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Just because you're a good writer with proper spelling and grammar, doesn't mean you need to let down others that aren't as "great" as you.

People write for fun, not to be the best in the world. Let them have their fun.

  • 07.05.2006 5:01 PM PDT
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Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
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Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

That's fine. I was putting down the people who read, and then put down me, not trying to put down other writers.

  • 07.05.2006 5:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Or simply disappear, which is almost as good.

I totally agree with the temp bans for people that reply to threads with "Locked" or something similar.

In fact, as this pertains to the community as a whole, and spans more than one forum, I'm going to move this to the Septagon.


"This thread Blows.

IBTL (In before the Lock)"

Is the one i hate most.

  • 07.05.2006 5:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
I totally agree with the temp bans for people that reply to threads with "Locked" or something similar.

Yeah, well luckily I don't do that anymore. >_>

BECAUSE I USED TO.
-TGP-

  • 07.05.2006 6:08 PM PDT

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holy -TGP-.

I love your new Avatar. Did you make it, and if so can I use it on other sites?

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TGP, you look...different. New haircut?

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Stop gawping and go about your business.

-TGP-

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Posted by: Great_Pretender
Posted by: GameJunkieJim
I totally agree with the temp bans for people that reply to threads with "Locked" or something similar.

Yeah, well luckily I don't do that anymore. >_>

BECAUSE I USED TO.
-TGP-

So is that a commission to all the mod's of b.net? To ban them on the site of the offense, or is it just your preference?

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Posted by: Great_Pretender
Posted by: GameJunkieJim
I totally agree with the temp bans for people that reply to threads with "Locked" or something similar.

Yeah, well luckily I don't do that anymore. >_>

BECAUSE I USED TO.
-TGP-


That is a funky avatar. TGP still rules.

  • 07.05.2006 7:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: TrustDaTruth
Posted by: Great_Pretender
Posted by: GameJunkieJim
I totally agree with the temp bans for people that reply to threads with "Locked" or something similar.

Yeah, well luckily I don't do that anymore. >_>

BECAUSE I USED TO.
-TGP-

So is that a commission to all the mod's of b.net? To ban them on the site of the offense, or is it just your preference?

I meant I used to reply to threads before they got locked.

-TGP-

  • 07.05.2006 7:12 PM PDT

(10:19:49 PM) Scruss: oh and pezza, i saw what you did to that cat
(10:20:17 PM) Pezza: You were the one with the video camera breathing heavily. Of course you saw.

I couldn't agree more. I miss Zanzibar, all the sanity that was multiplayer lurked there instead of in New Mombasa.

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I totally agree with number 4. If I were moderator, anyone who posts "ZOMG B4NT" gets a week off.

Agreed.

  • 07.05.2006 7:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Pyroshark
2). Fan Fiction
I am severely pissed with the concept of fan fiction. Many writers, I have noticed, have a generic "HALO 3 NOVEL!" plot, which attracts the salivating "readers" for miles around. As a fan fiction writer myself, I should not be one to criticise others' work. However, it must be said that many fan fictions that I have read have poor plot devices, weak spelling/grammar, and are of a general low quality. That would be fine, on the basis that people would recognize this. Do they?

No.

These "writers" are praised for their poor attempts, and receive mass amounts of credit. Other fan fictions, which involve a more original plot and are generally of a better standard, are dismissed as being "amateur". It angers me to see how good peices of fiction are thrown away, while the mediocre endures.
If I upset anyone with this section, then I apologise: offense was never my intention.


That you don't like it is natural. However, that other people don't like what you wrote, or consider good, is not really something that you should be getting mad over so much that you rant about it. Just my 1.3 cents.

3). Group Invites
Why, oh why do groups insist on messaging me with group invites?! Chances are that if your group is known at all then I'm either in it or I've dismisssed it. Group invites are worthless and irritating; stop it!

Many bigger groups even go beyond mass advertisement. Without naming anyone in particular, I've seen groups "disguise" links so that they say they go to something, and in fact link to their group. I've seen this many times. I'm sick of sein it. Stop it! Nobody cares!


A good point, but if we didn't get these group invites, how would we know they exist? If you don't like most of them, then just ignore them (and you could block the person if you want). However, while I don't like generic invites, if people would try to appeal to me as a member who would enjoy the group, and not as a mere number on a member counter (or possibility for a promotion), I would be happier about invites.

