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Subject: When will people learn not to wear hoodies?

Remember those times when we all had something better to be doing, but didn't do it? Those were good times. Gooood times

I will continue to where my hoodie and enjoy every minute I am. If the cops have something to say about, they can expect a nice lawsuit coming their way.

  • 12.21.2012 11:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy
Having down syndrome doesn't mean a person is incapable of breaking the law. I condone the officers actions up until the point he realized the man was disabled.

Beat first, assess the situation later, maybe stop beating if person turns out to be a defenseless simpleton. I see no flaws in this logic.

That's not at all what I said. Don't twist my words. Don't spin it like I meant that for all situations.

In this instance however, yes that logic is actually sound.

Not really. It says he didn't respond. It doesn't say he made threatening moves, tried to flee, or resisted, just that he didn't respond. Guy could be deaf, had headphones on, or just assumed they weren't talking to him since he wasn't involved at all with the incident at the neighbors house. That hardly seems like cause to start clubbing a guy like a caveman before trying to get any additional information.

The suspect was wearing a hoodie, thus identification was impossible.
Hoodie = probably guilty of crime?

The officer tried getting his attention to no avail. That is ignoring the police and the officer had every right to move on him.
So, you are saying that we do not have a right to silence. Interesting. Beyond that, if we exercise that right, police are then granted the power to find us guilty of it and sentence us to beatings. Those are some interesting legal theories.

  • 12.21.2012 11:49 AM PDT

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Officers like that need to be commended for their brave actions.

  • 12.21.2012 11:52 AM PDT
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Blame goes on both the officer and they victims family. The officer should've at least seen who it was and stopped beating him at one point. The victims family should realize that a mentally challenged child shouldn't be wearing hoodie.

  • 12.21.2012 11:55 AM PDT

The cop is lucky the perp didn't kick in his super retard strength.

Sorry that was rude, I meant suspect.

  • 12.21.2012 12:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
So, you are saying that we do not have a right to silence. Interesting. Beyond that, if we exercise that right, police are then granted the power to find us guilty of it and sentence us to beatings. Those are some interesting legal theories.


Man that's it. You're just a troll. All you do is twist what I'm saying into a manner which supports your messed up viewpoint.

You wanna hate all cops, go right ahead. Have fun tasting the curb when one pulls you over for speeding and you starting acting like a smartass.


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LMAO. YouTube is not a credible source. They always upload a fraction of the entire incident and almost always attempt to show the police in a bad light.

Anyhow, the whole idea of having citizens fighting cops is laughably stupid. Officers would have no protection then, especially when dealing with hardened criminals. Arresting a drug addict? Let's have all his buddies start attacking the officer.

Sure, in the event that an officer abuses his power, it would be nice if someone did something. But you can't, and there's a reason for it. If you can't figure out these reasons, than you have no business talking about this. I'll give you an example; Does a bystander always know what an officer is arresting someone for? Or why an officer is trying to get someone to comply? The answer is no. Thus, we can't have people seeing things they know nothing about and acting on it because "they have a right to". That's bad in so many ways. The best a bystander can do is watch and report to the other police after. Let them deal with it.

edit: Also, you've completely fallen victim to the belief that officers "routinely" abuse their powers. That is totally false. Of the thousands upon thousands of officers in this country, maybe 1% of them abuse their powers, and an incredibly small portion of that 1% actually end up in a fatality or horrendous beating which we then see on the news.


I was referring to cases in which the officer acted outside the law and people needed the ability to defend themselves, not when the local weedhead gets busted for possession in front of his buddies

In Plummer v. State, a man killed an officer who was acting outside the law with lethal intent. The decision was upheld by the supreme court that 'citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an officer's life if necessary'. So yes, of an officer is accosting an individual illegally, they have the right to defend ourselves as if it were any other man assaulting that individual, you'd just need to damn well be able to prove it.

Again, I'm not talking about normal happenstance events such as arresting an individual for DUI, disorderly conduct, prostitution, ect. I'm referring to instances where the officer is obviously in the wrong, yet they still continue with the acts. In the OP's linked page, bystanders even told the officer that the man was disabled and had no part in the event in question, yet the officer still beat him and maced him in the face.

