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Subject: A move towards Gender equality...Women complain.


Posted by: LeSieg

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Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: darthnilhilus97
Just remember, no matter how much these feminists scream that they are fighting for gender equality, they are really the most sexist, non-egalitarian people in western civilization.
I really hope you just successfully trolled me and that's not your actual, reasoned opinion.

Why would he be trolling you he is right for the most part? A lot of feminists are sexist.
That's absolutely not true, and serves as nothing more as an excuse for bigotry to hind behind a shield of make-believe persecution.

Do you even know what feminism is? Or is it just some mysterious philosophy you can't be bothered to appreciate and would rather use it as a catch-all for your collective misogyny? Are there sexist feminists? Absolutely. But those people betray the message of their philosophy just as much as Westboro Baptist "Christians" or any other example of hypocrisy that I can think of.


Funny thing is I had an English teacher who was feminist... And she was almost blatantly sexist. Many feminists today are most simply sexist.

  • 12.21.2012 10:06 AM PDT

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Good. And women will complain over equality if it's not going their way. It's the way they work.

  • 12.21.2012 10:06 AM PDT
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This.
Posted by: BROWN HAWK
Why not just lower the cost for m- oh, yeah, money. Of course.

OT: I've seen horrible drivers of both sexes, so, there.

  • 12.21.2012 10:07 AM PDT

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This is so ironic. Also, wouldn't not hitting a woman because she's a woman be considered sexist?

Edit: Double standards, eh?

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  • 12.21.2012 10:07 AM PDT

The problem with finding gender equality is that fact that genders aren't even naturally equal. Women are severely crippled compared to men; speaking in terms of biology, of course.

  • 12.21.2012 10:07 AM PDT


Posted by: Android Spartan
Gender should not play a roll in anything at all, why should a woman pay less because of her gender? They say its an incentive to drive safer, so does that mean they won't drive safely now?

Also young drivers tend to drive safely because of how expensive the insurance is, if their parents pay the insurance for them they are more likely to have an accident.

If it's your own money your more responsible, its as simple as that.

and I was right about more men driving than women. oh and it is relevant because if the number of accidents is higher because of a higher number of genders than how does that mean men are worse drivers?? There just happen to be more opportunities for men to be involved in an accident.

First of all, you don't understand how insurance premiums work. They're not there as an incentive to drive a certain way, they're there because of statistics based on demographics and past driving records.

I'll direct to a source with a valid link (the one from your KGBAnswers [lel] is dead) here and direct your attention to page 12. Notice how the rate (you know, the thing that is determined as a percentage of drivers, not an absolute number) of accidents in drivers decreases as age increases.

For those of you incapable of interpreting data, that means that the rate of accidents in younger drivers is higher than that in older drivers. That is the reason that insurance premiums are higher. You could charge as much as you want as a monthly premium and teenagers will still drive exactly the same.

Although, until you understand the concept of rates, all of this is pretty meaningless to you, neh?

  • 12.21.2012 10:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Android Spartan
women are better drivers then men.
Women are safer drivers than men. However, men are definitely better at driving.

  • 12.21.2012 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: darthnilhilus97

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: What Is This1

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: darthnilhilus97
Just remember, no matter how much these feminists scream that they are fighting for gender equality, they are really the most sexist, non-egalitarian people in western civilization.
I really hope you just successfully trolled me and that's not your actual, reasoned opinion.

Why would he be trolling you he is right for the most part? A lot of feminists are sexist.
That's absolutely not true, and serves as nothing more as an excuse for bigotry to hind behind a shield of make-believe persecution.

Do you even know what feminism is? Or is it just some mysterious philosophy you can't be bothered to appreciate and would rather use it as a catch-all for your collective misogyny? Are there sexist feminists? Absolutely. But those people betray the message of their philosophy just as much as Westboro Baptist "Christians" or any other example of hypocrisy that I can think of.

Oh course we know what feminist philosophy is. It all revolves around this "patriarchy" that doesn't even exist in the real world, and hasn't since the 1950's. Of course you would try to defend your misandric philosophy by calling us misogynists, but we are the true egalitarians, not you.
Do you seriously want to get up and say that the world isn't inherently patriarchal? Please, do carry on with this. I would love to see how that's true.

Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

That's all there is to it. There's no rejection of men's rights or anything in there that suggests that equal rights for women means less rights for men. Anything you attribute past that only comes from your own warped interpretation.

  • 12.21.2012 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: What Is This1

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: darthnilhilus97
Just remember, no matter how much these feminists scream that they are fighting for gender equality, they are really the most sexist, non-egalitarian people in western civilization.
I really hope you just successfully trolled me and that's not your actual, reasoned opinion.

Why would he be trolling you he is right for the most part? A lot of feminists are sexist.
That's absolutely not true, and serves as nothing more as an excuse for bigotry to hind behind a shield of make-believe persecution.

Do you even know what feminism is? Or is it just some mysterious philosophy you can't be bothered to appreciate and would rather use it as a catch-all for your collective misogyny? Are there sexist feminists? Absolutely. But those people betray the message of their philosophy just as much as Westboro Baptist "Christians" or any other example of hypocrisy that I can think of.


