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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

Posted by: NinjaLord77

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: NinjaLord77
Enough please. There are much bigger issues in the world than this. There will never ever be true equality in the world and that's the way it's gonna stay.
How is the failure to include equal treatment for more than half of the world not one of the "bigger issues" in your mind?

Prejudice stays prejudice because people don't challenge it. It's like the quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing."


They can't even figure out what to do about the crazies shooting everyone, the issues in the Middle East or the economy and you're whining about this? Grow the hell up. Let's fix the real issues then you can whine about how much money you make.

I lost brain cells reading this.

"There's this stuff going on in this particular part of the world so you should value that more than your stupid problems with money."

  • 12.23.2012 12:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Posted by: Prototype117
>Want equal rights
>Want violence against woman to be illegal.


I lol'd.

  • 12.23.2012 12:31 AM PDT

Nahman Jayden, Eff bee eye. I herd that you're the origammy killah...


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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


>Feminists
>Equal Rights

Pick one.
And only one

  • 12.23.2012 12:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
There's a difference between men's health groups and men's rights activists, in rather the same way that there's a difference between baptists and the WBC. :P
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
And which men's rights activists aren't pigs, given that the term has roughly the same social connotation as "white supremacist"?
Remember the multiple times when men were asked to change seats on a flight because men were deemed too dangerous to sit next to unattended children? No?

There are situations in which men are discriminated against and to call Men's Rights activists groups as just opposition against feminists or to equate them to 'white supremacists' is ignorant and uninformed.

  • 12.23.2012 12:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
There's a difference between men's health groups and men's rights activists, in rather the same way that there's a difference between baptists and the WBC. :P
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
And which men's rights activists aren't pigs, given that the term has roughly the same social connotation as "white supremacist"?
Remember the multiple times when men were asked to change seats on a flight because men were deemed too dangerous to sit next to unattended children? No?

There are situations in which men are discriminated against and to call Men's Rights activists groups as just opposition against feminists or to equate them to 'white supremacists' is ignorant and uninformed.
The thing is, if every feminist were to pack up and go home tomorrow, men would hurt for it. They'd hurt for it every time they were trashed by their friends for not liking sports or for showing their emotions or for daring to wear the colour pink. They'd hurt for it as victims of domestic violence and -blam!- assault. They'd hurt for it in family court, where judges give women custody even if they don't deserve it because the societal perception of men is that they aren't nurturing because that's weak female -blam!-. And that would make me sad for every single man in my life that I love and cherish and want to be happy. But all those things considered, they'd still be better off than women. And that, no matter which way you swing it, isn't fair, not to anyone.

I really wish people would just read my posts.

  • 12.23.2012 12:50 AM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
The thing is, if every feminist were to pack up and go home tomorrow, men would hurt for it. They'd hurt for it every time they were trashed by their friends for not liking sports or for showing their emotions or for daring to wear the colour pink. They'd hurt for it as victims of domestic violence and -blam!- assault. They'd hurt for it in family court, where judges give women custody even if they don't deserve it because the societal perception of men is that they aren't nurturing because that's weak female -blam!-. And that would make me sad for every single man in my life that I love and cherish and want to be happy. But all those things considered, they'd still be better off than women. And that, no matter which way you swing it, isn't fair, not to anyone.

I really wish people would just read my posts.
I really wish people would make statements that can be proved valid and with links to credible evidence.

  • 12.23.2012 12:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
The thing is, if every feminist were to pack up and go home tomorrow, men would hurt for it. They'd hurt for it every time they were trashed by their friends for not liking sports or for showing their emotions or for daring to wear the colour pink. They'd hurt for it as victims of domestic violence and -blam!- assault. They'd hurt for it in family court, where judges give women custody even if they don't deserve it because the societal perception of men is that they aren't nurturing because that's weak female -blam!-. And that would make me sad for every single man in my life that I love and cherish and want to be happy. But all those things considered, they'd still be better off than women. And that, no matter which way you swing it, isn't fair, not to anyone.

I really wish people would just read my posts.
I really wish people would make statements that can be proved valid and with links to credible evidence.
You don't believe that sexism against men is derived from the same societal attitudes and prejudices that inform sexism against women?

  • 12.23.2012 12:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.

On a final note, before I go to bed, I'm amused by how people trot out the same article about a man being subjected to sexist attitudes (which arise from exactly the same place as sexist attitudes against women - surprise!), as though one isolated example proves that we need men's rights activists to save us all from evil, man-hating women. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Night, everyone.

  • 12.23.2012 12:56 AM PDT

Two makes there more than speakers.

What makes being a feminist somewhat infamous is because people only look at it from what they see coming out of the foolish ones. There can be extremists for almost anything, but since they invoke more reaction from others that's what people look at them as.

Posted by: jaythenerdkid

Night, everyone.
The second I get in this. :/

[Edited on 12.23.2012 12:58 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 12:57 AM PDT

It's not my fault, I was just trying to tie my shoe!

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I wish the world really did end.

People will be people, our gender doesn't discern this boundary. Stop with the 'men this' and 'women that' crap. I'm not addressing anyone in particular here, it's jut a general message. There will always be favoritism, there will always be boundaries. This entirely depends on the people involved.

  • 12.23.2012 1:08 AM PDT

*scratches nuts*

Has anyone noticed the steady decline in society that started shortly after the women's rights movement?

  • 12.23.2012 1:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: General Noobus
Has anyone noticed the steady decline in society that started shortly after the women's rights movement?

Nope, just you.

