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Subject: discussion value!

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.

Threads have to have discussion value, or else they're spam, right?

But what is discussion value? If a thread is asking you which video game females you have a crush on, is that really promoting discussion - or at least, the kind of discussion you want to promote? It's not like moderators don't make the distinction elsewhere - after all, they ban people for trying to discuss politics or religion on the mains. So why not ban discussions about what your favourite colour is, or your favourite type of pizza topping? Are those really discussions worth having? Aren't they really just spam?

Basically, where do you think the line should be drawn? If an AMA doesn't promote discussion, can you really say a "how old are you?" thread does? And if a thread about accents does promote discussion, can you really say threads that ask other binary questions don't?

[Edited on 12.22.2012 7:22 PM PST by Old Papa Rich]

  • 12.22.2012 3:40 PM PDT
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What qualifies as discussion value to moderators on this site depends on who you are and the reactions people have to you. Always has.

  • 12.22.2012 3:45 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Basically, where do you think the line should be drawn? If an AMA doesn't promote discussion, can you really say a "how old are you?" thread does?


Those threads are generally locked

If a thread breaks the rules, no matter how much discussion value it has, it will be locked.

  • 12.22.2012 3:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Basically, where do you think the line should be drawn? If an AMA doesn't promote discussion, can you really say a "how old are you?" thread does?


Those threads are generally locked

If a thread breaks the rules, no matter how much discussion value it has, it will be locked.
Which threads? How old are you threads, or AMAs? Because anyone who has been here more than a few weeks knows that plenty examples of both of those go untouched all the time.

  • 12.22.2012 3:51 PM PDT

A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal.

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Basically, where do you think the line should be drawn? If an AMA doesn't promote discussion, can you really say a "how old are you?" thread does?


Those threads are generally locked

If a thread breaks the rules, no matter how much discussion value it has, it will be locked.
Which threads? How old are you threads, or AMAs? Because anyone who has been here more than a few weeks knows that plenty examples of both of those go untouched all the time.


AMA?

  • 12.22.2012 3:52 PM PDT

Who am I?

mah twitter

I had a "vs. thread" locked because it "didn't promote discussion". It had already gone 6 pages before that, so I really have no idea what the "new threads should promote discussion" rule is supposed to mean. Also got a warning for that which is ridiculous if you ask me. How does a thread go 6 pages if it doesn't promote discussion?

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  • 12.22.2012 3:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
So why not ban discussions about what your favourite colour is, or your favourite type of pizza topping? Are those really discussions worth having?


Well the internet is supposed to be a fun place to be, people can discuss whatever they want with a few exceptions. Talking about your favourite pizza toppings offends nobody especially as you don't even have to click on the thread.

  • 12.22.2012 3:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
So why not ban discussions about what your favourite colour is, or your favourite type of pizza topping? Are those really discussions worth having?


Well the internet is supposed to be a fun place to be, people can discuss whatever they want with a few exceptions. Talking about your favourite pizza toppings offends nobody especially as you don't even have to click on the thread.
You don't have to click on any thread, do you? There are people whose threads I find inane and pointless, so I just don't click on them. Easy. And yet, other people seem to find it very difficult to do the same.

  • 12.22.2012 3:56 PM PDT

I want her...

I just assumed making threads about specific users are against the rules and an "AMA" would be about a specific user so umm is against the rules or something


I need more wine.

  • 12.22.2012 3:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
You don't have to click on any thread, do you?


No

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  • 12.22.2012 3:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Harlow
What qualifies as discussion value to moderators on this site depends on who you are and the reactions people have to you. Always has.

Basically this. Mods all have diffrent views on what "discussion is". They also tend to be the people's champion and ban/lock those who kerfuffle the public.

  • 12.22.2012 3:58 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Basically, where do you think the line should be drawn? If an AMA doesn't promote discussion, can you really say a "how old are you?" thread does?


Those threads are generally locked

If a thread breaks the rules, no matter how much discussion value it has, it will be locked.
Which threads? How old are you threads, or AMAs? Because anyone who has been here more than a few weeks knows that plenty examples of both of those go untouched all the time.


I see threads of that nature get locked a lot.

The fact is they have all been done before and are obvious troll/flame bait.

AMAs normally get locked because they are either fake or trolls (like something stupid like "ask an xbox player anything")

  • 12.22.2012 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: spartain ken 15

AMAs normally get locked because they are either fake or trolls (like something stupid like "ask an xbox player anything")
And if they aren't?

  • 12.22.2012 4:08 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: spartain ken 15

AMAs normally get locked because they are either fake or trolls (like something stupid like "ask an xbox player anything")
And if they aren't?


