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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?
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I don't get feminist they say they want equal rights but what about the good ol' women and children first? (don't get me wrong it is the best to do it that way) but the men take the hits for society. But really is that equal? no it isn't. They already get special treatment.

  • 12.22.2012 11:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: jacob crawford
It is unfortunate. I've seen it far too locally. The Warren Farrel incident at UoT is one such incident. We don't have to agree with what he said, but they attempted to silence his opinions and forcibly box him in. Is that what feminism is about? Really? This is why feminism gets a bad wrap.


A saw a minute or two of that video before. What, exactly, was the problem? That the protest got too intense and security had to remove them? How does that demonstrate that the 'neo feminist movement' is sexist?

Posted by: Co M4N
I don't get feminist they say they want equal rights but what about the good ol' women and children first?


I don't think I've met any feminists who think there's any merit to prioritising who to rescue based on what kind of junk they have.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 11:34 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 11:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: jacob crawford
It is unfortunate. I've seen it far too locally. The Warren Farrel incident at UoT is one such incident. We don't have to agree with what he said, but they attempted to silence his opinions and forcibly box him in. Is that what feminism is about? Really? This is why feminism gets a bad wrap.


A saw a minute or two of that video before. What, exactly, was the problem? That the protest got too intense and security had to remove them? How does that demonstrate that the 'neo feminist movement' is sexist?

Warren Ferrel made comments in regards to -blam!- that were misinterpreted. He made them in context to the wrongful misinterpretation of the statistics regarding them. The feminist students of OuT, Canada's largest University, didn't want him to be allowed to talk. Period. They blocked people from entering a seminar he was holding, stated that Ferrel had no right to speak whatsoever, and skewed all those who advocate men's rights as pigs.

See why the image of feminists has been damaged in the public image?

  • 12.22.2012 11:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: kraziekillenz
Men and women are equal starting stat-wise in WoW.


The world should be more like WoW.

  • 12.22.2012 11:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: jacob crawford
It is unfortunate. I've seen it far too locally. The Warren Farrel incident at UoT is one such incident. We don't have to agree with what he said, but they attempted to silence his opinions and forcibly box him in. Is that what feminism is about? Really? This is why feminism gets a bad wrap.


A saw a minute or two of that video before. What, exactly, was the problem? That the protest got too intense and security had to remove them? How does that demonstrate that the 'neo feminist movement' is sexist?

Warren Ferrel made comments in regards to -blam!- that were misinterpreted. He made them in context to the wrongful misinterpretation of the statistics regarding them. The feminist students of OuT, Canada's largest University, didn't want him to be allowed to talk. Period. They blocked people from entering a seminar he was holding, stated that Ferrel had no right to speak whatsoever, and skewed all those who advocate men's rights as pigs.

See why the image of feminists has been damaged in the public image?
What were those remarks, exactly? How does one make remarks about -blam!- that are "misinterpreted"?

And which men's rights activists aren't pigs, given that the term has roughly the same social connotation as "white supremacist"?

  • 12.22.2012 11:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
What were those remarks, exactly? How does one make remarks about -blam!- that are "misinterpreted"?

And which men's rights activists aren't pigs, given that the term has roughly the same social connotation as "white supremacist"?

Allegedly, seeing as I was not at the conference myself, Warren stated that there are many cases where women cite -blam!- when there was not -blam!- whatsoever, and this throws of the statistics at the public's availability. It is unfortunate, too. Though these numbers aren't large, there are instances of misinformation, and many other variables that affect this. Warren does not promote -blam!- whatsoever, but the feminist groups pegged him as doing so.

And not all men's rights groups are sexist. Far from it, actually. Here, locally, in Ontario, we have:
The Canadian Committee For Fairness In Family Law
Children For Justice
Fathers Are Capable Too (F.A.C.T.)
Human Equality Action and Resource Team (H.E.A.R.T.)
Men's Health Network
Toronto Fathers' Resources - paralegal

These are just a few minor examples, too!

These are all men's rights groups. And, I will reiterate what I have previously in the thread. There is inequality for men, and it is often ignored. When my dad divorced his first wife, she got automatic custody of the child. Why? She was a woman. It was just the way the law worked. That, to me, is wrong. Some of the groups helped to get proper, fair, legislature in place.

Men's rights groups are not similar to white supremacy. Not here in Canada, at least. They are about helping men out with gender specific needs, sometimes rights, and promote gender equality. Just because a small minority (much to the same effect as some feminist groups) skew the larger population does not mean that all are in that boat.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 11:47 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 11:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Because of radical and marxist feminists. Their platforms are absurd and receive coverage instead of liberal feminists.

That's your answer.