4). Forum Cops
Every forum needs moderators and administrators. It's a well-known fact. However, it really bugs the hell out of me when I see these self-proclaimed "forum cops" in the forums. Posting "ZOMG LOCK3D!!!1" in a topic that you don't like or that you think infringes on the forum rules will not help it get locked easier. Quoting the forum rules (often incorrectly) does not make you "cool". I you want to be of some help, inform the moderators of anything you think breaks the forum rules, and wait until it is dealt with. In the mean time, stop brown-nosing; nobody likes a kiss-ass.


Now I resent that one. There is a difference between people who say that and what people used to term "Forum Cops." The people originally termed "Forum Cops" were mostly helpful. They didn't just tell people to not post because they made a simple mistake. They helped people learn how the use the forums appropriately, and therefore avoid getting into trouble. Which leads me into my next rebuttal:

That's because there isn't much of a difference at all. Regardless you're replying a crap thread and bumping it to the top of the forum. What's the point in that. Nothing, all you do is bring attention to a misplaced thread and more users will begin to reply believing they are helping. If you want to be helpful, PM a Moderator about the problem and it will either be taken care of by the Moderator you messaged or someone else will pick it up.

I would also resent a point like that. Replying to a thread that breaks the rules with something that is stupid does not help the community. However, if someone does not seem to know the rules, and you post something helpful ("For future reference, X threads belong in X forum," etc.), you're enlightening a member, and therefore helping them. If I reply to a thread that was newly made with something like that, I can't bump it, because it's already at the top. If I post something helpful, and perhaps even contribute to the discussion, the member knows they made a mistake, knows how to correct it in the future, and doesn't have to feel like they are being scolded, because there is also a contribution to their thread.

  • 07.05.2006 7:35 PM PDT
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Read about the Forgotten Spartan I Program
Butane: To protect the world from devastation!
sir_brilliant: To unite all people within our nation!
Rainman89: To denounce the evils of truth and love!
sir_brilliant: To extend out reach to the stars above!
SpaceGhostFlyer: Jessie!
Butane: James!
sir_brilliant: Team Rocket blasting off at the speed of light
Butane: Surrender now or prepare to fight
sir_brilliant: Meowth, that's right!

Ahh, Mabian. Adding to arguments that ceased to exist. Where would we be w/out you?

  • 07.06.2006 5:07 AM PDT
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"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

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Ahh, Mabian. Adding to arguments that ceased to exist. Where would we be w/out you?


Somewhere boring...or peaceful. You decide.

  • 07.06.2006 8:50 AM PDT

Get a blog.

But seriously - if people criticize your fiction because, no matter how original or well-written, it doesn't satisfy their drooling Halo3 fanboy rabies, should they really carry enough critical weight to get you down about it? What I mean is, they're hardly your target audience.

  • 07.06.2006 9:00 AM PDT

Posted by: Mabian
4). Forum Cops
Every forum needs moderators and administrators. It's a well-known fact. However, it really bugs the hell out of me when I see these self-proclaimed "forum cops" in the forums. Posting "ZOMG LOCK3D!!!1" in a topic that you don't like or that you think infringes on the forum rules will not help it get locked easier. Quoting the forum rules (often incorrectly) does not make you "cool". I you want to be of some help, inform the moderators of anything you think breaks the forum rules, and wait until it is dealt with. In the mean time, stop brown-nosing; nobody likes a kiss-ass.


Now I resent that one. There is a difference between people who say that and what people used to term "Forum Cops." The people originally termed "Forum Cops" were mostly helpful. They didn't just tell people to not post because they made a simple mistake. They helped people learn how the use the forums appropriately, and therefore avoid getting into trouble. Which leads me into my next rebuttal:

That's because there isn't much of a difference at all. Regardless you're replying a crap thread and bumping it to the top of the forum. What's the point in that. Nothing, all you do is bring attention to a misplaced thread and more users will begin to reply believing they are helping. If you want to be helpful, PM a Moderator about the problem and it will either be taken care of by the Moderator you messaged or someone else will pick it up.

I would also resent a point like that. Replying to a thread that breaks the rules with something that is stupid does not help the community. However, if someone does not seem to know the rules, and you post something helpful ("For future reference, X threads belong in X forum," etc.), you're enlightening a member, and therefore helping them. If I reply to a thread that was newly made with something like that, I can't bump it, because it's already at the top. If I post something helpful, and perhaps even contribute to the discussion, the member knows they made a mistake, knows how to correct it in the future, and doesn't have to feel like they are being scolded, because there is also a contribution to their thread.


