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  • 07.05.2006 4:24 PM PDT
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It had me stumped also. The Covenant believed Halo to be a weapon in Halo, yet think it's salvation in Halo 2. My guess is, it's either a plot hole on Bungie's behalf, Halo brings death yet also salvation, or the Covenant in the first Halo were conspiring.

  • 07.05.2006 4:30 PM PDT
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i always considered this to be something that the prophets knew about

good call, i was wondering about it for a while too

but it would make sense if it were the prophets who knew about such classified info

  • 07.05.2006 4:33 PM PDT
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If you controlled a weapon with vast, unimaginable power, wouldn't you basically control the fate of the universe?

  • 07.05.2006 4:37 PM PDT
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I was wondering that same thing when I played T&R the other day...Cortana even said "The Covenant believe Halo to be some kind of super weapon." And in Halo 1,they know it's a weapon but they are still trying to activate it,and they are still against the masterchief...im confused.

I have no idea why they would know this in halo 1,but not in Halo 2... As much as it pains me my guess is a plot hole...Maybe not all the Covenant knew it was a weapon,only those on T&R...But wait...The Arbitor was on T&R and he didnt know it was a weapon.

Someone should ask Frankie,so he can answer it the weeky update.

  • 07.05.2006 4:38 PM PDT
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The Covenant have always believed that the Halo's will bring salvation. They don't know exactly what the Halo's do once activated, but they do know that it is what wiped out the Forerunners. They know that it is a weapon, but don't know what it does. Remember, they refer to them as the Holy Rings. Hence the Salvation. As for Keyes' quote, if you combine it with Cortana's quote it makes perfect sense. The Covenant know that Halo is a weapon, and they know that it is powerful, so, whoever controls it, can decide whether or not to activate it and wipe out life in the Universe or not. They make perfect sense. You don't fight Heretics on Alpha Halo. The Heretics are Covenant who rebelled against the cause remember? So the Heretics are most likely Covenant who know what Halo truly does and don't like it, so they rebelled.

Also, when a Halo is activated, the Covenant believe that it begins a little thing known as The Great Journey remember?

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  • 07.05.2006 4:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: GodsGunman
If you controlled a weapon with vast, unimaginable power, wouldn't you basically control the fate of the universe?


In Halo 2, the covenant do not consider it a weapn. They consider the Halos to be gateways to their great journey.

  • 07.05.2006 4:41 PM PDT
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Im pretty sure the prophets know *exactly* what halo does. They know FAR too much to not know that simple fact. If you leave a big death causing weapon lieing around, im pretty sure youd post a warning that reads something like "SURGEON GENERALS WARNING: ACTIVATING HALO CAN LEAD TO THE ERADICATION OF ALL LIFE" or some such. Youd also assume thered be a mention of humanitys stance as reclaimers, quite likely the entire reason for the war on humanity, as the rest of the covenant finding this out would mean the prophets are now ranked below humans in power, based ont he rules of the religion they themselves created, so why not wipe humans out before that can be found. Im sure there was a picture or reference SOMEWHERE in all the data the prophets have been able to sift through to recreate all this tech. In short.. what halo does is too important to not warn about (whod want that going off by accident?) and the prophets know too much, to not know this.

  • 07.05.2006 4:52 PM PDT

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I sat here for five minutes after reading this post, desperately trying to reconcile the two perceptions of the Halos in the two games, but sadly I have come up with no plausible explanation. I am forced to conclude that it is indeed a plot hole.

  • 07.05.2006 4:57 PM PDT
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Here it is then:

The only way for the covenant to obtain salvation is to stop the war, and the only way to do that is to kill off the humans, right? So, they want to use Halo as a weapon against humans, so they can forever live in piece.

This is the only logical thing I can think of.

  • 07.05.2006 5:00 PM PDT
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Let's say your going to kill yourself, you use a gun, you may think this will lead you to a better place, but it is still a weapon right? Same idea with the Covenant. Truth knows about it being a weapon. That's wy Mercey says "divine wind shal rush through the stars..." divine wind is pretty much suicide. They wish to join their gods, gos can only exist in heavenly places right? Well... ya. Self explanetory there.

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Posted by: Kilwan
Posted by: GodsGunman
If you controlled a weapon with vast, unimaginable power, wouldn't you basically control the fate of the universe?


In Halo 2, the covenant do not consider it a weapn. They consider the Halos to be gateways to their great journey.

Hey, I was just pulling that information from the quotes the guy had put up from Halo 1

  • 07.05.2006 5:02 PM PDT
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yeah that makes sense to me

  • 07.05.2006 5:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kilwan
Posted by: GodsGunman
If you controlled a weapon with vast, unimaginable power, wouldn't you basically control the fate of the universe?


In Halo 2, the covenant do not consider it a weapn. They consider the Halos to be gateways to their great journey.


beat me to it. im glad some one has played the games

  • 07.05.2006 5:09 PM PDT
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perhaps they believe that halo can be used to wipe out a certain species (humans)
the great journey may take place only after the humans are wiped out.