/thread

  • 12.22.2012 11:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: jacob crawford
Warren Ferrel made comments in regards to -blam!- that were misinterpreted. He made them in context to the wrongful misinterpretation of the statistics regarding them. The feminist students of OuT, Canada's largest University, didn't want him to be allowed to talk. Period. They blocked people from entering a seminar he was holding, stated that Ferrel had no right to speak whatsoever,


So your prime example for why modern feminism is sexist is because some people at a protest acted inappropriately? lol

and skewed all those who advocate men's rights as pigs.

You know why Men's Rights Activists are considered a joke? Because they exist not to complement feminism, but to assault it. This damages not just feminist causes, but those genuinely seeking to support men facing inequality and injustice. (Though, really, I'd call that a feminist cause anyway.)

Posted by: Xplode441
Because of radical and marxist feminists. Their platforms are absurd and receive coverage instead of liberal feminists.


That's a gross misrepresentation of radical feminism.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 11:56 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 11:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
What were those remarks, exactly? How does one make remarks about -blam!- that are "misinterpreted"?

And which men's rights activists aren't pigs, given that the term has roughly the same social connotation as "white supremacist"?

Allegedly, seeing as I was not at the conference myself, Warren stated that there are many cases where women cite -blam!- when there was not -blam!- whatsoever, and this throws of the statistics at the public's availability. It is unfortunate, too. Though these numbers aren't large, there are instances of misinformation, and many other variables that affect this. Warren does not promote -blam!- whatsoever, but the feminist groups pegged him as doing so.
I think the FBI estimates that as many as 2% of -blam!- reports are false.

RAINN estimates that about 50% of rapes aren't reported at all.

I'm no statistician, but just based on those numbers, what would you say is the bigger issue?

  • 12.22.2012 11:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Seggi31
So your prime example for why modern feminism is sexist is because some people at a protest acted inappropriately? lol

and skewed all those who advocate men's rights as pigs.

You know why Men's Rights Activists are considered a joke? Because they exist not to complement feminism, but to assault it.


Locally, from what I have seen and experienced of it, this is what some, not all feminists have done to promote their voice. I am, again, not saying it is all feminists, but rather why the image of the feminist is as it is so popularly perceived.

In regards to that last comment, have you seen what any of the groups I have listed promote? They promote things such as: regular prostate exams, mental and psychiatric help for those in need of it, legal assistance in the instances of divorces and family dispute, adequate marriage counciling for those in need, harmonization of the family unit and awareness of proper behavior for functioning members of society and family. Those are hardly assaults to feminism. Those rather promote the values of feminism for education on what is right and wrong, and some of the gender specific needs of me.

  • 12.22.2012 11:57 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: Xplode441
Because of radical and marxist feminists. Their platforms are absurd and receive coverage instead of liberal feminists.

That's a gross misrepresentation of radical feminism.
How? Radical feminists blame men's actions, even if they're unconnected, as an attempted to lessen the woman and keep her lower on the hierarchical scale. Do you wish to portray the 'radical' feminist as a logical and fair person who truly wants equality between men and women?

  • 12.22.2012 11:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: jacob crawford
In regards to that last comment, have you seen what any of the groups I have listed promote? They promote things such as: regular prostate exams, mental and psychiatric help for those in need of it, legal assistance in the instances of divorces and family dispute, adequate marriage counciling for those in need, harmonization of the family unit and awareness of proper behavior for functioning members of society and family. Those are hardly assaults to feminism. Those rather promote the values of feminism for education on what is right and wrong, and some of the gender specific needs of me.


Those services really are useful and essential for men. Promoting things like mental health awareness is important, especially for men who are particularly inclined to avoid treatment or a potential diagnosis. That's great. This kind of organisation, however, is blatantly antifeminist. Men's health services are important, but there's a difference between providing a service and activism, and the activism is dominated by an antifeminist current.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 12:06 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 12:05 AM PDT

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Corrupted over time. I'm fine with equal rights, equal pay, whatever. As long as it is equal. There are the more extreme feminists though who ruin the movement for everyone. You know, the ones who think "all men should be castrated to prevent them from raping people".

  • 12.23.2012 12:06 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: ultratog1028
There are the more extreme feminists though who ruin the movement for everyone. You know, the ones who think "all men should be castrated to prevent them from raping people".


Nobody actually thinks that.

Posted by: Xplode441
How? Radical feminists blame men's actions, even if they're unconnected, as an attempted to lessen the woman and keep her lower on the hierarchical scale. Do you wish to portray the 'radical' feminist as a logical and fair person who truly wants equality between men and women?


Because the description taps into the common complaint that radical feminists think men are somehow conspiring.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 12:08 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 12:07 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.


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It isn't, but some of the connotations are.