  • 12.23.2012 1:14 AM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
You don't believe that sexism against men is derived from the same societal attitudes and prejudices that inform sexism against women?
Sexism as a whole is derived from nothing but the person themselves. Influence from outside sources, be it family or media does not keep you from the information that is available to teach you what is real and right. You can place blame on outside sources, but that is doing nothing to push the person towards enlightenment on the situation. Lack of education on both sides of the issues are what keep people influencing others through the medium of family or media.

The issues against men aren't the same as the issues against women. Because as can be seen through visual clues, men and women aren't the same. It should be obvious that different things are going to affect and put them down.

Posted by: General Noobus
Has anyone noticed the steady decline in society that started shortly after the women's rights movement?
I know right?

[Edited on 12.23.2012 1:26 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 1:21 AM PDT

Feminist... The whole idea of being a feminist came from a time when women were, without a doubt, terribly oppressed by there male counterparts. But that time has passed and although women still are treated unfairly to men, men in some circumstances are treated just as unfairly when compared to women.

What am I getting at hear, well what I'm saying is we should not try to solve the problem of inequality with a namesake that men can not relate to. If you wanted true equality the name would have changed to something along the lines of Equalitist.

What is the difference between the idea of an Equalitist and a Feminist, well the very clear separator is that Feminism is inherently a selfish cause. Feminism is straight forward with addressing issues that effect women but would never stride to solve a problem that effects men. Were a Equalitists would be a group of both men and women, people who wish for equality just like feminist but also interact and work with the other sex in a positive manner unlike feminists.

Oh and before you say men started the problem, yes I agree but that doesn't mean the decadents of the men who started it should be blamed.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 1:29 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 1:25 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: Xplode441
Sexism as a whole is derived from nothing but the person themselves.


That's... Just... So... Wrong...

Posted by: jonesy90000
What is the difference between the idea of an Equalitist and a Feminist, well the very clear separator is that Feminism is inherently a selfish cause.


implying feminism can only work against disadvantage for women and that feminists can only be women.

  • 12.23.2012 1:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Alex Mac Kee
If pen­ises were planes Jimmy's mouth would be an airport


Posted by: DarkBen64
Don't punch a British kid, the queen'll come after you.

The Warren Farrell thing was an example morons that happen to be feminists but not an example of feminists being morons in general.

  • 12.23.2012 1:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Harlow
Actual definition of the word "feminist".


Then a hero comes along...

  • 12.23.2012 1:51 AM PDT

Artes, Scientia, Veritas

Sapere Aude

"But I do not think we're invincible"

I absolutely guarantee that 99% of the people critiquing feminism ITT have never read any feminist literature, taken a Women's Studies course, or engaged with feminism in academically and intellectually honest way. Their only exposure to feminism is the chauvinist caricature of it perpetuated through the incredibly misogynistic internet culture and those who are directly invested in ensuring women continue to hold a lower status in society.

I have openly identified as a feminist for about a year now, and I can honestly say that I have not found a single "critique" of feminism that I have ever heard to be in any way accurate.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 2:35 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 2:00 AM PDT

I'm a feminist in the literal sense of the word, not the stereotypical portrayal in the media/online.

  • 12.23.2012 2:02 AM PDT

Artes, Scientia, Veritas

Sapere Aude

"But I do not think we're invincible"


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: Prototype117
>Want equal rights
>Want violence against woman to be illegal.


I lol'd.

  • 12.23.2012 2:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: True Underdog
Whole lotta broadbrushin' ITT.

  • 12.23.2012 2:32 AM PDT

Artes, Scientia, Veritas

Sapere Aude

"But I do not think we're invincible"


Posted by: Seggi31
The hostile, immature and misogynistic modern "Men's Rights" movement would be to blame, I'd wager.
I'd disagree. It seems to me that MRM is simply the manifestation of a larger, underlying societal misogynistic id that is being suppressed by advances in equality.

  • 12.23.2012 2:40 AM PDT

Unsuccessfully trying to bring science and reason to The Flood...

Whilst some people in this thread seem to have an idealistic view of feminism, almost 90% of the feminists I have met only spout reasons why women are unequal compared to men. They refuse to acknowledge any special treatment they receive. Maybe there is a certain percentage that do support full equality but imo it is a minority.

"Feminism is the idea that both sexes can reach equality by focusing solely on the rights of one of them"

Instances where men are discriminated:

-Child custody cases (there is a reason why 'Fathers for Justice' exists
-Reproductive Choices (i.e if a woman chooses to keep an unplanned pregnancy instead of abortion the man has no say in it.)
-Domestic violence towards men is not taken anywhere nearly as serious as it is towards women, when it arguably happens just as often.
-I know this one may be trivial, but why are men in relationships expected to pay for everything?

Yet whenever you talk to a feminist its just "WE WANT MOAR MONEY!"

It is a valid concern but saying men are superior is naive.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 3:23 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 3:21 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: xAT 117x
-Reproductive Choices (i.e if a woman chooses to keep an unplanned pregnancy instead of abortion the man has no say in it.)


That's not discrimination. On the other points, most feminists will agree with you.

Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: Seggi31
The hostile, immature and misogynistic modern "Men's Rights" movement would be to blame, I'd wager.
I'd disagree. It seems to me that MRM is simply the manifestation of a larger, underlying societal misogynistic id that is being suppressed by advances in equality.


Yeah, that's a more reasonable assertion, although I do think there is a positive feedback from MRAs.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 3:28 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 3:25 AM PDT

http://i.imgur.com/fsISj.png

Because some (not all, just some) self-proclaimed "feminists" are actually sexist in favour of females, and use the word "feminist" either because they don't understand it or think it gives them cover/credibility. These people have in turn give those sexist in favour of males an easy way to attack the movement. Thus the title of "feminist" has been dragged down into a swamp of misunderstanding and thinly-veiled sexism.

  • 12.23.2012 3:30 AM PDT