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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?

I consider myself a feminist, because I would like equality of the sexes in both law and society. The problem is, these "extremist" "feminists" seem to have tainted the term. The obvious bias towards or even hatred of men is absolutely ridiculous.

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  • 12.22.2012 8:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Statefarm98
So you asked us to name females who go way overboard on feminism and then you say that the ones we show you don't count.

K.

What did you expect Jay to do?

  • 12.22.2012 8:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: Statefarm98
So you asked us to name females who go way overboard on feminism and then you say that the ones we show you don't count.

K.


Reading the excerpts of that blog post, do you actually think those are real things that a real person is genuinely suggesting?

Posted by: ABotelho
I consider myself a feminist, because I would like equality of the sexes in both law and society. The problem is, these "extremist" "feminists" seem to have tainted the term. The obvious bias towards or even hatred of men is absolutely ridiculous.


Yes, I also get my understanding of the modern feminist movement from 4chan.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 8:24 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA



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  • 12.22.2012 8:23 PM PDT


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Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: LeSieg
be willing to engage in a movement that helps to bring women and all other marginalized peoples to the equal footing they deserve.


Women dont have equal rights right now?

Last time I checked, A woman can do anything I can do.

Except dunk a basketball of course.
they don't get apaid as much, and then there are the gender roles.


they get paid as much as their company deems them to be worth.



Is it usually a decent amount of money? If I get offered like 50 grand a year for a job I'm good. I can work with that. I'm simple.

  • 12.22.2012 8:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: ABotelho
I consider myself a feminist, because I would like equality of the sexes in both law and society. The problem is, these "extremist" "feminists" seem to have tainted the term. The obvious bias towards or even hatred of men is absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly.

  • 12.22.2012 8:24 PM PDT

I r guy who gun to teach u lesson


Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: Statefarm98

Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Statefarm98

This girl?
No more a feminist for hating men than I am a published writer for writing blog posts on the internet.

Come on, now. She's a walking, talking straw man. Try harder.

Posted by: DatDudeBV

Isnt she the woman who was a founding member of the New York Radical Women? Or am I thinking of the wrong person?
Are we going to act like second wave is still relevant today?


So you asked us to name females who go way overboard on feminism and then you say that the ones we show you don't count.

K.
While jay's debating skills may not be satisfying to you, consider that point trying to be made.

There is absolutely no theory or philosophy out there that doesn't have hypocritical followers who twist it and make it useless for its intended purpose. If you are to judge how quality a belief is by the people that misinterpret it, you are going to see only cynicism and sadness out of everything.

Democracy, Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism, Capitalism, Marxism. Those are all theories and beliefs with followers who twist it and selectively interpret it for their own benefit, thus damaging the credibility for everyone else. I don't judge Christians by Westboro Baptists, nor do I judge Atheists for some pig-headed bigots that I see persecuting others. I know there is legitimacy in their thought and wisdom to be gained form understanding all viewpoints.


Well duh. I never said that all feminists are bad or its a dirty word. She just asked for a someone who is an awful, crazy, extreme feminist and I linked one.

Guys, we are all forgetting something here. Not to get political, but Romney has BINDERS full of woman, that's got to say something.

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Can a single person ITT name a "radical feminist" other than Germaine Greer? Just one. Just a single one.


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Mainstream feminism is a joke. The idea of equality between genders is more than appropriate but the movement is a pathetic attempt at change.

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Because it never takes a shower.

  • 12.22.2012 8:25 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh


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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: Elastics
You're not paid less.

Can I get a neutral third party source on that?

Here is Canada. Women are getting university degrees, but they are in the social sciences, and arts. The fields of economics, business and commerce, and the sciences are still male dominated. (Including: chemistry, engineering, bioengineering, etc)

Thank you.


Not a problem. Further article by the Globe and Mail on the subject of women in engineering. Were there any specific stats or infographics you were looking for on the matter?

  • 12.22.2012 8:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: LeSieg

Democracy, Christianity, Buddhism, Atheism, Capitalism, Marxism. Those are all theories and beliefs with followers who twist it and selectively interpret it for their own benefit, thus damaging the credibility for everyone else. I don't judge Christians by Westboro Baptists, nor do I judge Atheists for some pig-headed bigots that I see persecuting others. I know there is legitimacy in their thought and wisdom to be gained form understanding all viewpoints.
Precisely.

I mean, we don't judge the Flood by John Cena. XD

Okay, now I really am going to play video games.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 8:27 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 8:26 PM PDT

There are bad seeds in every group.

  • 12.22.2012 8:32 PM PDT

The Wonderful LeSieg!


Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: LeSieg
Women are paid less, aren't given the same benefits as men in many situations, are considered the minority, lose out in many positions in life due to men, are marginalized in hundreds of ways you apparently won't even to stop to conceive, let alone be thankful for being a man for.


Cool paragraph, bro. Give me some examples. Link me some sources. Prove your claims.

You want examples?

Women earn less than men:
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3
Source 4
Source 5
Source 6

Glass Ceiling
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3
Source 4

Military Sex Assault against women
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3

Gender violence worldwide
Source 1
Source 2

I would post more, but I get the feeling it wouldn't do anything that these already won't to change your mind.

  • 12.22.2012 8:33 PM PDT

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The Secret Society 95% of activity is me, I could use some help.

Because sumo wrestlers have to shave their legs to be able to differentiate between the two.

