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Subject: Top Story NRA condemns games in wake of Connecticut shooting

I think putting at least one security officer in schools across America would be a good first step... I also think that one of the main focuses on gun control should be in storage.

The number one cause for this tragedy in my mind is that the killer was easily able to get at a weapon, period. He couldn't legally buy a weapon himself, so he "borrowed" unsecured weapons from his mother. Much like if you own a dangerous animal and someone gets hurt as a result of improper containment of said animal, I believe that you should be liable for whatever happens to your weapons, and that improper storage of said weapons would be a felony since you have created a life-threatening hazard to others. I can't think of any realistic home invasion scenario where someone couldn't take the time to put in a 3-number combination before drawing their weapon.

That's my opinion. I think that making it more difficult to purchase weapons won't do anything if weapons are still allowed to be so freely unsecured, and I definitely think that arming every teacher is a horrible, horrible idea.

It wasn't Mass Effect or Obamacare that shot those people, it was a number of guns that were unsecured and freely accessible to the shooter. Period.

[Edited on 12.21.2012 6:49 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2012 6:48 PM PDT

Kids don't need video games to learn about violence or become violent. But I say encourage your kids to pick up an outdoor activity, maybe play a sport and play games in moderation.

  • 12.21.2012 6:51 PM PDT

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This is ridiculous! If video games cause someone to go on a mass murder spree then they have problems to begin with.

  • 12.21.2012 6:57 PM PDT

If violent video games make me a murderer then racing games make me an excellent driver.

  • 12.21.2012 7:03 PM PDT
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I was playing Halo at the age of 9.

Welp, that didn't turn me into a deranged murderer.

  • 12.21.2012 7:06 PM PDT

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Banning guns and video games WON'T solve the issue. Violent movies and TV shows have been around for ages. Gaming is no different in that respect. Regardless of the outside resource, a rational human can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

The same goes with gun control. Banning guns across American won't stop people from getting guns. Did prohibition stop people from drinking? No. It started a war. And while the man that this subject surrounds used weapons that were legally purchased by his own mother (and then murdered her too), most crimes committed with the aid of firearms are instances where the weapon is NOT purchased legally. Putting stricter laws on guns will only apply to law-abiding citizens.

What it ultimately comes down to is culture and nothing more. The only way violence will end is if the people change. Taking away something may make people feel more comfortable, but it will not solve the issue. People would rather blame something else rather than having to blame themselves.

  • 12.21.2012 7:56 PM PDT

What it ultimately comes down to is culture and nothing more.

Bull****.

Prisons keep inmates from escaping, not by convincing them that staying within the confines of the prison is good, but by throwing up sufficient barriers to keep them contained within.

If a significant majority of gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained weapons, serious effort needs to be made to prevent these weapons from being illegally obtained. Tighter control on the weapons coming out, and strict liability for those who own weapons. If your gun gets stolen and it wasn't secured behind a combination lock at the very least, that should be a felony.

  • 12.22.2012 3:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Eternal Moon
Proof video games cause violence and aggressuon.
*sigh* Rose Rose Rose...

Firstly, one study does not constitute "proof"; it's evidence. Second, there are multiple studies that show no, or even the opposite, effect. At best, the general implication is inconclusive.

And correlation does equal causation.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 3:21 AM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 3:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Eternal Moon
Proof video games cause violence and aggressuon.
*sigh* Rose Rose Rose...

Firstly, one study does not constitute "proof"; it's evidence. Second, there are multiple studies that show no, or even the opposite, effect. At best, the general implication is inconclusive.

And correlation does equal causation.


And thirdly...it's the daily mail. They have no credibility.

  • 12.22.2012 3:25 AM PDT

haters gonna hate

Gamers gonna keep on gaming =)

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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Most cases where people are injured by unsecured firearms, the owner is held accountable. In this case, the owner is dead, so how would they go about punishing her?

As for where you said that putting in a 3 digit combination is easy, it is under normal circumstances. Under extreme stress, such as being robbed or shot at, humans will drop from their current frame of mind to the lowest level of training, hence the term "muscle memory." That's the reason that special operations forces have to train in their tactics with their weapon systems almost daily. They don't know how to react because they're consciously thinking through the situation. They react because their reactions have been built through training over months and years.