As for your edit, any illegal activity, murder, or instance of police brutality is too much. Even if it is as you say, without citing any source, even if 1% of police-citizen interaction results in bodily injury or death due to officer incompetence and overkill, that's more than there needs to be.

Here, I agree with you. If the situation is that extreme, yes. However, I might've misunderstood you, and was talking about situations in general. Then again, it gets fuzzy when a citizen can stop a police officer, since their idea of extreme could be different from another's. But, I see your point.
I also agree that any police abuse is too much. However, I was merely pointing out that the amount of power that gets abuse isn't nearly as much as it seems. The media pounces on anything that relates to officer misconduct. You can't pass laws that limit police power simply because a few bad eggs abuse their power. However, I'd be all for laws that would review the health and stability of an officer, to ensure whatever issues they have in their own lives aren't affecting their job performance or giving them a trigger finger.

[Edited on 12.21.2012 2:24 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2012 2:17 PM PDT
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It's kinda funny watching Americans botch so bad such as police attacking people for wearing a hoodie. The stereotyping in professions always make a funny situation.

  • 12.21.2012 2:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: A Deaf Boy

Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
So, you are saying that we do not have a right to silence. Interesting. Beyond that, if we exercise that right, police are then granted the power to find us guilty of it and sentence us to beatings. Those are some interesting legal theories.


Man that's it. You're just a troll. All you do is twist what I'm saying into a manner which supports your messed up viewpoint.

You wanna hate all cops, go right ahead. Have fun tasting the curb when one pulls you over for speeding and you starting acting like a smartass.
he has a point. Why are you attacking someone who is using the local law system to prove injustice. You are the stupid my friend, not him.

  • 12.21.2012 2:22 PM PDT
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Wait- which one had down syndrome again?

  • 12.21.2012 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I blame video games, the officer clearly has played Assassin's Creed and was being wary of the suspects hidden blade.

  • 12.21.2012 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy

Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
So, you are saying that we do not have a right to silence. Interesting. Beyond that, if we exercise that right, police are then granted the power to find us guilty of it and sentence us to beatings. Those are some interesting legal theories.


Man that's it. You're just a troll. All you do is twist what I'm saying into a manner which supports your messed up viewpoint.

You wanna hate all cops, go right ahead. Have fun tasting the curb when one pulls you over for speeding and you starting acting like a smartass.

I don't hate all cops. I do hate the ones that break laws because they think they are above them. Being a smartass is not against the law. Neither is not responding to police. In fact, that is an expressly granted right. To be assaulted for either is a violation of the law. If it were to happen to me, I'd laugh all the way to the bank, just like this family will. A 2 year training course and a badge do not grant the authority to overrule the constitution as you wish.

  • 12.21.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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I'm wearing one right now. Wat u gonna do bout it, OP?

  • 12.21.2012 2:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
So, you are saying that we do not have a right to silence. Interesting. Beyond that, if we exercise that right, police are then granted the power to find us guilty of it and sentence us to beatings. Those are some interesting legal theories.


Man that's it. You're just a troll. All you do is twist what I'm saying into a manner which supports your messed up viewpoint.

You wanna hate all cops, go right ahead. Have fun tasting the curb when one pulls you over for speeding and you starting acting like a smartass.
he has a point. Why are you attacking someone who is using the local law system to prove injustice. You are the stupid my friend, not him.

I'm "the stupid"? lol.

I never said we don't have the right to be silent. I said if a police officer wants our attention, you pay attention. You can be silent to anyone else and not pay consequences. Just not police officers. He's just twisting my words to support his views more.

  • 12.21.2012 2:27 PM PDT
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I love hoodies. They are all the rage in England.

In any case, this is a shocking story, and really rather sad. But in situations like this I just don't know what to do, the problems clearly run deep and you can (to some degree or another) sympathies with the people who pepper sprayed him.

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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi

Posted by: A Deaf Boy

Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
So, you are saying that we do not have a right to silence. Interesting. Beyond that, if we exercise that right, police are then granted the power to find us guilty of it and sentence us to beatings. Those are some interesting legal theories.


Man that's it. You're just a troll. All you do is twist what I'm saying into a manner which supports your messed up viewpoint.