Funny thing is I had an English teacher who was feminist... And she was almost blatantly sexist. Many feminists today are most simply sexist.
Anecdotes are not evidence, regardless of how much you want to attribute the actions of one to all.

  • 12.21.2012 10:10 AM PDT

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Remember, when its for a woman because she's a woman, it's chivalry. When it isn't for a woman because she's a woman, it's sexism.
Basically, double standards.
Posted by: LC o MagiikZ
This is so ironic. Also, wouldn't not hitting a woman because she's a woman be considered sexist?

  • 12.21.2012 10:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

That's all there is to it. There's no rejection of men's rights or anything in there that suggests that equal rights for women means less rights for men. Anything you attribute past that only comes from your own warped interpretation.

Indeed. The problem stems from the different waves of feminism. There are plenty of those [third?] wave feminists who think men are scum of the earth. That doesn't define all feminism, though.

  • 12.21.2012 10:11 AM PDT


Posted by: LeSieg
Do you seriously want to get up and say that the world isn't inherently patriarchal? Please, do carry on with this. I would love to see how that's true.

Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

That's all there is to it. There's no rejection of men's rights or anything in there that suggests that equal rights for women means less rights for men. Anything you attribute past that only comes from your own warped interpretation.

I don't think you understand the conversation that is going on if that is your rebuttal to his statement.

  • 12.21.2012 10:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: st3althsniper22
Remember, when its for a woman because she's a woman, it's chivalry. When it isn't for a woman because she's a woman, it's sexism.
Basically, double standards.
Posted by: LC o MagiikZ
This is so ironic. Also, wouldn't not hitting a woman because she's a woman be considered sexist?
Hitting a woman is the same as hitting a man in situations where the context is equal. If a woman challenged a man to a fight or vice versa, no there wouldn't be anything inherently sexist about that.

However, most cases of battery and violence against women aren't in fights where the willingness to engage in violence is equal. Battery and violence against women worldwide is overwhelmingly in situations in which men or a man uses their status as a higher-citizen within their culture to take advantage of a woman. That is sexist. It is also sexist to assume that all domestic violence or gender battery occurs as a man against a woman. Of course there are situations when a woman takes advantage of her social situation to batter and oppress a man. That's deplorable and equally disgusting through the lens of feminism as well.

Again, it's about equal footing, not women finally finding a way to subjugate men.

  • 12.21.2012 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: LeSieg
Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

That's all there is to it. There's no rejection of men's rights or anything in there that suggests that equal rights for women means less rights for men. Anything you attribute past that only comes from your own warped interpretation.

Indeed. The problem stems from the different waves of feminism. There are plenty of those [third?] wave feminists who think men are scum of the earth. That doesn't define all feminism, though.


Thank goodness, too. I think we can all agree that equality is a wonderful thing when we look at any social or political movement in the past to bring down the barriers that divided people, be them literal of figurative. It's saddening to see that in an instance such as the one linked by the OP that some are taking to a degree it doesn't need to be taken.

This beckons further questions, though. Are barbers going to have to charge the same for men and women now? What about memberships for "women only" social groups? Where is the line going to be drawn here?

  • 12.21.2012 10:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: What Is This1

Posted by: LeSieg
Do you seriously want to get up and say that the world isn't inherently patriarchal? Please, do carry on with this. I would love to see how that's true.

Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

That's all there is to it. There's no rejection of men's rights or anything in there that suggests that equal rights for women means less rights for men. Anything you attribute past that only comes from your own warped interpretation.

I don't think you understand the conversation that is going on if that is your rebuttal to his statement.
I absolutely understand. You claim feminism is selective and bigoted as philosophy, and I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. If you feel there's a misunderstanding in what either of us is trying to convey to other, this is as good a chance as any to resolve it. So please, enlighten me.

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Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: LeSieg
Feminism: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

That's all there is to it. There's no rejection of men's rights or anything in there that suggests that equal rights for women means less rights for men. Anything you attribute past that only comes from your own warped interpretation.

Indeed. The problem stems from the different waves of feminism. There are plenty of those [third?] wave feminists who think men are scum of the earth. That doesn't define all feminism, though.


Thank goodness, too. I think we can all agree that equality is a wonderful thing when we look at any social or political movement in the past to bring down the barriers that divided people, be them literal of figurative. It's saddening to see that in an instance such as the one linked by the OP that some are taking to a degree it doesn't need to be taken.

This beckons further questions, though. Are barbers going to have to charge the same for men and women now? What about memberships for "women only" social groups? Where is the line going to be drawn here?
I don't think the barbers would be a suitable example.

Women tend to have more done to their hair and use countless hair products, while guys just have a simple hair cut.

  • 12.21.2012 10:19 AM PDT


Posted by: LeSieg
I absolutely understand. You claim feminism is selective and bigoted as philosophy, and I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. If you feel there's a misunderstanding in what either of us is trying to convey to other, this is as good a chance as any to resolve it. So please, enlighten me.

