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Posted by: abelsinh

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Anyway, it's god to know the Mexican police have their priorities straight. God forbid they release the Marine back to US custody and they go after the cartels. That would be too much work.


Are you saying that a couple of individuals (It doesn't care if they're marines in their country, in Mexico they're just a couple of individuals) carrying a gun, are in any way, comparable to a fully organized drug cartel?


Uhhh That is getting me so pissed right now.

America has mafia and gangs and all that -blam!- walking around right now, well thats the same -blam!- thing as a drug cartel. -blam!- it dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

So, our politicians will send our boys overseas to fight the enemy, but won't try to save one of our boys being held 10 miles outside the US border? Politics are so unbelievably retarded.

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Let them rot.

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Posted by: abelsinh

Posted by: Murcielago00
Anyway, it's god to know the Mexican police have their priorities straight. God forbid they release the Marine back to US custody and they go after the cartels. That would be too much work.


Are you saying that a couple of individuals (It doesn't care if they're marines in their country, in Mexico they're just a couple of individuals) carrying a gun, are in any way, comparable to a fully organized drug cartel?


Uhhh That is getting me so pissed right now.

America has mafia and gangs and all that -blam!- walking around right now, well thats the same -blam!- thing as a drug cartel. -blam!- it dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Mexican drug cartels are way more powerful. You compare petty gangs to something that has more power than the Mexican government in many places in Mexico itself. So much so they've started crossing into our southern states and our police forces can't do much about it. Strapping a woman's face to a soccerball, threatening to kill police and their families if they interfere... the Mexican Cartel problem is much larger than any Mafia/Gang the US has... and many times more powerful.

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Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

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Posted by: abelsinh

Posted by: Murcielago00
Anyway, it's god to know the Mexican police have their priorities straight. God forbid they release the Marine back to US custody and they go after the cartels. That would be too much work.


Are you saying that a couple of individuals (It doesn't care if they're marines in their country, in Mexico they're just a couple of individuals) carrying a gun, are in any way, comparable to a fully organized drug cartel?


Uhhh That is getting me so pissed right now.

America has mafia and gangs and all that -blam!- walking around right now, well thats the same -blam!- thing as a drug cartel. -blam!- it dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Mexican drug cartels are way more powerful. You compare petty gangs to something that has more power than the Mexican government in many places in Mexico itself. So much so they've started crossing into our southern states and our police forces can't do much about it. Strapping a woman's face to a soccerball, threatening to kill police and their families if they interfere... the Mexican Cartel problem is much larger than any Mafia/Gang the US has... and many times more powerful.


Yes but what is getting me so -blam!- pissed is that people are always syaing "ughghgh they have the cartels they shouldn't be worrying about this type of thing" Sooo in the US they shouldn't worry about petty crimes and such and focus on gang amd mafia violence? Where's the -blam!- logic in that saying? The mexican police handle it just as the US, you can't trial people if you don't have -blam!- evidence.

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Posted by: Midnight Beauty

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Let them rot.

0/10.


He broke the law.

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Posted by: abelsinh

Posted by: Murcielago00
Anyway, it's god to know the Mexican police have their priorities straight. God forbid they release the Marine back to US custody and they go after the cartels. That would be too much work.


Are you saying that a couple of individuals (It doesn't care if they're marines in their country, in Mexico they're just a couple of individuals) carrying a gun, are in any way, comparable to a fully organized drug cartel?


Uhhh That is getting me so pissed right now.

America has mafia and gangs and all that -blam!- walking around right now, well thats the same -blam!- thing as a drug cartel. -blam!- it dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Mexican drug cartels are way more powerful. You compare petty gangs to something that has more power than the Mexican government in many places in Mexico itself. So much so they've started crossing into our southern states and our police forces can't do much about it. Strapping a woman's face to a soccerball, threatening to kill police and their families if they interfere... the Mexican Cartel problem is much larger than any Mafia/Gang the US has... and many times more powerful.


Yes but what is getting me so -blam!- pissed is that people are always syaing "ughghgh they have the cartels they shouldn't be worrying about this type of thing" Sooo in the US they shouldn't worry about petty crimes and such and focus on gang amd mafia violence? Where's the -blam!- logic in that saying? The mexican police handle it just as the US, you can't trial people if you don't have -blam!- evidence.
Thing is it is becoming as much as an American problem as it is Mexican. The Mexican drug cartels are established in well over 200 US cities, fueled by our insatiable need for illegal drug consumption, and bolstered by already established US leading gangs. The Joint Forces Command is concerned that this internal conflict will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state over the next several years, and therefore would demand an American response based on the implications for homeland security alone. After the JFC broached the issue in its 2008 report, several journalists and academics subsequently discussed in print the possibility that Mexico could become a failed state.

