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Subject: Top celebrities demand a stop to gun violence in video

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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Sergeant omega
This is what you sound like.

Because it doesn't fit what you want, it's utterly incorrect to you.

Protip:Rifles make up less homicides than people using their limbs. Assault weapons as they're define are only a small portion of rifles.

Discuss it with me then rather than getting upset and posting YouTube videos because you're reduced to slinging mud. Gun related deaths (and I'm talking all gun related deaths regardless of motive) are going to be the number one cause of non-medical deaths in the US. Automobiles are going to be killing less people. That's a pretty serious problem.
Actually, you're wrong. In 2010, there were 31,147 gun related deaths, which include about 20,000 suicides, which is a terrible argument in favor of gun control. There were 34,485 vehicle related deaths in 2010.

As far as mudslinging goes, you don't seem to be above it yourself.

Posted by: Vgnut117

Don't waste my time with your bull-blam!-. Take the other side but don't bull-blam!- me with "the gun show loophole" doesn't exist. ..... Give me a -blam!- break. Are you as thick as the NRA PR?



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  • 12.22.2012 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates

Wonder when popular celebrities will stop and take a look at what they spew out of Hollywood.

Guns are far less violent than horror movie gore fests, but guns get the bad rep just for existing.


I am not saying that we should limit free speech. I am merely pointing out the flaming hypocrisy that those in Hollywood spew out of their pie holes.


But hey, maybe they are right, maybe guns are evil. I should be careful next time I go to the range, one of the other shooters there may get mind controlled by their AK-15 5000rpm assault rifle death weapon and kill everyone.

  • 12.22.2012 6:29 PM PDT

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  • 12.22.2012 6:30 PM PDT

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  • 12.22.2012 6:31 PM PDT

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  • 12.22.2012 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant omega

Is that not what I said? All gun related deaths are on their way to overtaking automobile related deaths (and party because automobiles are getting safer to be fair). There's not a one fix solution to all the gun related deaths since they are of different natures. Health care should be brought into any debate about guns since it does relate to, as you've posted, the majority of gun related deaths.

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  • 12.22.2012 6:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant omega

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I already did earlier

  • 12.22.2012 6:41 PM PDT
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not gunna lie i thought the title was "celebrities against gun violence in video games" but that the games got cut off. was about to rage

  • 12.22.2012 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117


Is that not what I said? All gun related deaths are on their way to overtaking automobile related deaths (and party because automobiles are getting safer to be fair).
As I interpreted it, you stated that all gun related deaths are greater than automobile related deaths. I provided evidence that contradicted that.

Otherwise, I'm not going to touch this anymore until I can find firearm deaths per year, because all I can find are are 2009 statistics.


Posted by: Vgnut117
There's not a one fix solution to all the gun related deaths since they are of different natures.
Agreed.



Posted by: Vgnut117
Health care should be brought into any debate about guns since it does relate to, as you've posted, the majority of gun related deaths.
Explain please.

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  • 12.22.2012 6:51 PM PDT
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I hate celebrity logic. "We're beautiful so people will listen to us!".

Not that I'm against it in the slightest. Woo, go gun control, and all that.

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  • 12.22.2012 6:52 PM PDT

We work in the dark to serve the light.

Celebrities say whatever they're paid to say. Moving on.

  • 12.22.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant omega

Going to overtake automobile deaths. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, maybe you missed it. Whatever it is I know automobile deaths are still the biggest non-medical cause of death. This is a quickly changing trend though partly because of rampant gun violence and part because automobiles are getting safer. Point is guns are on the cusp of being the biggest non-medical killer of Americans. That is horrific.

As for greater health care it plays direct and indirect ways into this debate. The first one is obvious and that's addressing mental illness whether it be suicide prevention or keeping the next mentally disturbed individual from massacring children.

Now addressing mental illness is probably something, I'd like to think, obvious to this discussion and not something opposed. The indirect aspect I mentioned, which I'm sure someone may oppose, is an economic one and that's public health insurance (which is still not what Obamacare is when fully implemented) is a form of redistribution. It lifts those up prone to illegal activities that end up causing a portion of those gun related deaths.

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  • 12.22.2012 7:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117
Going to overtake automobile deaths. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, maybe you missed it. Whatever it is I know automobile deaths are still the biggest non-medical cause of death. This is a quickly changing trend though partly because of rampant gun violence and part because automobiles are getting safer. Point is guns are on the cusp of being the biggest non-medical killer of Americans. That is horrific.
Missed that. And while I agree that it's horrific, I agree for different reasons that I value life and feel that needless death for any reason is terrible.


Posted by: Vgnut117
As for greater health care it plays direct and indirect ways into this debate. The first one is obvious and that's addressing mental illness whether it be suicide prevention or keeping the next mentally disturbed individual from massacring children.
Agreed. My opinion is that the state of mental healthcare in the developed world is terrible due to lack of capability to provide care and because of the social stigma that revolves receiving mental healthcare.