Nope I am talking about feminists not the principles of feminism. My issue lies with feminists due to a lot of them being sexist. That is simply due to how a lot of them advocate equal rights, but discriminate against rights that do not help them such as paying more money for car insurance.

  • 12.21.2012 10:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: jacob crawford

This beckons further questions, though. Are barbers going to have to charge the same for men and women now? What about memberships for "women only" social groups? Where is the line going to be drawn here?
It's an important and trick question to be sure. On one hand, I believe there's a need to provide women an avenue for working against misogyny and sexism that can't give equal footing to the forces that they're being persecuted by. On the other hand, that's just a stone's throw away from reverse sexism.

In the case of the barber analogy, I think if a woman wanted a buzzcut, she should pay for a buzzcut.

  • 12.21.2012 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
I absolutely understand. You claim feminism is selective and bigoted as philosophy, and I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. If you feel there's a misunderstanding in what either of us is trying to convey to other, this is as good a chance as any to resolve it. So please, enlighten me.

The problem most people have with self-proclaimed 'feminists' is that a percentage of them are in fact sexist, and are misusing the title "feminist".

Also, by that definition, there is a problem. In cases where men are discriminated against, your definition of feminism would not have a problem with the situation.

[Edited on 12.21.2012 10:23 AM PST]

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Good. I hated having to have a much higher insurance policy than my female counterparts.

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Posted by: Dback139

Posted by: Android Spartan
women are better drivers then men.
Women are safer drivers than men. However, men are definitely better at driving.


When I was younger I hated driving with my mother, she was too cautious and it was annoying. Like if someone was waiting to turn out of a store or whatever on a main road she'd ALWAYS slow down because she'd think they were gonna go regardless.
Hell, I let one of my friends sister drive my truck once...never again.

  • 12.21.2012 10:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
I absolutely understand. You claim feminism is selective and bigoted as philosophy, and I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. If you feel there's a misunderstanding in what either of us is trying to convey to other, this is as good a chance as any to resolve it. So please, enlighten me.

Nope I am talking about feminists not the principles of feminism. My issue lies with feminists due to a lot of them being sexist. That is simply due to how a lot of them advocate equal rights, but discriminate against rights that do not help them such as paying more money for car insurance.
Fine, if you want to discredit a movement of social importance because some people misuse the theory for their own hypocrisy than I suppose we should throw out Marxism and all of capitalism. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all religions. Nationalism, federalism, democracy, in fact all theories and philosophies. Name one movement that doesn't have people trying to warp their theories for their benefit.

To get back to feminists and feminism you have to understand that if you allow your interpretation of feminism to be defined by feminists that are nothing but sexists disguised under a different name then you're allowing yourself to indulge in a line of thought that would see all good and useful ideas discredited.

Sexism is bad both ways, but using one's sexism to justify your own is not better.

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I would't say women are "better" drivers but obviously males are more reckless.

  • 12.21.2012 10:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
I absolutely understand. You claim feminism is selective and bigoted as philosophy, and I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. If you feel there's a misunderstanding in what either of us is trying to convey to other, this is as good a chance as any to resolve it. So please, enlighten me.

The problem most people have with self-proclaimed 'feminists' is that a percentage of them are in fact sexist, and are misusing the title "feminist".

Also, by that definition, there is a problem. In cases where men are discriminated against, your definition of feminism would not have a problem with the situation.
For the first point, see my above post.

For the second, you're right that it isn't necessarily the role of the feminist to intervene on the behalf of men when issues of sexism prevent them from equal treatment. But any feminist who truly believes in gender equality for women is by the nature of that belief sympathetic towards equality for men. The funny thing about equality is that it's not exclusive.

To relate this back to the original post, those insurance premiums should have been based on driving records and measures of anticipation that are not discriminatory. So if a group of people were causing more damage than another in a certain area, then it would make sense to charge more. If the basis of charging more is based on discriminatory explanations alone, then it is wrong. It's a tricky subject when trying to categorize people and their behaviors by numbers. You do lose a certain element of the argument in it, so I'm sympathetic to companies that really were trying to make it equal and profitable at the same time.

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: LeSieg
I absolutely understand. You claim feminism is selective and bigoted as philosophy, and I'm trying to show you why you're wrong. If you feel there's a misunderstanding in what either of us is trying to convey to other, this is as good a chance as any to resolve it. So please, enlighten me.

The problem most people have with self-proclaimed 'feminists' is that a percentage of them are in fact sexist, and are misusing the title "feminist".

Also, by that definition, there is a problem. In cases where men are discriminated against, your definition of feminism would not have a problem with the situation.


Feminism is a joke.

feminism to me is those annoying people that want "equal" rights for women but at the same time have no problem -blam!-ing when men do not pull out chairs or hold doors and that kind of thing.
"equal my ass you want to make men lesser.You want to be treated equal, do not expect us to do anything like that since we do not do that for other men.

OT: it is good that they are finally equalizing the insurance rates so it is not based on gender.

[Edited on 12.21.2012 10:38 AM PST]

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