You wanna hate all cops, go right ahead. Have fun tasting the curb when one pulls you over for speeding and you starting acting like a smartass.

I don't hate all cops. I do hate the ones that break laws because they think they are above them. Being a smartass is not against the law. Neither is not responding to police. In fact, that is an expressly granted right. To be assaulted for either is a violation of the law. If it were to happen to me, I'd laugh all the way to the bank, just like this family will. A 2 year training course and a badge do not grant the authority to overrule the constitution as you wish.

Of course it isn't against the law. But it certainly won't do you favors when talking to an officer of the law. Sure, be silent all you want. But there may be consequences to pay. Such an officer trying to get the attention of a suspicious person who is ignoring him. "Hmmmm....maybe he's ignoring me because he's guilty?"

As I said before, the officer was fine up until he realized the man was disabled. Things should've changed at that point, but they didn't. He went overboard, although it wasn't horrible. I wouldn't exactly say he thought himself "above the law" here. He should probably be suspended, or transferred. If the officer has a history of these incidents, by all means fire the person. We don't know that however, so...

  • 12.21.2012 2:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy
As I said before, the officer was fine up until he realized the man was disabled.

Not at all. Wearing a hoodie is not grounds for search and seizure. Any attempt to physically detain him without cause is a violation of the 5th amendment. He also has no right to assault the man whose only action was to remain silent when addressed. Both actions are blatent violations of the law. The officer messed up when he made a snap judgement of seeing a minority in a hoodie and assuming they were guilty before making a reasonable effort to identify or question him.

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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi

Posted by: A Deaf Boy
As I said before, the officer was fine up until he realized the man was disabled.

Not at all. Wearing a hoodie is not grounds for search and seizure. Any attempt to physically detain him without cause is a violation of the 5th amendment. He also has no right to assault the man whose only action was to remain silent when addressed. Both actions are blatent violations of the law. The officer messed up when he made a snap judgement of seeing a minority in a hoodie and assuming they were guilty before making a reasonable effort to identify or question him.

It wasn't just the hoodie. It was wearing the hoodie (which face it, is suspicious clothing. It just is. Whatever you may think, it is) AND ignoring the officer AND walking away from the officer. It was a combination of those things. And since when was calling out the person not a reasonable effort to identify/question him? What else was he supposed to do? Say "oh darn!" and let him walk away?

edit: We aren't getting anywhere. Like I said, think whatever you want to think.

[Edited on 12.21.2012 2:47 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2012 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I blame video games, the officer clearly has played Assassin's Creed and was being wary of the suspects hidden blade.


If anything, AC has taught me that hoodies mean you're not suspicious at all. Hoods seem to negate the oddness of carrying a dozen swords and a crossbow around (assuming other hooded people or some whores are around).

[Edited on 12.21.2012 2:49 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2012 2:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy
As I said before, the officer was fine up until he realized the man was disabled.

Not at all. Wearing a hoodie is not grounds for search and seizure. Any attempt to physically detain him without cause is a violation of the 5th amendment. He also has no right to assault the man whose only action was to remain silent when addressed. Both actions are blatent violations of the law. The officer messed up when he made a snap judgement of seeing a minority in a hoodie and assuming they were guilty before making a reasonable effort to identify or question him.

It wasn't just the hoodie. It was wearing the hoodie (which face it, is suspicious clothing. It just is. Whatever you may think, it is) AND ignoring the officer AND walking away from the officer. It was a combination of those things. And since when was calling out the person not a reasonable effort to identify/question him? What else was he supposed to do? Say "oh darn!" and let him walk away?

He didn't call him by name, the officer never even bothered to find that out. Just saying hey stop to a crowd then beating a guy who doesn't think he is the one being addressed just isn't legal. If I walk by an officer and he says "stop", and I do not do so immediately, he is not legally entitled to try to club me to death. He must have probable cause to begin with. No matter what you think of hoodies, that isn't going to fly in court with a competent lawyer. Even if he has probable cause to think I committed a crime, he has no right to assault me for not answering his questions. That would win me a free acquittal no matter what I had done.

  • 12.21.2012 2:56 PM PDT

I wear hoodies.

But always with the hood down.

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Hoodies are all I wear.

  • 12.21.2012 5:18 PM PDT

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