Trying to do anything under extreme stress becomes nearly impossible. You'll forget the code, shake, get tunnel vision, etc. Probably the most logical step for secure firearm storage is to have a small safe that opens with a fingerprint by your bed, with a side arm, flashlight, and extra magazines. Long guns can be stored in a standard safe. Still, that begs the question: would our system mimic the UK's, and would we be subject to random searches?

Ultimately, firearms are a personal responsibility. It isn't the tool that is dangerous. It's the person operating it.
Posted by: Scottus4
I think putting at least one security officer in schools across America would be a good first step... I also think that one of the main focuses on gun control should be in storage.

The number one cause for this tragedy in my mind is that the killer was easily able to get at a weapon, period. He couldn't legally buy a weapon himself, so he "borrowed" unsecured weapons from his mother. Much like if you own a dangerous animal and someone gets hurt as a result of improper containment of said animal, I believe that you should be liable for whatever happens to your weapons, and that improper storage of said weapons would be a felony since you have created a life-threatening hazard to others. I can't think of any realistic home invasion scenario where someone couldn't take the time to put in a 3-number combination before drawing their weapon.

That's my opinion. I think that making it more difficult to purchase weapons won't do anything if weapons are still allowed to be so freely unsecured, and I definitely think that arming every teacher is a horrible, horrible idea.

It wasn't Mass Effect or Obamacare that shot those people, it was a number of guns that were unsecured and freely accessible to the shooter. Period.

  • 12.22.2012 3:30 AM PDT

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You know, we've circled round this issue of video game violence so many times now I don't even care anymore.

  • 12.22.2012 3:31 AM PDT

It isn't the tool that is dangerous

No... the tool is definitely dangerous.

  • 12.22.2012 3:42 AM PDT

The person who killed those people, along with other shootings have had mental issues. I don't think that shooter games are responsible for acts like this.

  • 12.22.2012 3:45 AM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.


Posted by: Scottus4
It isn't the tool that is dangerous

No... the tool is definitely dangerous.

Only as dangerous as the person using it, and the same goes for literally every tool. It's not the tool that is inherently dangerous, but the manner in which it's used. Hammers, knives, cars, saws, and screwdrivers can all be used to kill, just like a firearm, but most are not used that way.

Hammers are used to put in nails.
Knives are used to cut food.
Saws are used to cut wood.
Screwdrivers are used to put in screws that hold things together.

Cars are used to get from point A to point B quickly, but even accidentally, they cause more deaths than firearms. People believe that firearms are inherently dangerous because they fire a small metal projectile at high speeds. When it really comes down to it, cars are large pieces of metal moving at high speeds. By the logic most people use to associate guns with danger, cars can be labelled dangerous too. By that logic, cars are even more dangerous, and even statistics could argue that.

  • 12.22.2012 3:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
Yup, the rampage killers used games, not guns, to kill all those people. Games kill over 10,000 people every year in the US.


Don't forget Comic books and movies.

Guns are without blame.

  • 12.22.2012 3:56 AM PDT

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its all political crap. there have been studies that suggest both sides of the arguement, it all comes down to whos behind them. if your funding a study and you want positive results you GET positive results and vice versa. i personally dont believe video games make a person go on a murderous rampage. human beings are violent, insane, irrational animals. there will be more shootings in the future, more people will die, and theres nothing we can do to stop it.

thus is the way of the world. people need to understand that fact and stop trying to pin the blame on something or someone else.

  • 12.22.2012 4:04 AM PDT

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Let Sgt. Johnson die on Halo.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt that some people with mental issues could be influenced by violent video games. Then again, so would every other damn thing in social media nowadays.

  • 12.22.2012 4:07 AM PDT

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Wait wait wait wait wait.

So that speech he was making was AGAINST VIDEO GAMES?

I thought it was about how I saw/heard of thousands upon thousands of REAL LIFE deaths through TV.


EDIT: Ah, jumped the gun. It seems to be against a bunch of forms of violence easily avaliable at home.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 4:42 AM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 4:41 AM PDT

I assume Hitler played the Sims, then.

  • 12.22.2012 4:48 AM PDT

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