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Subject: Why is "feminist" such a dirty word, anyway?

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Posted by: NinjaLord77
Almost there.

If you are serious about change then you need to smart with something and work up. So think of something that can be changed and work on it. Can't happen all at once.
Would you elaborate, please?

  • 12.23.2012 9:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .

Feminists are virtually nonexistent.

What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.

  • 12.23.2012 9:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: NinStarRune
Feminists are virtually nonexistent.

What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.
I really don't think that's true at all. Feminism is a very existent, very important theory that a lot of people still subscribe to.

If you even did just a tiny bit of searching you could see many feminist communities striving for real, positive and equal growth. As well as finding feminist theory in many organizations around the world (such as the UN, IMF, Red Cross, et cetera).

  • 12.23.2012 9:54 AM PDT

"Life to you stepson and everlasting glory. " Thifes World.

Society is slow to change. Especially Political Governments, Religions even ideas.

Good that there are those who want equal rights. Change happens about every decade. Yet sadly there will aways be minority groups who think they are more needed than others.

Yet proven that people in power do not want change. They like things as is seeing people beat each other up over scraps. Feminist are catorgized becuse the extreme elements are women scorned man haters. Not all women are like this but these few seem to bring out the worst.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 9:58 AM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 9:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: NinStarRune
What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.
Name one way in which the modern feminist movement is anything like National Socialism. Go.

  • 12.23.2012 9:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: NinStarRune
What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.
Name one way in which the modern feminist movement is anything like National Socialism. Go.


Government intervention to make sure affirmative action supports minority percentages, regardless of quality.

  • 12.23.2012 10:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: NinStarRune
What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.
Name one way in which the modern feminist movement is anything like National Socialism. Go.


Government intervention to make sure affirmative action supports minority percentages, regardless of quality.
Yes, because we all know how zealous Hitler's Germany was about diverse representation in the government and workforce.

[/sarcasm]

I'm sorry, but do you have any idea of what actually happened in history whatsoever? We can debate the merits of Affirmative Action all day if you want (thought not on this particular forum), but to suggest that those who support Affirmative Action are anything like the National Socialist party is both asinine and insulting to those who actually suffered under National Socialist policies.

  • 12.23.2012 10:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: NinStarRune
What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.
Name one way in which the modern feminist movement is anything like National Socialism. Go.


Government intervention to make sure affirmative action supports minority percentages, regardless of quality.
Yes, because we all know how zealous Hitler's Germany was about diverse representation in the government and workforce.

[/sarcasm]

I'm sorry, but do you have any idea of what actually happened in history whatsoever? We can debate the merits of Affirmative Action all day if you want (thought not on this particular forum), but to suggest that those who support Affirmative Action are anything like the National Socialist party is both asinine and insulting to those who actually suffered under National Socialist policies.


First of all, if you're going to talk about Germany under Hitler, I'd prefer you didn't use the term "socialism", considering that's not actually socialism. While the party roughly translates to "National Socialism" in English, I didn't really think you were talking about the Na­zis, specifically.

  • 12.23.2012 10:15 AM PDT
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  • 12.23.2012 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: Elastics

Posted by: NewRadical12

Posted by: NinStarRune
What people think are "feminists" (aka femi-blam!-s) are the femmenists.
Name one way in which the modern feminist movement is anything like National Socialism. Go.


Government intervention to make sure affirmative action supports minority percentages, regardless of quality.
Yes, because we all know how zealous Hitler's Germany was about diverse representation in the government and workforce.

[/sarcasm]

I'm sorry, but do you have any idea of what actually happened in history whatsoever? We can debate the merits of Affirmative Action all day if you want (thought not on this particular forum), but to suggest that those who support Affirmative Action are anything like the National Socialist party is both asinine and insulting to those who actually suffered under National Socialist policies.


First of all, if you're going to talk about Germany under Hitler, I'd prefer you didn't use the term "socialism", considering that's not actually socialism. While the party roughly translates to "National Socialism" in English, I didn't really think you were talking about the _____, specifically.
Way to completely dodge my points.

The common shorthand name for the political ideology and party in power in Germany under Hitler is censored on this website (and I do not enjoy being banned), so I am referring to them by their long-form name. Regardless of whether or not it was accurate, it is an accepted way to refer to that party in the same way that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an acceptable way to refer to North Korea, even though it is neither democratic, nor for the people, nor even a republic (by most definitions). The capitalization should have made it clear to any person with a proper understanding of the English language and history that I was referring to a specific movement that liked to call itself that.

