, but the doctors who could not diagnose him.


Still, game stores can't stop you from buying one. If you're older than 17 (Or look it with a fake ID), they'll sell the game to you. They don't care if you're a sane guy or not.

Parenting can only go so far when you get that old.

  • 12.19.2012 4:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: shadowknight566
The media blaming video games for the recent violent killings? What a surprise!

  • 12.19.2012 4:29 PM PDT
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When are people going to realize guns, video games, etc aren't the problem? Everybody who has ever done a shooting does a conscious decision to do so. That's them choosing to do it. The problem isn't guns, video games, or whatever else. The problem is the person choosing to do so when there was plenty of better choices.

It comes down to people not trying to help others when we should help others. That's the problem we face. People need to stop being so selfish and help their fellow man/woman.

People are putting the blame on something else when ultimately the blame is on them. This is what happens when people do that.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 4:32 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 4:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Frasier Crane

Posted by: Blacknight159

Posted by: Frasier Crane
He's right.

Argue it all you want, it's pretty obvious that our daily exposure to vicarious violence strongly desensitizes us to what should rightfully be seen as heinous, horrifying acts. I don't think you can directly blame the gaming industry for real world violence but the influence is definitely there, subconscious or otherwise.


Where's the evidence? Where's the evidence that in a normal human being (normal as in not suffering from mental/physical limitations or hindrances) that these games compel people or influence them to commit crimes?

We aren't sensitive to the heinous crimes caused in violent video games because we know that what is happening is not real. Any gamer that does not suffer from any mental or physical issues and has been raised well by parents will tell you that while they may play violent video games they'll never actually go out and commit crimes. And if there are I've yet to find any.
I've actually seen some headlines on the news about teens going out and recreating crimes they did on Grand Theft Auto. But that's beside the point.

I find it sad that you need 'evidence' for something so obvious, but even without using common sense the proof is all around us. Our culture has become desensitized to plethoras of violence, sex, and drugs over the last 20-30 years. Constant exposure to things like this ingrains a sense of societal acceptance towards them. You don't understand the power of influence the media has over people these days, especially considering they control almost everything we do.


You're making a claim, and therefore evidence is required to support it, otherwise it is completely baseless. Show me the headlines, and again, show me the studies, once I see some credible evidence then I might believe you.

You're migrating away from what this is about: video games. I'm arguing against the argument that it is the responsibility of the game devs to monitor what kids play, and the statement that video games can directly cause violence in normal people. Yes, I can agree that video games can compel those with mental illness to commit crime, but then again I argue that it's still not the fault of video games nor the people that make them. Rather it's the fault of the parents and sadly, genetics.

Even if what you're saying is true, it's still the responsibility of parents. Take me for an example. I, like everybody else (at least in "civilized" society or whatever you want to call it) am exposed to media and culture. Yet I've been raised so that I can clearly discern right from wrong and reality from fantasy. I play violent video games all the time, yet I'd never even consider, not even for a moment, to commit a crime. I've been taught not to do drugs, not to hurt/steal/-blam!-/murder etc, and that what I do in a video game is not real and it's not okay to do such things in real life. I wouldn't necessarily call myself a "role model" child that all other parents should model their kids after, but I'd say that my parents raised me pretty well.

People aren't mindless drones who can't think or act by themselves. It's just that their actions are influenced by things in their childhoods, chiefly how their parents raised them.

  • 12.19.2012 4:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: DatDudeBV
It's the game company's fault. They really should be making less violent video games.

Do we really need games where we kill?

Funny how you're always against the flood's general opinion.

  • 12.19.2012 4:44 PM PDT

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I know it's been said but CHILDREN should not play games that are VIOLENT because they are for ADULTS.

If kids grow to be evil little phychopaths, it's the parents who are at fault

  • 12.19.2012 4:46 PM PDT

Please stop complaining about the 'death of a loved one' it's my job. They probably deserved it anyways. Here's a warning, if you keep making pentagrams out of the neighbors livestock I will personally come to your house and kill everyone you love. Now leave me alone, I got to get back to work.
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Wow, I don't like this guy. He'll be getting coal in his stocking.

  • 12.19.2012 4:47 PM PDT

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