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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


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Posted by: Seggi31
The same goes for men being discouraged from jobs involving children.

Pardon? I don't know if everything in Canada is different, but my major is Children's Studies. No one pressured me one way or the other to it. I chose if of my own accordance.

Basically, there's a stigma about men and how we're all sex perverts. I'm not allowed to be alone with a student, regardless of their gender, at any time. Females? Not a problem.
I can vouch for this. I work at a school and I've had to chaperon male teachers overseeing female students during lunch breaks and the like. It's really unfortunate for everyone that rates of -blam!- assault are so high that we have to treat all men like suspects no matter what their true nature or intentions. But the fact is, abusers don't hold up flashing neon signs saying "I'm going to -blam!- you later!" Most rapes are perpetrated by friends or close associates of their victims (this goes for male-on-female and female-on-male as well as same sex, btw), and once the rapist gets away with it once, they are far more likely to offend again. If people are interested, I'll look up the stats on repeat offenders, as well as the stats on men who've said that if they could -blam!- a woman without any consequences, they'd do it, and offenders who've admitted that they'd re-offend if they wouldn't get caught. So we have to treat everyone like a potential abuser because unfortunately, there's no way to tell if they aren't.

The only way for us to reverse this is to lower assault rates to the point where it would be no more logical to treat every man as a potential rapist than it would be to treat every kid walking down the street in a hoodie as a potential murderer. And the only way to do that is to be open and direct about our treatment of the subject, harsh in our punishments of those who offend, and unflinching on our definition of what constitutes assault (hint: if they haven't said yes, NO MATTER WHAT, you can't have sex with them). That way, we can both reduce the incidence of assault and reclaim some territories as safe for men and women both.

  • 12.22.2012 10:27 PM PDT

Please stop complaining about the 'death of a loved one' it's my job. They probably deserved it anyways. Here's a warning, if you keep making pentagrams out of the neighbors livestock I will personally come to your house and kill everyone you love. Now leave me alone, I got to get back to work.
~M.D~

When you say that word it implies to take down gender roles. 99% of women can't and will not do that. They can talk all they want but they can't handle it.

  • 12.22.2012 10:28 PM PDT

So, does equal rights for women mean that they'd get a letter when they turn 18 saying they've been registered for the draft? Because if men and women become socially equal I see no reason why only young men should be expected to fight and die for their country.

  • 12.22.2012 10:31 PM PDT

Fellow Floodian:
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I had a very similar thing, only I threw a 14 story building out of a pool and hit a kid on a paper aeroplane.


The Flood is just this awesome :D

Feminist = fighting for women's rights

  • 12.22.2012 10:32 PM PDT

Nobody can complain about sports. Because there is a female version of basketball, soccer and so on. So we are good there. I hope everyone agrees.

  • 12.22.2012 10:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: RockdaleRooster
So, does equal rights for women mean that they'd get a letter when they turn 18 saying they've been registered for the draft? Because if men and women become socially equal I see no reason why only young men should be expected to fight and die for their country.
Sure, why not?

Or maybe it'd force a re-examination of ideas like "every able-bodied adult should be expected to enlist for military service as though that's the only valuable way in which they can contribute to their country", which would benefit men and women alike.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 10:34 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 10:34 PM PDT


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
So, does equal rights for women mean that they'd get a letter when they turn 18 saying they've been registered for the draft? Because if men and women become socially equal I see no reason why only young men should be expected to fight and die for their country.
Sure, why not?

Or maybe it'd force a re-examination of ideas like "every able-bodied adult should be expected to enlist for military service as though that's the only valuable way in which they can contribute to their country", which would benefit men and women alike.

Sounds good to me.

  • 12.22.2012 10:41 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P

People think of it as "dirty" due to the minority of extremests, which give rise to stereotypes. The minority becomes noticeable due to it being exemplified by the media (that'd be my guess), because as you know, the media's job is to report bad news on almost anything that'll seek attention.

  • 12.22.2012 10:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Zealot Tony
People think of it as "dirty" due to the minority of extremests, which give rise to stereotypes. The minority becomes noticeable due to it being exemplified by the media (that'd be my guess), because as you know, the media's job is to report bad news on almost anything that'll seek attention.
The weird thing is, people wouldn't allow the WBC to make Christianity "dirty", but they'll allow Germaine Greer and the like to shape their ideas about feminism. Strange, right?

  • 12.22.2012 10:49 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

A feminist follows feminist theory. The theory states that women are highly oppressed due to the actions, mentality, and stereotypes from men.

Feminists get little to no respect because they don't do much but add to the problem by being sexist themselves. This is what their theory states so don't take it from me.

And then they use what you did in the OP. The whole, "We only want total and complete equality!"

...
By putting men down (again, this is their theory, not mine)

  • 12.22.2012 10:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Viper Skills
A feminist follows feminist theory. The theory states that women are highly oppressed due to the actions, mentality, and stereotypes from men.

Feminists get little to no respect because they don't do much but add to the problem by being sexist themselves. This is what their theory states so don't take it from me.

And then they use what you did in the OP. The whole, "We only want total and complete equality!"

...
By putting men down (again, this is their theory, not mine)
Internalised misogyny is most definitely real. I'm amused that you're presenting it here like it's some kind of outlandish fringe idea.

  • 12.22.2012 10:51 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Posted by: DatDudeBV
No, modern feminists want women to have more rights than men.

  • 12.22.2012 10:55 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Viper Skills
A feminist follows feminist theory. The theory states that women are highly oppressed due to the actions, mentality, and stereotypes from men.

Feminists get little to no respect because they don't do much but add to the problem by being sexist themselves. This is what their theory states so don't take it from me.

And then they use what you did in the OP. The whole, "We only want total and complete equality!"

