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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?

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Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: xAT 117x
-Reproductive Choices (i.e if a woman chooses to keep an unplanned pregnancy instead of abortion the man has no say in it.)


That's not discrimination. On the other points, most feminists will agree with you.


Whilst, granted I can't see a way around it, it does completely ignore the opinion of the father. What about the reverse scenario where a woman wants the abortion but the father wants the baby?

I'm not actually sure where I stand on this point, but it does raise the issue of women getting special treatment based on their biology.


Lastly, I have yet to hear a feminist agree with any of those points. And it could be said that if a feminist is truly for the equality of both sexes they should call themselves a humanist instead of a feminist.


  • 12.23.2012 3:34 AM PDT

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I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


No, modern feminists want women to have more rights than men.
Do they? Can you cite examples?


I take no responsibility on your mental state after watching this.

  • 12.23.2012 3:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: xAT 117x
Whilst, granted I can't see a way around it, it does completely ignore the opinion of the father. What about the reverse scenario where a woman wants the abortion but the father wants the baby?

I'm not actually sure where I stand on this point, but it does raise the issue of women getting special treatment based on their biology.


It's nothing to do with discrimination, the fact is simply that it's the woman's body, and so the man has no choice. It would be the same if -blam!- men could get pregnant: while his partner may be able to consult with him to discuss their option, it is ultimately the choice of the guy with the foetus in him.


Lastly, I have yet to hear a feminist agree with any of those points.

You're hearing (or seeing) one agree right now.

And it could be said that if a feminist is truly for the equality of both sexes they should call themselves a humanist instead of a feminist.

I call myself both.

  • 12.23.2012 3:39 AM PDT


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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


>Feminists
>Equal Rights

Pick one.

  • 12.23.2012 3:47 AM PDT

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There will never be "equality" for any sex. Women can get things that men can't purely because they are women, it's just the way the world works. And this works both ways or course.

Personally, I don't know what feminists are smoking because females in my opinion are not that unequal at all.

  • 12.23.2012 3:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: cameo_cream
Personally, I don't know what feminists are smoking because females in my opinion are not that unequal at all.


It's not just about what disadvantages women, it's about all of the negative effects of living in a patriarchal society.

  • 12.23.2012 3:58 AM PDT


Posted by: I Em I Raptor
how many feminist does it take to screw in a lightbulb

>12
>one to screw it in
>one to excoriate men for creating a need for illumination
>one to blame men for creating such faulty means of illumination
>one to suggest that "screwing" the light bulb in is a bit too "ra­pe-like"
>one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic
>one to blame men for not changing the lighbulb
>one to blame men for trying to change the lightbulb and not letting women do it
>one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing lightbulbs.
>one to blame men for creating a society where women change to many lightbulbs
>one to advocate that lightbulb changers should wage parity with electricians
>one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men
>one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog as evidence that men are unnecessa

  • 12.23.2012 4:08 AM PDT

Tej~


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: cameo_cream
Personally, I don't know what feminists are smoking because females in my opinion are not that unequal at all.


It's not just about what disadvantages women, it's about all of the negative effects of living in a patriarchal society.
So it's a good thing that we don't live in a patriarchy anymore.

I get that feminists want equality, but focusing only on themselves, especially when they have plenty of rights and advantages that men don't is just absurd.

  • 12.23.2012 4:10 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
So it's a good thing that we don't live in a patriarchy anymore.

I get that feminists want equality, but focusing only on themselves, especially when they have plenty of rights and advantages that men don't is just absurd.


Didn't you read the post you just replied to? It's not about only tackling the disadvantages women face due to patriarchy.

  • 12.23.2012 4:13 AM PDT


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
It's interesting how much people ITT are underrating social pressures and stigmas.

I did three years of med school. You know what I got asked by almost every single patient over 50 that I ever saw in that time? "Oh, you're studying medicine? So you're going to be a nurse?"

Stethoscope around my neck, big ol' badge attached to my blouse reading "MEDICAL STUDENT" in capital letters. Never ever happened to my male classmates. I wonder why?

One in four women will be -blam!-ly assaulted in her lifetime - that's in the United States alone, by the way - one in five women will be raped. The overwhelming majority of domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women. Women are paid seventy-five percent of what men are paid in equivalent positions. These are all facts. We have politicians who can claim that there are distinctions between "legitimate -blam!-" and other kinds , that pregnancy from -blam!- is a "gift from God", and that some women just "-blam!- easy". These are elected officials, by the way, not random people on the street. Rush Limbaugh - hardly respected amongst the majority of sensible thinkers, but a guy who rakes in the zillions in advertising dollars per year - accused Sandra Fluke of "having so much sex she can't afford the contraception" despite the fact that that's not even how the contraceptive pill works. These are all facts, too - easily researched, widely undisputed facts.

