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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: A Blind Wolf
This. Feminists want men to apologize for being male.


Simply false.

They see all men as evil

Again, false.

and potential rapists

That's because we are.

  • 12.22.2012 9:28 PM PDT

I don't always ban people but when I do I laugh uncontrollably...that's if I was a Forum Ninja.

Truth is a matter of perception.

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There are some feminist who are very, very extreme and really only want special privileges. The word feminism itself is sexist. If you want equal rights for both men and women why not just call yourself an equalist?

  • 12.22.2012 9:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seggi31
The point is that people are being nudged by sexist social factors.

If a door is opened for you, it is your choice to walk through it, etc. If you lack the ability to refrain from prescribing to the stereotype, you are as much to blame as those creating the problem, ultimately. Both sides are to blame. And that statement is a very broad one, too. What that claim would be it that it is the educators fault, then? That is actually a female dominated field, sir.

No, no one is to blame for the career path you take other than the individual. Not in a democratic society, anyways.

  • 12.22.2012 9:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: QuirkyNate
There are some feminist who are very, very extreme and really only want special privileges. The word feminism itself is sexist. If you want equal rights for both men and women why not just call yourself an equalist?


Because feminism exists in response to the privilege that is and has been held by men over women. That doesn't make it sexist.

Posted by: jacob crawford
If a door is opened for you, it is your choice to walk through it, etc. If you lack the ability to refrain from prescribing to the stereotype, you are as much to blame as those creating the problem, ultimately. Both sides are to blame. And that statement is a very broad one, too. What that claim would be it that it is the educators fault, then? That is actually a female dominated field, sir.

No, no one is to blame for the career path you take other than the individual. Not in a democratic society, anyways.


People, in general, cannot make meaningful decisions that contradict social expectations.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 9:30 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 9:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


>Feminists
>Equal Rights

Pick one.


This. Feminists want men to apologize for being male. They see all men as evil and potential r@pists
You can see that silly notion of feminists immediately disproven if you take a few minutes and read the arguments presented in this thread with an open mind.

  • 12.22.2012 9:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seggi31
People, in general, cannot make meaningful decisions that contradict social expectations.
That's an amazingly complex point I haven't considered as a part of this discussion yet. Thank you for bringing it up, not that I entirely agree with it.

It raises the important question: can we be expected to meaningfully go against the norms on an average, general basis? Do women earn less because they're choosing to, or because the path they've been presented leans towards those conclusions?

I would ideally like to identify with jacob and say that both sides are to blame in some form or another, but it is a curious issue.

  • 12.22.2012 9:34 PM PDT

Some of the crazy feminists think women are the superior sex (I personally think both are equal) and want no distinction between the way men and women are treated. For example, they will refuse to dress their daughters in pink clothes because it "stereotypes" them. I think that's just crazy. Pink isn't an inferior color... it's a color that most females prefer. And blue is just a typical male color.

If expecting equal pay for equal work and wanting to be treated as an equal in society makes me a feminist, then yes, I'm a feminist. Or a human being who sees other human beings as equals. Whatever term you prefer.

  • 12.22.2012 9:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: LeSieg
Do women earn less because they're choosing to, or because the path they've been presented leans towards those conclusions?


Well, it's both because they're not being forced into low-paying careers, but they are being pressured. The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

  • 12.22.2012 9:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.

Seggi and Sieg making a whole lotta sense ITT. I'm honestly very impressed.

This is pretty relevant.

  • 12.22.2012 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: LeSieg
Do women earn less because they're choosing to, or because the path they've been presented leans towards those conclusions?


Well, it's both because they're not being forced into low-paying careers, but they are being pressured. The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.
No no, I wouldn't say forced either. But people choose the paths of least resistance in a general sense. Not because they're lazy, but because we need to be secure in our jobs and lives. Not only for us but our family. You hold job security over anyone with the consideration of a family and they would choose a career despite discrimination and lower-pay.

  • 12.22.2012 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seggi31
The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

Pardon? I don't know if everything in Canada is different, but my major is Children's Studies. No one pressured me one way or the other to it. I chose if of my own accordance.

  • 12.22.2012 9:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.

It's interesting how much people ITT are underrating social pressures and stigmas.

I did three years of med school. You know what I got asked by almost every single patient over 50 that I ever saw in that time? "Oh, you're studying medicine? So you're going to be a nurse?"

Stethoscope around my neck, big ol' badge attached to my blouse reading "MEDICAL STUDENT" in capital letters. Never ever happened to my male classmates. I wonder why?