Posted by: Vgnut117

Now addressing mental illness is probably something, I'd like to think, obvious to this discussion and not something opposed. The indirect aspect I mentioned, which I'm sure someone may oppose, is an economic one and that's public health insurance (which is still not what Obamacare is when fully implemented) is a form of redistribution. It lifts those up prone to illegal activities that end up causing a portion of those gun related deaths.
Agreed.

  • 12.22.2012 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117



Funny thing is, America has had firearms in the hands of citizens since the Revolutionary War, and yet, 'mass shootings' are only a recent trend in society. This tells me that people with guns are not the problem; The problem lies in what our culture has evolved into along with the lack of mental healthcare screenings and help available.

Banning 'assault weapons', which is a completely stupid liberal designation of those scary black guns, doesn't, and hasn't, done a single thing to reduce gun crime. Hell, it didn't do a damn thing to stop Columbine from taking place. They couldn't get semi-automatic rifles, so they got something else. They even made their own bombs out of propane tanks. Ban propane and propane accessories!!


Banning a weapon that is only used in a minute amount of crime while ignoring that the majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns is exceedingly idiotic.

According to Guns, Crime,and Freedom by Wayne LaPierre, the top ten firearm used in the commission of crimes are the Smith & Wesson .38 Special and .357 revolvers; Raven Arms .25 caliber, Davis P-380 .380 caliber, Ruger .22 caliber, Lorcin L-380 .380 caliber, and Smith & Wesson semi-automatic handguns; Mossberg and Remington 12 gauge shotguns; and the Tec DC-9 9 mm handgun. Notice the lack of any rifles, especially those scary black 'assault weapons'.

The only reason the anti-gun crowd goes after the AR style rifles are because they probably house an unhealthy fear of inanimate objects because it can't be because of their use in crimes.

In this article from the LA Times Circa 2005, the failure of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban is outlined in all it's awful glory. The Washington Times even had an article over it in 2004 that exhibited this qoute:We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence," said the unreleased NIJ report, written by Christopher Koper, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania.


The hoopla about the ban now is simply because children were killed as the result of one lunatic out of 350 million people. Where was this righteous fervor after the VA Tech shooting, or the Aurora Co Shooting? Just because the victim demographic is different somehow makes this event different in some way?

Less than 1/5 of one percent of violent crime is committed with semi-automatic rifles. Yet our lawmakers choose to vilify these firearms based on the actions of a few nut-jobs with violence in their hearts.

There's a way to fix the violence problem in America, but a knee-jerk reaction of banning a certain type of firearm is not the way to do it.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 7:23 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 7:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117



Funny thing is, America has had firearms in the hands of citizens since the Revolutionary War, and yet, 'mass shootings' are only a recent trend in society. This tells me that people with guns are not the problem.

Banning 'assault weapons', which is a completely stupid liberal designation of those scary black guns, doesn't, and hasn't, done a single thing to reduce gun crime. Hell, it didn't do a damn thing to stop Columbine from taking place. They couldn't get semi-automatic rifles, so they got something else. They even made their own bombs out of propane tanks. Ban propane and propane accessories!!


Banning a weapon that is only used in a minute amount of crime while ignoring that the majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns is exceedingly idiotic.

According to Guns, Crime,and Freedom by Wayne LaPierre, the top ten firearm used in the commission of crimes are the Smith & Wesson .38 Special and .357 revolvers; Raven Arms .25 caliber, Davis P-380 .380 caliber, Ruger .22 caliber, Lorcin L-380 .380 caliber, and Smith & Wesson semi-automatic handguns; Mossberg and Remington 12 gauge shotguns; and the Tec DC-9 9 mm handgun. Notice the lack of any rifles.

The only reason the anti-gun crowd goes after the AR style rifles are because they probably house an unhealthy fear of inanimate objects because it can't be because of their use in crimes.

In this article from the LA Times Circa 2005, the failure of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban is outlined in all it's awful glory. The Washington Times even had an article over it in 2004 that exhibited this qoute:We cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence," said the unreleased NIJ report, written by Christopher Koper, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania.


The hoopla about the ban now is simply because children were killed as the result of one lunatic out of 350 million people. Where was this righteous fervor after the VA Tech shooting, or the Aurora Co Shooting? Just because the victim demographic is different somehow makes this event different in some way?

Less than 1/5 of one percent of violent crime is committed with semi-automatic rifles. Yet our lawmakers choose to vilify these firearms based on the actions of a few nut-jobs with violence in their hearts.

There's a way to fix the violence problem in America, but a knee-jerk reaction of banning a certain type of firearm is not the way to do it.


100% correct.

If anti-gunners were to do actual research before they spew their dribble, they would learn just how wrong they are.

  • 12.22.2012 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant omega

Sounds great that we're in agreement about some of these measures. Now what I'd say is adopting gun control isn't something new. If the USA was the first to be doing it then this would be a different discussion. We can look at the USA's counterparts (I'd suggest Canada is the closest country to the US because of their shared history and very similiar culture) and see the effect of gun control. And we're not even talking draconian gun control. You can get a handgun in Canada. You can go hunting. So can we really say it would be to the detriment to adopt similiar gun control legislation to Canada?