It is not just Mexican police anyway.
- Mexican Army
- Mexican Air Force
- Mexican Navy
- Mexican Naval Infantry
- Mexican Federal Police
- Mexican state and municipal police forces

Casualties for the Mexican military and police are in the thousands with a good thousand or so children dead.

Casualties for the cartels have shot above a hundred twenty thousand.

[Edited on 12.20.2012 4:07 PM PST]

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We shall wage war on the Mexicans. Only repurcussion is no more gardeners.

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Posted by: Midnight Beauty

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Posted by: Mastergee
Let them rot.

0/10.


He broke the law.

He had a shotgun at the border. Something legal in the US that's illegal in Mexico. How exactly would he have sufficient knowledge of this? There's a reason why countries have to factor in citizenship when it comes to detention.


Oh come on, You got to think is this legal for me to have in that country? It's the same as hoping on a plane and going to france or any country. The only thing is you can drive into mexico.

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Posted by: MilitaryTheorist
If it wasn't for the fact that it would be a diplomatic disaster, I'd send in SOF to get the guy out. It's fairly obvious that this isn't 'justice'. but rather extortion.
Two words: Joint Operation. We could, in theory, launch a special operation with Mexican SOF to rescue this guy. This would allow Mexico to keep it's sovereignty.

[Edited on 12.20.2012 4:15 PM PST]

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Posted by: Co M4N *Waves*
I put up what I believe to a solid counter-argument to further discussion.

Why when every time I do that the person I'm talking to ignores it and goes onto another matter?

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Posted by: Midnight Beauty
How exactly would he have sufficient knowledge of this?
Doesn't matter. Ignorance of the law does not absolve you of punishment.

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Posted by: Midnight Beauty

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He broke the law.[/quote]
He had a shotgun at the border. Something legal in the US that's illegal in Mexico. How exactly would he have sufficient knowledge of this? There's a reason why countries have to factor in citizenship when it comes to detention.


Oh come on, You got to think is this legal for me to have in that country? It's the same as hoping on a plane and going to france or any country. The only thing is you can drive into mexico.

How do we know they weren't unaware that it was on their person? Could have just been in the car.


How could we know it was his, it could of just been in his luggage on the plane. I think you would know if you had your shotgun in your car.

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Posted by: MadMax888

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How exactly would he have sufficient knowledge of this?
Doesn't matter. Ignorance of the law does not absolve you of punishment.
That's the thing. If it was just punishment it wouldn't have drawn that much attention. If it was just the holding, trial, and sentence it would be passed off as a crime by both countries.

There is no justice for the crime when the trial is rushed, skipped, and thrown down the toilet. There is no justice for the crime when you are held for months after you should have been, considering you should have already been on trial. There is no justice for the crime he committed because he wasn't even sentenced. They are just holding him there for ransom with the crime as an excuse to do so. If it was really about the crime he would have already been tried. In fact, if it was about the crime and not the money, he would have actually been punished for the crime the way the Mexican law says too. I mean, isn't he being punished by the judicial system for breaking a law? If so then why hasn't he been put in a courtroom with a lawyer? Why hasn't he been found innocent or guilty?

The injustice comes not with the doing of the crime, but in the way they fulfill the punishment for that crime. They could try him, find him guilty, and hold him for 30 years but they are offering him back FOR MONEY. It is extortion plain and simple, not punishment for a crime.

[Edited on 12.20.2012 4:23 PM PST]

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Posted by: Powershadows

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Well that's too bad.

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Posted by: Co M4N *Waves*
I put up what I believe to a solid counter-argument to further discussion.

Why when every time I do that the person I'm talking to ignores it and goes onto another matter?

  • 12.20.2012 4:23 PM PDT

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Wow, nevermind. I thought a cartel was holding him...

Man, I feel dumd

  • 12.20.2012 4:29 PM PDT

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Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Well that makes me disappointed.

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Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

Posted by: Rainbow A Dash

Posted by: Co M4N *Waves*
I put up what I believe to a solid counter-argument to further discussion.

Why when every time I do that the person I'm talking to ignores it and goes onto another matter?


Because you went on about america and its problem with it and homeland security and it's increasing drug smuggling. When I said I hate people saying mexican law shouldn't worry about petty crime such as bringing a gun into their country and focus only on drug cartel? I then said by that logic america shouldn't worry about petty crimes and only focus on gangs and mafia. So I didn't see how america's increasing drug line had anything to do with what I said and this man bringing a gun into mexico?

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Posted by: Mzone7
After reading the first few pages, it seemed like a lot of people were misinformed.

First off, he was only crossing through Mexico to get to Costa Rica for vacation and he brought the gun to go hunting.

Next, he was arrested because the gun is for military use only. However, the gun is not on the list of restricted weaponry.



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The only "charge" he was charged with is bring a weapon into the country that the Mexican Military uses which he hasn't done since... The barrel wasn't 25 inches or longer( it was 24) and it was a .410 gauge which the Mexican Military also does not use.

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