Then I assume it would not be locked. Blog posts are okay if it isn't about the person but about what they do or advice they have.

For example, 7 year threads are okay if you give your insight on how the community has changed and your advice about Bungie.net.

But on the Flood, I have never seen a truly interesting nor accurate AMA.

  • 12.22.2012 4:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Vines Wrap
OP is butthurt her attention whoring thread got locked.
Plenty of my threads don't get locked, I think I'm gonna be okay.

But I love it when people can't stop talking about me, so please continue. :)

  • 12.22.2012 4:13 PM PDT

Who am I?

mah twitter


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: spartain ken 15

AMAs normally get locked because they are either fake or trolls (like something stupid like "ask an xbox player anything")
And if they aren't?


Then I assume it would not be locked. Blog posts are okay if it isn't about the person but about what they do or advice they have.

For example, 7 year threads are okay if you give your insight on how the community has changed and your advice about Bungie.net.

But on the Flood, I have never seen a truly interesting nor accurate AMA.
Maybe AMA threads should be posted here then? We have those community joe interviews here too, they aren't interesting at all, but apparently there's nothing wrong with them.

  • 12.22.2012 4:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
- after all, they ban people for trying to discuss politics or religion on the mains. So why not ban discussions about what your favourite colour is, or your favourite type of pizza topping?

Are you serious right now? People aren't going to rip each other apart over a color or pizza.
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Basically, where do you think the line should be drawn? If an AMA doesn't promote discussion, can you really say a "how old are you?" thread does? And if a thread about accents does promote discussion, can you really say threads that ask other binary questions don't?
I think all attention whoring threads are spam. And one word answer threads I consider spam. The only time a one word answer is ok is if it's posted in the voting booth. That's my opinion anyways.

  • 12.22.2012 4:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Make117
Maybe AMA threads should be posted here then? We have those community joe interviews here too, they aren't interesting at all, but apparently there's nothing wrong with them.


Nah, they're locked here too if you're the wrong person. All comes back to this:

Posted by: Harlow
What qualifies as discussion value to moderators on this site depends on who you are and the reactions people have to you. Always has.

  • 12.22.2012 4:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Verachi
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
- after all, they ban people for trying to discuss politics or religion on the mains. So why not ban discussions about what your favourite colour is, or your favourite type of pizza topping?

Are you serious right now? People aren't going to rip each other apart over a color or pizza.
My point is that empty discussions seem to me to be just as detrimental to a forum's quality as overly heated ones.

  • 12.22.2012 4:16 PM PDT

Key

Your entire post is a straw-man argument; those kinds of threads DO get locked.

  • 12.22.2012 4:19 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

One word replies, or even answers of limited discussion aren't really that damaging to the community, especially in the flood, where small talk is part of flood culture. Larger, more in depth threads tend to be for here and the universe forum.

Much like what Verachi said, discussion value is when you can make a coherent reply without it being spam. Also, the "whatever I say it is" response would probably work the best, from the view of the moderator. In regards to the female gamer discussion, sure, that promotes discussion I suppose. The reason a thread like that would be allowed would be due to the fact it isn't against the rules, unless it was deemed spam for whatever reason, such as thread derailment and/or flaming.

Discussion is, more or less, whatever the repliers of a thread make of it, and it the moderators in question view it as appropriate, etc.

  • 12.22.2012 4:26 PM PDT

Owning Noobs Since 05

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers."

Jim Harkins

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Are you serious right now? People aren't going to rip each other apart over a color or pizza.[/quote]My point is that empty discussions seem to me to be just as detrimental to a forum's quality as overly heated ones.

So your worried about the floods image being damaged by color/silly/offtopic threads? Rofl waffles! (And yes I'm assuming your talking about the flood)

  • 12.22.2012 4:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Your entire post is a straw-man argument; those kinds of threads DO get locked.
Not always, not by everyone.

Consistency is hard when three different rule enforcers will enforce the rules in three different ways. It's nobody's fault - that's the price you pay when you leave the enforcement of any law up to human judgement. The alternative - automating all rule enforcement - is obviously not the answer.

  • 12.22.2012 4:30 PM PDT

Owning Noobs Since 05

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers."

Jim Harkins

If you disagree with your thread being locked you can always talk to the mod about it.
Posted by: Harlow
Nah, they're locked here too if you're the wrong person. All comes back to this:

Posted by: Harlow
What qualifies as discussion value to moderators on this site depends on who you are and the reactions people have to you. Always has.

There's a cream for that.

  • 12.22.2012 4:31 PM PDT

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