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Subject: ~~~discussion value!~~~

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Discussion: talk about something with another.
Talk: express information, feelings or ideas.
Express: convey in words.

Conclusively; provided a user posts, in words, some form of information to another user, then there is discussion value.

  • 12.22.2012 4:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Your entire post is a straw-man argument; those kinds of threads DO get locked.
Not always, not by everyone.

Consistency is hard when three different rule enforcers will enforce the rules in three different ways. It's nobody's fault - that's the price you pay when you leave the enforcement of any law up to human judgement. The alternative - automating all rule enforcement - is obviously not the answer.
If what you're looking for is constant and consistent objectivity in the moderation of these forums, you're going to be looking for the rest of your natural life and maybe a bit into your supernatural one.

My point was, and is, that the types of threads you were giving as examples of 'outrages' of sorts in that they weren't being locked, yet should be locked, and thus were creating an inconsistent precedent for forumgoers is an inaccurate interpretation of the actual situation, in my opinion, as the threads you discussed I have seen getting locked. The assumption that, because some of them don't get locked that that means anything less than a mod just didn't see or didn't care about them, is just ignorant.

The holder of that opinion? Probably not. The assumption itself however? Most definitely.

  • 12.22.2012 6:42 PM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

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Discussion: talk about something with another.
Talk: express information, feelings or ideas.
Express: convey in words.

Conclusively; provided a user posts, in words, some form of information to another user, then there is discussion value.

  • 12.22.2012 6:48 PM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

I'm reading a lot of conflicting opinions here. OP (and others), I have to ask... What is it you're trying to accomplish by presenting the idea that there are many subjective definitions of "discussion value" based on many differentiating perceptions?

It's almost a question that doesn't need to be asked, because anyone with common sense would realize that ones idea of discussion value ultimately lies in their perception and what they desire to discuss. Looking for a consensus may seems reasonable if you wish, but also somewhat irrelevant considering people will participate and discuss what they went, and when they want. If it breaks the rules, then it breaks the rules.

Also, why the hell did you put a bunch of tilde characters in your thread title? Completely unnecessary, no?

[Edited on 12.22.2012 6:54 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Helveck
Also, why the hell did you put a bunch of tilde characters in your thread title? Completely unnecessary, no?
Tweeting about it certainly is.

  • 12.22.2012 7:06 PM PDT
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If you can talk about it, and discuss it with others, does it have value.

  • 12.22.2012 7:14 PM PDT
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Discussion value is utterly subjective. Moderators here are encouraged to use their judgement. To me, using discussion value to lock a thread says "this thread makes me uneasy. I don't trust where it is going. It's in some gray area and I'm cutting it off."

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Posted by: Helveck
Also, why the hell did you put a bunch of tilde characters in your thread title? Completely unnecessary, no?
Tweeting about it certainly is.
There. We can drop it.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 7:29 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 7:23 PM PDT
Subject: ~~~discussion value!~~~

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Helveck
I'm reading a lot of conflicting opinions here. OP (and others), I have to ask... What is it you're trying to accomplish by presenting the idea that there are many subjective definitions of "discussion value" based on many differentiating perceptions?

It's almost a question that doesn't need to be asked, because anyone with common sense would realize that ones idea of discussion value ultimately lies in their perception and what they desire to discuss. Looking for a consensus may seems reasonable if you wish, but also somewhat irrelevant considering people will participate and discuss what they went, and when they want. If it breaks the rules, then it breaks the rules.

Also, why the hell did you put a bunch of tilde characters in your thread title? Completely unnecessary, no?
Well, I think it'd probably be beneficial to users if "discussion value" were more concretely defined in relation to the rules so that people don't inadvertently break the rules, or complain when they think other people have broken the rules when they actually ~~~haven't~~~.