I agree very much with this, mainly becaues i try to direct anyone i can if i see that they are obviously not doing the right thing. If someone just says 'Zomg r0ng f0ruM!' then they are only making things worse, and as yoozel and jim have been arguing about, need to be reprimanded in some way. However, being helpful like mabian pointed out is a good thing. The best would be to post and alert a mod so that they can move the thread where it belongs.

Some of the mods will say that its better to simply send them a message, but i think that if one of 10 people will actually learn stuff from that post, its worth it.

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It's all about perspective and motives.

If one corrects another for personal gain it is wrong.
You all understand that. It's part of the 'Greyness' of the universe.

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Posted by: Napo
It's all about perspective and motives.

If one corrects another for personal gain it is wrong.
You all understand that. It's part of the 'Greyness' of the universe.


But that's where the argument truly takes place. We cannot each delve into one another's mind and feelings and know why someone does what they do. Anyone can be helpful. However, not everyone is helpful because they wish to aid the community. Some do it in the hopes that they will be noticed, and later become a moderator, which they wish to become for some personal reasons.

The gray area is all the rage when it comes to arguments.

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i love pyro, and lamps but that is a copyright infringement

the forum cops bug the crap out of me, they think theat there better than everyone else and know everything

Ninjas, i think you should hand out more "forum cop bans" i hate people with that much ego

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I agree with Pyro with a lot of his stuff. Except the group invites. Some groups need the attention like newly born ones. Also no offense but the classifieds is run like a dictatorship now that people are afriad to go there now so how are you supposed to recruit?

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"Whatever exists, whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent. These anonymous creatures may seem little or nothing in the world. Yet the smallest crumb can devour us. Any smallest thing beneath yon rock out of men's knowing. Only nature can enslave man and only when the existence of each last entity is routed out and made to stand naked before him will he be properly suzerain of the earth."

Posted by: HarmfulifSwalod
i love pyro, and lamps but that is a copyright infringement

the forum cops bug the crap out of me, they think theat there better than everyone else and know everything

Ninjas, i think you should hand out more "forum cop bans" i hate people with that much ego


You read the whole thread, right? Did you see the few posts about how there is a difference between "Forum Cops" and the members that were the object of the complaints? Saying that "Forum Cops" should be banned is inadvertently saying members like me should be banned.

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Nah moderaters are typically cool. I just don't like ninjas that ban people in an assine way.

  • 07.06.2006 10:34 AM PDT

*bans Mabian*

:-P

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Posted by: Mabian
Posted by: Napo
It's all about perspective and motives.

If one corrects another for personal gain it is wrong.
You all understand that. It's part of the 'Greyness' of the universe.


But that's where the argument truly takes place. We cannot each delve into one another's mind and feelings and know why someone does what they do. Anyone can be helpful. However, not everyone is helpful because they wish to aid the community. Some do it in the hopes that they will be noticed, and later become a moderator, which they wish to become for some personal reasons.

The gray area is all the rage when it comes to arguments.


The grey area is an unfortunate necessity in the universe due to the consistant inconsistancy of said universe. To clarify: We've all heard that All statements can be proved wrong....except this one. the fact is that with no absolute knowledge, no absolutes can be postulated. Therefore i submit that, we being of only limited intellect, must ONE: Trust others to do things for the correct motives until proven otherwise, an TWO: we must base our opinions on the characteristics, moods, and information given us. Anything else is mere speculation. therefore, if someone is TRULY helping someone, no matter the motive, as seen by us it is good. This is where bad and good blur because definite bad can cause definite good. Wow... it's summer, so im done with this Grey Philo-crap
anyway, nice debate Mabs

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Posted by: Mabian
Posted by: HarmfulifSwalod
i love pyro, and lamps but that is a copyright infringement

the forum cops bug the crap out of me, they think theat there better than everyone else and know everything

Ninjas, i think you should hand out more "forum cop bans" i hate people with that much ego


You read the whole thread, right? Did you see the few posts about how there is a difference between "Forum Cops" and the members that were the object of the complaints? Saying that "Forum Cops" should be banned is inadvertently saying members like me should be banned.

yea i read it but seeing as how there isnt another word for the other group of people besides "annoying" i just decided to call them that

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