  • 12.22.2012 7:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Sergeant omega

Sounds great that we're in agreement about some of these measures. Now what I'd say is adopting gun control isn't something new. If the USA was the first to be doing it then this would be a different discussion. We can look at the USA's counterparts (I'd suggest Canada is the closest country to the US because of their shared history and very similiar culture) and see the effect of gun control. And we're not even talking draconian gun control. You can get a handgun in Canada. You can go hunting. So can we really say it would be to the detriment to adopt similiar gun control legislation to Canada?


Canada had long gun registration. They turned it over this year due to it's immense cost, and failure to reduce crime what so ever.


So, why adopt failed polices?

  • 12.22.2012 7:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Sergeant omega

We can look at the USA's counterparts (I'd suggest Canada is the closest country to the US because of their shared history and very similiar culture) \


You are comparing apples and oranges once again... they are both fruit... but that's about the extent of the similarities.

  • 12.22.2012 7:21 PM PDT

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On a phone now so responses will be sparser and fewer and farther in between.

Anyways, if we were to move closer to another country's style, I would prefer it to be like the Czech Republic.

My reason is because they're the closest country to the US gun culture wise.
Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Sergeant omega

Sounds great that we're in agreement about some of these measures. Now what I'd say is adopting gun control isn't something new. If the USA was the first to be doing it then this would be a different discussion. We can look at the USA's counterparts (I'd suggest Canada is the closest country to the US because of their shared history and very similiar culture) and see the effect of gun control. And we're not even talking draconian gun control. You can get a handgun in Canada. You can go hunting. So can we really say it would be to the detriment to adopt similiar gun control legislation to Canada?


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  • 12.22.2012 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: xGHOST270x
You say mass shooting are only a recent trend therefore people with guns aren't the problem. But why are mass shootings only a fairly recent trend? And not just in the USA but human history. Think about weaponry in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century. How capable were they of committing mass slaughter? How portable were the weapons that could? How accessible?

The point of banning assault weapons is not to stop one person from killing another. That's going to involve a different solution. It's to prevent people from so easily killing masses of people, something impossible through most of history.

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  • 12.22.2012 7:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: SpartanMk18
Canada had long gun registration. They turned it over this year due to it's immense cost, and failure to reduce crime what so ever.


So, why adopt failed polices?

The long gun registry is no longer part of Canadian gun control. I'm not advocating it. I'm advocating the adoption of the framework, as it stands, and tweaking where need be.

  • 12.22.2012 7:27 PM PDT
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Guns are still not the problem. Adam Lanza stole the gun he used for the shooting.


Omg lol. You can't be serious???

Where do you think he stole it from? hahaha

The chance of stealing a gun in Aus in close to zero.

Well, if you went to the gun store in St. Albans around melbourne it would be easy. The only thing guarding it was an old lady selling them

  • 12.22.2012 7:44 PM PDT
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Maybe it's just my conspiratorial mind at work, but I find it awfully strange that these shootings originated no longer than fifteen years ago. I mean, yes, the first few could have been spontaneous, but their frequent nature in today's world seems far worse than coincidental.

There's an element in this country that's clearly out to break down America. Disarming the nation is one of the first steps. And, by pulling the strings of people's hearts (e.g. Sandy Hook massacre), you get an impulsive wave of opposition towards guns.

  • 12.22.2012 7:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: xGHOST270x
You say mass shooting are only a recent trend therefore people with guns aren't the problem. But why are mass shootings only a fairly recent trend? And not just in the USA but human history. Think about weaponry in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century. How capable were they of committing mass slaughter? How portable were the weapons that could? How accessible?


Mass shootings are a recent trend due to the evolving culture, the lack of mental healthcare, the glorification by the national media transforming cold-hearted murders into anti-heroes, along with the absence of education with weaponry and the morals ( or lack thereof) needed to use them.

I think we all can agree that if someone carries out an attack of such nature, something is wrong with them. The lack of supervision and assistance, and in some cases pure ignorance to the condition to such individuals creates an unstable environment that can drive such a person to do unspeakable things.


The point of banning assault weapons is not to stop one person from killing another. That's going to involve a different solution. It's to prevent people from so easily killing masses of people, something impossible through most of history.


If you wish to prevent people from destroying each other, either nuke the entire world, or put everyone in padded rooms. It's just nor possible. It can be helped,it can be prevented using reasonable and effective methods, but banning a weapon used in less than 0.02% of crime is not the way to go about it.

The Oklahoma City Bombing killed more people than the 8 worst mass shooting in US history combined, while using fertilizer, diesel fuel, and nitro-methane, all of which can be bought easily.

Chemical and biological warfare by themselves killed millions of people in relatively recent history. Saddam Hussein liked chemical weaponry, where as the Native Americans were wiped out with biological attacks over a century ago. The type of weaponry used is irrelevant.

Also, please quit using the term 'assault weapon', for it means nothing. Semi-automatic weapons, as they should be called, have no predisposition to 'killing' over any other weapon type. In fact, as shown by my earlier sources, handguns are used far more and kill many more than semi-auto rifles. Banning something because you fear it on how it looks rather than how it functions and relevant data on actual usage is horrifyingly asinine.

  • 12.22.2012 7:54 PM PDT

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