One in four women will be -blam!-ly assaulted in her lifetime - that's in the United States alone, by the way - one in five women will be raped. The overwhelming majority of domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women. Women are paid seventy-five percent of what men are paid in equivalent positions. These are all facts. We have politicians who can claim that there are distinctions between "legitimate -blam!-" and other kinds , that pregnancy from -blam!- is a "gift from God", and that some women just "-blam!- easy". These are elected officials, by the way, not random people on the street. Rush Limbaugh - hardly respected amongst the majority of sensible thinkers, but a guy who rakes in the zillions in advertising dollars per year - accused Sandra Fluke of "having so much sex she can't afford the contraception" despite the fact that that's not even how the contraceptive pill works. These are all facts, too - easily researched, widely undisputed facts.

Now, do I want women to make more than men? Nope. Actually, I plan to marry a guy who will probably make more than me by virtue of his choice of career. Do I think women should "turn the tables" and beat men? I sure as hell don't. My mother hit my father, and I've never forgiven her for it. Do I think -blam!- against men doesn't happen, or that it's not as serious? Hell no. All -blam!- is serious, and honestly, men are harmed just as much by -blam!- myths as women are, because the myth is that men can't get raped and that they deserve to be laughed at when they are. These are all things I'm very vocal about in my activism. Many third wave feminists are the same.

The thing is, if every feminist were to pack up and go home tomorrow, men would hurt for it. They'd hurt for it every time they were trashed by their friends for not liking sports or for showing their emotions or for daring to wear the colour pink. They'd hurt for it as victims of domestic violence and -blam!- assault. They'd hurt for it in family court, where judges give women custody even if they don't deserve it because the societal perception of men is that they aren't nurturing because that's weak female -blam!-. And that would make me sad for every single man in my life that I love and cherish and want to be happy. But all those things considered, they'd still be better off than women. And that, no matter which way you swing it, isn't fair, not to anyone.

  • 12.22.2012 10:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Harlow
Actual definition of the word "feminist".


The term has been twisted from it's original meaning in a sense.

Many women who call themselves feminists aren't true feminists but rather only want equality when it suits them.

I remember hearing something about people in sweden or somewhere in europe making a big deal because women were going to get charged the same for insurance as men to make it fair.

  • 12.22.2012 10:07 PM PDT

Men and women are equal starting stat-wise in WoW.


The world should be more like WoW.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 10:10 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 10:10 PM PDT


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
It's interesting how much people ITT are underrating social pressures and stigmas.

I did three years of med school. You know what I got asked by almost every single patient over 50 that I ever saw in that time? "Oh, you're studying medicine? So you're going to be a nurse?"

Stethoscope around my neck, big ol' badge attached to my blouse reading "MEDICAL STUDENT" in capital letters. Never ever happened to my male classmates. I wonder why?

One in four women will be -blam!-ly assaulted in her lifetime - that's in the United States alone, by the way - one in five women will be raped. The overwhelming majority of domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women. Women are paid seventy-five percent of what men are paid in equivalent positions. These are all facts. We have politicians who can claim that there are distinctions between "legitimate -blam!-" and other kinds , that pregnancy from -blam!- is a "gift from God", and that some women just "-blam!- easy". These are elected officials, by the way, not random people on the street. Rush Limbaugh - hardly respected amongst the majority of sensible thinkers, but a guy who rakes in the zillions in advertising dollars per year - accused Sandra Fluke of "having so much sex she can't afford the contraception" despite the fact that that's not even how the contraceptive pill works. These are all facts, too - easily researched, widely undisputed facts.

Now, do I want women to make more than men? Nope. Actually, I plan to marry a guy who will probably make more than me by virtue of his choice of career. Do I think women should "turn the tables" and beat men? I sure as hell don't. My mother hit my father, and I've never forgiven her for it. Do I think -blam!- against men doesn't happen, or that it's not as serious? Hell no. All -blam!- is serious, and honestly, men are harmed just as much by -blam!- myths as women are, because the myth is that men can't get raped and that they deserve to be laughed at when they are. These are all things I'm very vocal about in my activism. Many third wave feminists are the same.