...
By putting men down (again, this is their theory, not mine)
Internalised misogyny is most definitely real. I'm amused that you're presenting it here like it's some kind of outlandish fringe idea.


On the level that feminists claim it is, absolutely. Feminist theory claims nearly any and all problems faced by women are because of men. So they want equality but choose to only blame and put men down.

Equality or humanism... those are good ideologies to follow but feminism is, "We want to stop sexism by being sexist," wrapped in a not-so-pretty package.

  • 12.22.2012 10:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Viper Skills

On the level that feminists claim it is, absolutely. Feminist theory claims nearly any and all problems faced by women are because of men. So they want equality but choose to only blame and put men down.

Equality or humanism... those are good ideologies to follow but feminism is, "We want to stop sexism by being sexist," wrapped in a not-so-pretty package.
This is fascinating.

Please, tell me more. I'm especially interested in hearing about how I can stop sexism by being sexist.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 10:57 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 10:57 PM PDT
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Because some people are insecure.

  • 12.22.2012 10:58 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Viper Skills

On the level that feminists claim it is, absolutely. Feminist theory claims nearly any and all problems faced by women are because of men. So they want equality but choose to only blame and put men down.

Equality or humanism... those are good ideologies to follow but feminism is, "We want to stop sexism by being sexist," wrapped in a not-so-pretty package.
This is fascinating.

Please, tell me more. I'm especially interested in hearing about how I can stop sexism by being sexist.


I'm saying you can't. Which is why many sociologists find feminism to be counterproductive.

  • 12.22.2012 11:02 PM PDT

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Use it enough in the wrong context and people believe the incorrect definition. Use it as an insult and eventually it will become one.

I'm a feminist as much as I am a LGBT advocate, I'm an egalitarian.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 11:14 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 11:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Viper Skills

On the level that feminists claim it is, absolutely. Feminist theory claims nearly any and all problems faced by women are because of men. So they want equality but choose to only blame and put men down.

Equality or humanism... those are good ideologies to follow but feminism is, "We want to stop sexism by being sexist," wrapped in a not-so-pretty package.
This is fascinating.

Please, tell me more. I'm especially interested in hearing about how I can stop sexism by being sexist.


I'm saying you can't. Which is why many sociologists find feminism to be counterproductive.
You really do believe you just dropped some knowledge on me there, don't you?

This is so amazing.

  • 12.22.2012 11:10 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
You really do believe you just dropped some knowledge on me there, don't you?

This is so amazing.


No. All I did is state what feminism theory is, how it's contradictory to what they stand for, and state that many experts in the field agree.

You haven't given a single counterargument and simply posted in a derogatory manner in an attempt to seem witty/smug.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 11:15 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 11:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
You really do believe you just dropped some knowledge on me there, don't you?

This is so amazing.


No. All I did is state what feminism theory is, how it's contradictory to what they stand for, and state that many experts in the field agree.

You haven't given a single counterargument and simply posted in a derogatory manner in an attempt to seem witty/smug.
I believe all my counterarguments can be found upthread.

  • 12.22.2012 11:16 PM PDT

Does anyone have lotion?
*Raises hand*
Is mayonnaise a lotion?

I left Sapphire partially because of these threads... Good going mods.

  • 12.22.2012 11:16 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
You really do believe you just dropped some knowledge on me there, don't you?

This is so amazing.


No. All I did is state what feminism theory is, how it's contradictory to what they stand for, and state that many experts in the field agree.

You haven't given a single counterargument and simply posted in a derogatory manner in an attempt to seem witty/smug.
I believe all my counterarguments can be found upthread.


You will have to forgive me - I do not want to wade through seven pages of arguments that I have undoubtedly debated before.

If you are a feminist (as I suppose you are) then I get why you are. I agree with what you believe in, not the extent your theory brings it to.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 11:20 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 11:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Posted by: Viper Skills

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
You really do believe you just dropped some knowledge on me there, don't you?

This is so amazing.


No. All I did is state what feminism theory is, how it's contradictory to what they stand for, and state that many experts in the field agree.

You haven't given a single counterargument and simply posted in a derogatory manner in an attempt to seem witty/smug.
I believe all my counterarguments can be found upthread.


You will have to forgive me - I do not want to wade through seven pages of arguments that I have undoubtedly debated before.

If you are a feminist (as I suppose you are) then I get why you are. I agree with what you believe in, not the extent your theory brings it to.
My theory? No theorist is the boss of me, buddy.

If you don't want to "wade through seven pages of arguments that you have undoubtedly debated before", that's not really my problem. I don't believe I'm obliged to repeat myself in order to make your life easier. Maybe if you don't want to have a discussion, you should just go on and find another thread?

  • 12.22.2012 11:21 PM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.


Posted by: jaythenerdkid
My theory? No theorist is the boss of me, buddy.

If you don't want to "wade through seven pages of arguments that you have undoubtedly debated before", that's not really my problem. I don't believe I'm obliged to repeat myself in order to make your life easier. Maybe if you don't want to have a discussion, you should just go on and find another thread?


Very inspiring sentences. It's up to the author of the thread to keep the other posters informed on the contents of the thread. I replied to the OP, you said the content was not in the OP.

Not my problem.

  • 12.22.2012 11:24 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

Much to the effect of what Viper has said, the neo feminist movement seems to have counteracted itself to the origins of the social theory it prescribed to. Rather than being about equality, some make it about masculine hate and more rights that it does equality.

It is unfortunate. I've seen it far too locally. The Warren Farrel incident at UoT is one such incident. We don't have to agree with what he said, but they attempted to silence his opinions and forcibly box him in. Is that what feminism is about? Really? This is why feminism gets a bad wrap.

  • 12.22.2012 11:24 PM PDT