  • 07.05.2006 5:09 PM PDT

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Let's say your going to kill yourself, you use a gun, you may think this will lead you to a better place, but it is still a weapon right? Same idea with the Covenant. Truth knows about it being a weapon. That's wy Mercey says "divine wind shal rush through the stars..." divine wind is pretty much suicide. They wish to join their gods, gos can only exist in heavenly places right? Well... ya. Self explanetory there.


But then why did the Heretics, the Arbiter, and later the Elites rebel in Halo 2 when they found out what Halo really was? If they already knew it would kill them, they wouldn't have been so shocked and angry.

  • 07.05.2006 5:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Piers909
Here it is then:

The only way for the covenant to obtain salvation is to stop the war, and the only way to do that is to kill off the humans, right? So, they want to use Halo as a weapon against humans, so they can forever live in piece.

This is the only logical thing I can think of.


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  • 07.05.2006 5:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Let's say your going to kill yourself, you use a gun, you may think this will lead you to a better place, but it is still a weapon right? Same idea with the Covenant. Truth knows about it being a weapon. That's wy Mercey says "divine wind shal rush through the stars..." divine wind is pretty much suicide. They wish to join their gods, gos can only exist in heavenly places right? Well... ya. Self explanetory there.


But then why did the Heretics, the Arbiter, and later the Elites rebel in Halo 2 when they found out what Halo really was? If they already knew it would kill them, they wouldn't have been so shocked and angry.
It was the fact that the PRophets betrayed them, go to uprising, see some Elites honor the dead, "you are on the path" They still beleive in their religion. Just without their leaders. Therfore making it dishonorable to die with the Prophets. You understand?

  • 07.05.2006 5:13 PM PDT

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You should of made up your own instrument. You could have named it the PolarLighting -a-phone. People would buy it and they would all be like "Awh, He's so cool for inventing the PolarLighting-a-phone."

Perhaps when Cortana says that "The covenent believe Halo is some sort of super weapon" It was merely her own interpretation. Because the covenent believe the "transcending the physical" is a good thing. And Cortana understands that as dying.

  • 07.05.2006 5:19 PM PDT
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I think they were referring to the flood when they were talking about a "weapon"... the weapon just happened to be a parasite that didn't care who it killed....

  • 07.05.2006 5:24 PM PDT

Those without swords can still die upon them.

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Posted by: HaloFighter92
Let's say your going to kill yourself, you use a gun, you may think this will lead you to a better place, but it is still a weapon right? Same idea with the Covenant. Truth knows about it being a weapon. That's wy Mercey says "divine wind shal rush through the stars..." divine wind is pretty much suicide. They wish to join their gods, gos can only exist in heavenly places right? Well... ya. Self explanetory there.


But then why did the Heretics, the Arbiter, and later the Elites rebel in Halo 2 when they found out what Halo really was? If they already knew it would kill them, they wouldn't have been so shocked and angry.
It was the fact that the PRophets betrayed them, go to uprising, see some Elites honor the dead, "you are on the path" They still beleive in their religion. Just without their leaders. Therfore making it dishonorable to die with the Prophets. You understand?


If they knew the truth, how were they betrayed? And if you're referring to the change of guard, why does the Arbiter appeal to Tartarus by saying "Tartarus....the Prophets have betrayed us." He doesn't mean the Elites exclusively when he says "us", because big T wouldn't give a frak about them. He means every member of the Covenant under the Prophets.

  • 07.05.2006 5:31 PM PDT
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hmmm you have giving me somthing to think about here, never really thought of that good job!

  • 07.05.2006 5:38 PM PDT

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In Halo 2 the Covenant believe Halo will bring salvation to all who believe in its power. But in Halo 1 when you rescue Captain Keyes he says:
"I overheard the Covenant saying that whoever controls Halo, controls the fate of the universe."
Then Cortana says: "The Covenant believe Halo is some sort of weapon. One with vast, unimaginable power."

Is it a flaw in the storyline, or were the "Covenant" you fought on Alpha Halo Heretics? I think this has some signifigance to the Halo 3 storyline.


well you have a point but i do think you are over speculating.

As bungie said there were 5 months to make halo and with that only a small group. I think that whoever wrote the story to halo 1 had no idea what would happen in h2, (or if there was gonna be an h2). I believe that it was written that way to show the gamer how destructive it and the covies were and then realized it would really create a good background for h2 and h3.
However i will give bungie the benefit of the doubt.

i dont think the covies in h1 were heretic.

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  • 07.05.2006 5:40 PM PDT

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I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

The Covenant believe that the humans are not worthy of "The Great Journey"!

Therefore they think that if "Halo" is activated all life forms unworthy of "The Great Journey" will be wiped out while the ones who are welcomed to "The Great Journey" become "Gods"!

So I believe that there is no plot gap.

  • 07.05.2006 5:42 PM PDT
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You're overlooking something that's really important. "If I'm analyzing this correctly, they think that Halo is some sort of weapon." She's simply not analyzing it correctly.

  • 07.05.2006 5:42 PM PDT

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