  • 12.22.2012 7:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Discussion value is utterly subjective. Moderators here are encouraged to use their judgement. To me, using discussion value to lock a thread says "this thread makes me uneasy. I don't trust where it is going. It's in some gray area and I'm cutting it off."
I understand this, because I've used it as a criterion when moderating in private groups in the past. If I can see the thread's heading in a direction that will end in carpet bans and hurt members, I might lock it anyway. (Of course, I am a terrible moderator and sometimes leave such threads open for my entertainment, which I guess ninjas can't or at least shouldn't do. :P)

[Edited on 12.22.2012 7:38 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 7:34 PM PDT
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Its because of the title that the person has gives that person more freedom.

  • 12.22.2012 7:36 PM PDT
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@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Well Rich just gave you a bit more insight.

Now that you have stated you wished for discussion value to be more concretely defined, I'm going to take a gamble in explaining why you won't ever get that more "concrete" answer...

As I mentioned in my previous post, people's perceptions on what sort of discussions hold value, all differ across the board. No guideline will ever be laid out, because then it prevents moderators from using any form of discretion. No one can speak for everyone in saying "This is what discussion value will be", so you will never get that one solidified explanation, and for good reason.

If you're worried about someone getting in trouble for breaking a rule because they're new, or uncertain, it's always okay to ask a moderator or memeber if the thread in question has been done before and or is tolerated. If a new member posts without clarifying, almost all moderators exercise reasonable judgement and merely lock the thread, without punishing the member. At which time, the member will see for future reference, what not to post.

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  • 12.22.2012 7:38 PM PDT

There is a bit of a gray area with discussion value, and as far as I know the ninjas are being very lax about it in this time of darkness.

  • 12.22.2012 7:45 PM PDT

How else will we know what video game character they have a crush on?

  • 12.22.2012 7:51 PM PDT

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Discussion value stems from the ability of a topic, singular in nature, to spur conversation between users on said topic. If a thread doesn't develop conversation between all users on a topic, where users can actively engage one another and converse, it doesn't have discussion value.

Therefore, an AMA thread for example, doesn't promote discussion between all users in the thread as it instead promotes discussion between a question poser and the original poster (something more suitable for private messages or instead hold an AMA in groups). Moreover, it is inherently topic-less, relying on future users to give it a grounded topic.

Obviously, these are just my opinions on the matter. And, I find that OPR is right. The man is Gandalf and wise beyond his years. Threads without established topics for discussion tread into grey areas and ultimately tend to devolve into conflicts, harassment disputes, and general ugliness.



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  • 12.22.2012 7:53 PM PDT

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The man is Gandalf and wise beyond his years.


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

That's really wise.

  • 12.22.2012 8:06 PM PDT
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I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

An AMA thread promotes discussion between two people - The OP and the reader. There isn't any promotion of discussion between readers, thus making it a stale OP centric thread.

A thread asking how old you are doesn't promote any sort of discussion, either.

Edit- I should read the entire thread before replying. Out BR'd by revan.

-blam!-.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 8:09 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 8:09 PM PDT

He's right on top of us! I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using...

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Whenever the topic of discussion value comes up, all I can think of is "chickpeas - neither chicks, nor peas. Discuss."

And more OT...I dont think 'discussion value' has to be so overt in a thread. Discussion is such a serious sounding concept.

This site has always had more of a kibitzing feel than one of discussion, though discussion happens from time to time.

Like this thread.

Edit: the first definition of kivvitz (if you dont know the word). The second meaning is rare anyway - though unwanted advice is something that occasionally happens here.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 9:06 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 9:04 PM PDT


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
If a thread is asking you which video game females you have a crush on,

my waifu

Personally, i think threads should only be made if they are assured over 30 posts, because then they have some sort of discussion. Or people are just calling the OP or someone else a tool which is just as fun.

  • 12.22.2012 9:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Posted by: x Lord Revan x
The man is Gandalf and wise beyond his years.


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

That's really wise.
:-/

  • 12.22.2012 9:27 PM PDT

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