Now, do I want women to make more than men? Nope. Actually, I plan to marry a guy who will probably make more than me by virtue of his choice of career. Do I think women should "turn the tables" and beat men? I sure as hell don't. My mother hit my father, and I've never forgiven her for it. Do I think -blam!- against men doesn't happen, or that it's not as serious? Hell no. All -blam!- is serious, and honestly, men are harmed just as much by -blam!- myths as women are, because the myth is that men can't get raped and that they deserve to be laughed at when they are. These are all things I'm very vocal about in my activism. Many third wave feminists are the same.

The thing is, if every feminist were to pack up and go home tomorrow, men would hurt for it. They'd hurt for it every time they were trashed by their friends for not liking sports or for showing their emotions or for daring to wear the colour pink. They'd hurt for it as victims of domestic violence and -blam!- assault. They'd hurt for it in family court, where judges give women custody even if they don't deserve it because the societal perception of men is that they aren't nurturing because that's weak female -blam!-. And that would make me sad for every single man in my life that I love and cherish and want to be happy. But all those things considered, they'd still be better off than women. And that, no matter which way you swing it, isn't fair, not to anyone.

  • 12.23.2012 4:22 AM PDT

Tej~


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
So it's a good thing that we don't live in a patriarchy anymore.

I get that feminists want equality, but focusing only on themselves, especially when they have plenty of rights and advantages that men don't is just absurd.


Didn't you read the post you just replied to? It's not about only tackling the disadvantages women face due to patriarchy.
I did, I know that, and I didn't say it was, all I said was that the patriarchy no longer exists.

  • 12.23.2012 4:23 AM PDT

Recon Number 54 -
If they are still looking, then while holding the snarl, I let drool start to drip from my mouth, I stand, curl my fingers into claws and with a hunched over crouch, I then make slow and deliberate steps towards them. When I get close enough, I let them hear my agonized and gasping growls and then, if they continue to stare, when I get within arm's reach? I kiss them on the nose, and run away giggling.

Feminists want equal rights to men, that is fine. Radical Feminists are the ones that give the entire group a bad name.
This is because they want more rights than men or to be 'more equal.'

And also, I think that the way things are is fair enough.

If women complain about getting less pay, then they can trade their preference in child custody to get that extra pay.

Example - Fathers for Justice

What about getting away with Murder?

PMS reduced Murder to Manslaughter

Perhaps to make things equal, all male crimes can be blamed on Testosterone and thus given lighter sentences.

But I didn't hear any feminists decry this as retarded.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 4:31 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 4:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
Didn't you read the post you just replied to? It's not about only tackling the disadvantages women face due to patriarchy.[/quote]I did, I know that, and I didn't say it was, all I said was that the patriarchy no longer exists.


Well, no, patriarchy definitely exists, though in a watered down and more implicit state than it has in the past, or continues to in places like Saudi Arabia. Even if you don't acknowledge the social pressures that discourage ambition in women and encourage power in men, you must at least realise that the majority of economically and politically powerful positions in the world are held by men, not women.

Posted by: culexus
Feminists want equal rights to men, that is fine. Radical Feminists are the ones that give the entire group a bad name.
This is because they want more rights than men or to be 'more equal.'


You're misusing the term 'radical feminism'.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 4:33 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 4:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Billygoat456
I'll bring the tritium laser cutters if you bring the beer!

Funny story.

I'm not in favour of a sexist paradigm, either called yourself a humanist/egalitarian or leave me alone.

  • 12.23.2012 4:30 AM PDT
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Feminism has been hijacked (at least a little) by man haters.

They make feminism look as though it is a 'sexist against men' movement.

I support equal rights for women, but I cannot say that I support feminism just because I think people will misunderstand what I mean.

  • 12.23.2012 4:34 AM PDT

Recon Number 54 -
If they are still looking, then while holding the snarl, I let drool start to drip from my mouth, I stand, curl my fingers into claws and with a hunched over crouch, I then make slow and deliberate steps towards them. When I get close enough, I let them hear my agonized and gasping growls and then, if they continue to stare, when I get within arm's reach? I kiss them on the nose, and run away giggling.