  • 12.23.2012 12:08 AM PDT
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I'm trying to become an '04, but it's not working too well."

I personally just think it's stupid. Most feminists I've encountered are on par with White-Power types of people.

Taking pride in your gender is cool. Belittling people and blaming men for all problems is not.

Kind of like die-hard vegetarians, too. Don't get in my face because I'm eating meat. Don't get in my face because I have an erection.

  • 12.23.2012 12:09 AM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: ultratog1028
There are the more extreme feminists though who ruin the movement for everyone. You know, the ones who think "all men should be castrated to prevent them from raping people".


Nobody actually thinks that.
Impossible to say that accurately as we read people's thoughts.

People aren't very vocal about that would be a better rebuttal.


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: Xplode441
How? Radical feminists blame men's actions, even if they're unconnected, as an attempted to lessen the woman and keep her lower on the hierarchical scale. Do you wish to portray the 'radical' feminist as a logical and fair person who truly wants equality between men and women?
Because the description taps into the common complaint that radical feminists think men are somehow conspiring.
Because radical feminists are renowned for their great allure to logical arguments, right?

  • 12.23.2012 12:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: jacob crawford
In regards to that last comment, have you seen what any of the groups I have listed promote? They promote things such as: regular prostate exams, mental and psychiatric help for those in need of it, legal assistance in the instances of divorces and family dispute, adequate marriage counciling for those in need, harmonization of the family unit and awareness of proper behavior for functioning members of society and family. Those are hardly assaults to feminism. Those rather promote the values of feminism for education on what is right and wrong, and some of the gender specific needs of me.


Those services really are useful and essential for men. Promoting things like mental health awareness is important, especially for men who are particularly inclined to avoid treatment or a potential diagnosis. That's great. This kind of organisation, however, is blatantly antifeminist. Men's health services are important, but there's a difference between providing a service and activism, and the activism is dominated by an antifeminist current.
Chiming in to say that men's health is an area that is sadly overlooked, partly because men are societally conditioned to think it's weak to care about their health, especially their mental health. Suicide rates amongst men in the 18-39 age group are higher than in any other, I believe.

Of course, if we didn't constantly reinforce the idea that only silly weak women care about health and wellness and that real men don't need to worry about such things...

  • 12.23.2012 12:11 AM PDT

"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I'd like to think that I walk that line every day."

Negative connotation?

  • 12.23.2012 12:11 AM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

It's because the nutty ones have warped the meaning of the word. People now think of those loons that advocate castrating all men, instead of actual feminists, when the word is used.

  • 12.23.2012 12:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Chiming in to say that men's health is an area that is sadly overlooked, partly because men are societally conditioned to think it's weak to care about their health, especially their mental health. Suicide rates amongst men in the 18-39 age group are higher than in any other, I believe.

But, as I cited with some of the aforementioned groups, that is what men's rights and men's groups are about: advocating to abolish those social sitgmas! They in no way, shape or form are out to undermine or assault feminism. And they are certainly not promoting the -blam!- culture you have claimed that they are. They are looking to promote real issues surrounding men, for whatever reason they may exist. However, these groups, for no reason at all, are attacked citing "muh equality". It doesn't make sense! That is one of the issues Dr.Ferrel has, is in regards to the fact he was promoting mental health awareness for men. Then, he was slandered. This, in relation to your OP, is why there is a negative connotation with the word feminism: sometimes, unfortunately, a small minority of feminists damage the public image.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 12:18 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 12:16 AM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: jacob crawford

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Chiming in to say that men's health is an area that is sadly overlooked, partly because men are societally conditioned to think it's weak to care about their health, especially their mental health. Suicide rates amongst men in the 18-39 age group are higher than in any other, I believe.

But, as I cited with some of the aforementioned groups, that is what men's rights and men's groups are about: advocating to abolish those social sitgmas! They in no way, shape or form are out to undermine or assault feminism. However, these groups, for no reason at all, are attacked citing "muh equality". It doesn't make sense! That is one of the issues Dr.Ferrel has, is in regards to the fact he was promoting mental health awareness for men. Then, he was slandered. This, in relation to your OP, is why there is a negative connotation with the word feminism: sometimes, unfortunately, a small minority of feminists damage the public image.
There's a difference between men's health groups and men's rights activists, in rather the same way that there's a difference between baptists and the WBC. :P

  • 12.23.2012 12:18 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

This thread was a lot more civil than I expected it to be.

  • 12.23.2012 12:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
This thread was a lot more civil than I expected it to be.
i'm surprised too.

  • 12.23.2012 12:28 AM PDT

GAAAAYYY

>Want equal rights
>Want violence against woman to be illegal.

  • 12.23.2012 12:30 AM PDT