The thing is, if every feminist were to pack up and go home tomorrow, men would hurt for it. They'd hurt for it every time they were trashed by their friends for not liking sports or for showing their emotions or for daring to wear the colour pink. They'd hurt for it as victims of domestic violence and -blam!- assault. They'd hurt for it in family court, where judges give women custody even if they don't deserve it because the societal perception of men is that they aren't nurturing because that's weak female -blam!-. And that would make me sad for every single man in my life that I love and cherish and want to be happy. But all those things considered, they'd still be better off than women. And that, no matter which way you swing it, isn't fair, not to anyone.


I agree with every word of this (Though i wouldn't be caught dead in pink)

  • 12.22.2012 10:10 PM PDT

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  • 12.22.2012 10:10 PM PDT
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Its a dirty word because it has been twisted to the point where it basically means they want to be equal only WHEN it suits them.

They want to be equal but then complain when a door is not held open for them.

Would not do that for a male so "equally" why should i do it for females?

  • 12.22.2012 10:16 PM PDT

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Oh boy, another quality thread.

And by quality I mean the crap.

  • 12.22.2012 10:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: Seggi31
The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

Pardon? I don't know if everything in Canada is different, but my major is Children's Studies. No one pressured me one way or the other to it. I chose if of my own accordance.

Basically, there's a stigma about men and how we're all sex perverts. I'm not allowed to be alone with a student, regardless of their gender, at any time. Females? Not a problem.

  • 12.22.2012 10:18 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: Seggi31
The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

Pardon? I don't know if everything in Canada is different, but my major is Children's Studies. No one pressured me one way or the other to it. I chose if of my own accordance.

Basically, there's a stigma about men and how we're all sex perverts. I'm not allowed to be alone with a student, regardless of their gender, at any time. Females? Not a problem.

No one is here, regardless of gender. We have to sign a waiver for that one. I can understand why, though, regardless of gender.

  • 12.22.2012 10:20 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: Seggi31
The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

Pardon? I don't know if everything in Canada is different, but my major is Children's Studies. No one pressured me one way or the other to it. I chose if of my own accordance.

Basically, there's a stigma about men and how we're all sex perverts. I'm not allowed to be alone with a student, regardless of their gender, at any time. Females? Not a problem.


Yeah, some people assume that we are all mole*sters or whatever. Even doing very small bad stuff like littering never crosses my mind so I sure as hell won't do anything to a kid. They should stop thinking like that.

  • 12.22.2012 10:21 PM PDT
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You make out with midgets.


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike. Surely any compassionate person should want that, so shouldn't they all be feminists by default? But I've seen that word thrown around like it's a grave insult - both by people using it to insult other people (e.g. "wow, what are you complaining about, you're like some kind of feminist") and people on the receiving end ("I'm not a feminist just because I believe in [blank]!"). What's the deal there? I would identify myself as a feminist. Wouldn't anyone who wants people to be treated equally do the same?


Oh god. It's you. I was hoping your ban was perma.

OT: Stop trolling. I even question if you really are a girl now.

  • 12.22.2012 10:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: Seggi31
The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

Pardon? I don't know if everything in Canada is different, but my major is Children's Studies. No one pressured me one way or the other to it. I chose if of my own accordance.

Basically, there's a stigma about men and how we're all sex perverts. I'm not allowed to be alone with a student, regardless of their gender, at any time. Females? Not a problem.


Exactly what i mean.Females get special treatment and males are treated like all sex offenders in the making.

  • 12.22.2012 10:24 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

Guys, don't just jump to conclusions here. It all depends on the region you live in, and if your employers are closed minded. Mine are not. They set the standard that no one, under any circumstance save for emergency, is to be alone with a child, or even a group of children, regardless of gender. Let's not veer too far off the course of the op!

  • 12.22.2012 10:25 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: The Ai
Its a dirty word because it has been twisted to the point where it basically means they want to be equal only WHEN it suits them.

They want to be equal but then complain when a door is not held open for them.

Would not do that for a male so "equally" why should i do it for females?


You seem to be under the impression that all women are the same person with a really good makeup team or something.

Posted by: jacob crawford
Guys, don't just jump to conclusions here. It all depends on the region you live in, and if your employers are closed minded. Mine are not. They set the standard that no one, under any circumstance save for emergency, is to be alone with a child, or even a group of children, regardless of gender. Let's not veer too far off the course of the op!


I know a guy who's gone into childcare in Sydney, focussing on special needs children. He's never faced any kind of explicit discrimination because of his sex from his employer or anything, but he's been called all manner of derogatory things 'jokingly' by supposed friends, in connection to it. Like I said before, the social pressure doesn't have to be workplace discrimination.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 10:32 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 10:27 PM PDT