Posted by: Seggi31

Posted by: culexus
Feminists want equal rights to men, that is fine. Radical Feminists are the ones that give the entire group a bad name.
This is because they want more rights than men or to be 'more equal.'


You're misusing the term 'radical feminism'.


How so?

Radical ones are the kind who want to castrate the male population and force the race into some sort of twisted Matriarchy.

  • 12.23.2012 4:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: JFKES
Feminism has been hijacked (at least a little) by man haters.

They make feminism look as though it is a 'sexist against men' movement.


People always say this, but, funnily enough, I've never met any of these supposed 'man haters'. Considering that I've encountered quite a few different feminist circles in one of the most progressive cities in Australia, these 'man haters' must constitute a rather slim amount of the feminist movement.

Posted by: culexus
How so?

Radical ones are the kind who want to castrate the male population and force the race into some sort of twisted Matriarchy.


No, those people don't exist. Radical feminism is a legitimate perspective within feminism that aims to analyse and deconstruct the patriarchal elements of society.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 4:42 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 4:39 AM PDT
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because feminists are ugly.

Plus men and women are already equal, they need to stop deluding themselves.

  • 12.23.2012 4:45 AM PDT

Tej~

Sorry about this but seeing as it's almost 2 in the morning, I think i'll sleep after this post.
Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
Didn't you read the post you just replied to? It's not about only tackling the disadvantages women face due to patriarchy.[/quote]I did, I know that, and I didn't say it was, all I said was that the patriarchy no longer exists.


Well, no, patriarchy definitely exists, though in a watered down and more implicit state than it has in the past, or continues to in places like Saudi Arabia. Even if you don't acknowledge the social pressures that discourage ambition in women and encourage power in men, you must at least realise that the majority of economically and politically powerful positions in the world are held by men, not women.


In 1st world countries? Not seeing it (at least where i live)

In 3rd world countries? Those places are broken in damn near every aspect.

Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries? I agree but i'm not talking about those places.
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Now this is getting murky, if it was 50+ years ago then I'd agree that the main reason for women not being in powerful positions is because they're women, but now? There's a million reasons why, I'm inclined to say it's because they choose not to(although they're certainly are capable of doing so( look at Australia and New Zealand, they both have/had Female prime ministers))

[Edited on 12.23.2012 4:46 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 4:46 AM PDT

Feminists: Want equality, demand special treatment.

  • 12.23.2012 4:50 AM PDT
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Do you have to be female to be a feminist?

  • 12.23.2012 4:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: JFKES
Feminism has been hijacked (at least a little) by man haters.

They make feminism look as though it is a 'sexist against men' movement.

People always say this, but, funnily enough, I've never met any of these supposed 'man haters'. Considering that I've encountered quite a few different feminist circles in one of the most progressive cities in Australia, these 'man haters' must constitute a rather slim amount of the feminist movement.
That is true, but they present a vocal minority.

This is especially true in the subject I am studying: philosophy.

  • 12.23.2012 4:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: SunGlassed Skunk
Now this is getting murky, if it was 50+ years ago then I'd agree that the main reason for women not being in powerful positions is because they're women, but now? There's a million reasons why, I'm inclined to say it's because they choose not to(although they're certainly are capable of doing so( look at Australia and New Zealand, they both have/had Female prime ministers))


Women 'choose' not to assume positions of political or economic power because they're discouraged from assuming power. Women are encouraged from childhood by social pressures to meet a man and raise a family where men are encouraged to get a good job. Ambitious women are seen as unattractive or unpleasant. This kind of pressure isn't as prominent it used to be, but it definitely still exists.

I said before that people, in general, cannot make meaningful decisions that contradict social expectations, and these 'social expectations' enforce the idea that women should not be in positions of power. That's what patriarchy is.

And, just for the record, here in Australia, while our Prime Minister is a woman (And that marks a grand total of one female prime minister), the majority of MPs are still men.

Posted by: brandorobot
Do you have to be female to be a feminist?


I think that was a relatively prominent view in second wave feminism (hence 'profeminism'), but that it's largely died out in the last couple of decades. I consider myself a feminist, and I know plenty of other men who do, too.

Posted by: BF117HALO
Feminists: Want equality, demand special treatment.


Nope, nobody's demanding special treatment.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 5:04 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 5:01 AM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


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It's only a dirty word because of people who lack knowing the definition of it.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 5:48 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 5:48 AM PDT


Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


No, modern feminists want women to have more rights than men.
Want the rights of men but not the responsibilities.

  • 12.23.2012 6:02 AM PDT