  • 12.22.2012 8:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: ABotelho
I consider myself a feminist, because I would like equality of the sexes in both law and society. The problem is, these "extremist" "feminists" seem to have tainted the term. The obvious bias towards or even hatred of men is absolutely ridiculous.


Yes, I also get my understanding of the modern feminist movement from 4chan.

The hell is that even supposed to mean?

  • 12.22.2012 8:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: ABotelho
The hell is that even supposed to mean?


You think that 'extremist feminists' have hijacked the term and tainted it. That is the kind of ridiculous claim MRAs like the kind who dwell on /b/ would say.

Posted by: Jiggleslinky
Because sumo wrestlers have to shave their legs to be able to differentiate between the two.


Classy.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 8:37 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 8:36 PM PDT

I fight for the Kingdom of man.

Because it's ultimately a flawed theory, it blames one root cause for all ills associated with it. i.e that all inequality between genders is expressly caused by a male dominant society thus they overlook or downright omit any other causes gender inequality. They bend situations to fit their theory like trying to fit the same puzzle piece in all places, or blaming a video game as the sole cause of mass murder.

  • 12.22.2012 8:41 PM PDT
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I like Cheese

Anita Sarkesian is a radical feminist.
She think she has the right to tell developers do what she want in video games.
Also, I don't understand why she think women are misrepresented in video games, while men aren't.
Almost every man in game series are stereotypical male, which is alright by them but when a model 21 year old warrior with steel bikini and swords is bad.

  • 12.22.2012 8:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shadowmaster K
Because it's ultimately a flawed theory, it blames one root cause for all ills associated with it. i.e that all inequality between genders is expressly caused by a male dominant society thus they overlook or downright omit any other causes gender inequality. They bend situations to fit their theory like trying to fit the same puzzle piece in all places, or blaming a video game as the sole cause of mass murder.
No. Feminism is simply the belief that both genders should be equal. Like most broad and inclusive theories, it only blames prejudice and inequality for prejudice and inequality.

  • 12.22.2012 8:45 PM PDT

Sometimes I am tempted to quit gaming. I can no longer play without seeing ponyphags, horrendously bad teammates and mexicans.

Gaming community, I want you to know that you suck.


Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: LeSieg
Women are paid less, aren't given the same benefits as men in many situations, are considered the minority, lose out in many positions in life due to men, are marginalized in hundreds of ways you apparently won't even to stop to conceive, let alone be thankful for being a man for.


Cool paragraph, bro. Give me some examples. Link me some sources. Prove your claims.

You want examples?

Women earn less than men:
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3
Source 4
Source 5
Source 6

And all of these mentioned that what they major in is a big factor in the gap. Try more, fgt.

  • 12.22.2012 8:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Connor CMC

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: LeSieg
Women are paid less, aren't given the same benefits as men in many situations, are considered the minority, lose out in many positions in life due to men, are marginalized in hundreds of ways you apparently won't even to stop to conceive, let alone be thankful for being a man for.


Cool paragraph, bro. Give me some examples. Link me some sources. Prove your claims.

You want examples?

Women earn less than men:
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3
Source 4
Source 5
Source 6

And all of these mentioned that what they major in is a big factor in the gap. Try more, fgt.


Hey, be nice.

  • 12.22.2012 8:47 PM PDT

The Wonderful LeSieg!


Posted by: Connor CMC

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: LeSieg
Women are paid less, aren't given the same benefits as men in many situations, are considered the minority, lose out in many positions in life due to men, are marginalized in hundreds of ways you apparently won't even to stop to conceive, let alone be thankful for being a man for.


Cool paragraph, bro. Give me some examples. Link me some sources. Prove your claims.

You want examples?

Women earn less than men:
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3
Source 4
Source 5
Source 6

And all of these mentioned that what they major in is a big factor in the gap. Try more, fgt.
So you retort by calling me names stooped in more bigotry? These sources were meant to prove a point, and to do so effectively you must consider all factors. Of course major selection is a factor. I never said it wasn't. The point was to show a wage gap and to examine the sources of said gap, not to dig my head in the sand and pretend it's for any reason it's not.

So you try better, person (see what I did there? I kept it civil).

EDIT: Also, all of them mention that in equal scenarios, women still make less, and that while the gap may be partially explained by choices and majors, there's still a portion of the wage gap not explained by concrete facts and reasons.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 8:50 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 8:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: ABotelho
The hell is that even supposed to mean?


You think that 'extremist feminists' have hijacked the term and tainted it. That is the kind of ridiculous claim MRAs like the kind who dwell on /b/ would say.

Hijacked? No. Tainted? Yes. Ask any average man. They'll tell you how much they think feminists are crazy -blam!-es. You wouldn't dare tell another guy you're a feminist, he might get the impression you're gonna chop off your own dick. It's derogatory at this point, and that's clear to anybody who pays attention to the world around them.

I don't hate feminists. I know what a feminist is supposed to be. The idea that most people think a feminist is a person that hates men pisses me off to no end.

  • 12.22.2012 8:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: Connor CMC
And all of these mentioned that what they major in is a big factor in the gap. Try more, fgt.


How does that change the fact that they're paid less?

Posted by: ABotelho
Hijacked? No. Tainted? Yes. Ask any average man. They'll tell you how much they think feminists are crazy -blam!-es. You wouldn't dare tell another guy you're a feminist, he might get the impression you're gonna chop off your own dick. It's derogatory at this point, and that's clear to anybody who pays attention to the world around them.


That's not because of 'extremist feminists', it's because of the straw feminists MRAs and other anti-feminists create.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 8:52 PM PST]

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