In conclusion, stop dodging my point by making inane quibbles over terminology that is, indeed, correct.

  • 12.23.2012 10:26 AM PDT

"Life to you stepson and everlasting glory. " Thifes World.

How does this relate to feminist ? Geez topic is off topic indeed.

Times have changed.

  • 12.23.2012 10:48 AM PDT


Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: NinjaLord77
Almost there.

If you are serious about change then you need to smart with something and work up. So think of something that can be changed and work on it. Can't happen all at once.
Would you elaborate, please?


You're the expert obviously so you tell us what needs to be done.

  • 12.23.2012 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike.


No, modern feminists want women to have more rights than men.

  • 12.23.2012 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I mean, feminists are just people who want equal rights for women and men alike. Surely any compassionate person should want that, so shouldn't they all be feminists by default? But I've seen that word thrown around like it's a grave insult - both by people using it to insult other people (e.g. "wow, what are you complaining about, you're like some kind of feminist") and people on the receiving end ("I'm not a feminist just because I believe in [blank]!"). What's the deal there? I would identify myself as a feminist. Wouldn't anyone who wants people to be treated equally do the same?




Posted by: Ben2974
Just gonna repost this...

So everyone always claims that OP is an attention whore. Other complementary insults include OP being insecure in general and in physical appearance. But for the sake of experiment, focus on one variable: attention-whore.

Well I just decided to look at OP's "Recent Posts," and I noticed a trend. OP only make threads (and most are very stirring) and post in those. If OP is not making a thread, OP doesn't seem to go on the Flood to post about anything else besides topics like these - topics related to self-image. At least that's a recent study that holds true through October 2012.

My conclusion: OP is an attention whore. Flood consensus is correct. Lock thread.

/thread


Wow I found use for my comment again!

  • 12.23.2012 10:53 AM PDT

Does anyone have lotion?
*Raises hand*
Is mayonnaise a lotion?


Posted by: MadNinja95

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
how many feminist does it take to screw in a lightbulb

>12
>one to screw it in
>one to excoriate men for creating a need for illumination
>one to blame men for creating such faulty means of illumination
>one to suggest that "screwing" the light bulb in is a bit too "ra­pe-like"
>one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic
>one to blame men for not changing the lighbulb
>one to blame men for trying to change the lightbulb and not letting women do it
>one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing lightbulbs.
>one to blame men for creating a society where women change to many lightbulbs
>one to advocate that lightbulb changers should wage parity with electricians
>one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men
>one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog as evidence that men are unnecessa


I'm sorry, I just wanted to lurk this thread now to see the idiocy and hypocrisy, but this is just genius.

  • 12.23.2012 11:08 AM PDT

The Wonderful LeSieg!


Posted by: NinjaLord77

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: NinjaLord77
Almost there.

If you are serious about change then you need to smart with something and work up. So think of something that can be changed and work on it. Can't happen all at once.
Would you elaborate, please?


You're the expert obviously so you tell us what needs to be done.
I never claimed to be an expert. My only role in this thread at all is to get people to look at a theory from a viewpoint that isn't misguided or flat-out wrong. If that's what you consider an expert it's a very loose interpretation of the term.

I was asking you by what you meant by that quote, I just wanted to know what you were referring to. I can't have a worthwhile discussion with you if I don't know where you're at, no need to patronize me.

  • 12.23.2012 11:13 AM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


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Posted by: MadNinja95

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
how many feminist does it take to screw in a lightbulb

>12
>one to screw it in
>one to excoriate men for creating a need for illumination
>one to blame men for creating such faulty means of illumination
>one to suggest that "screwing" the light bulb in is a bit too "ra­pe-like"
>one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic
>one to blame men for not changing the lighbulb
>one to blame men for trying to change the lightbulb and not letting women do it
>one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing lightbulbs.
>one to blame men for creating a society where women change to many lightbulbs
>one to advocate that lightbulb changers should wage parity with electricians
>one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men
>one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog as evidence that men are unnecessa


I'm sorry, I just wanted to lurk this thread now to see the idiocy and hypocrisy, but this is just genius.
Awww. Sad that nobody misses you?

  • 12.23.2012 11:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Awww. Sad that nobody misses you?
While the argument may be heated and tensions may flare, it does either side no good just to belittle the other. Please keep it civil for the sake of this thread remaining open.

  • 12.23.2012 11:15 AM PDT

Like anything there are extremists and moderates. Moderate Feminists do want equal rights, and are much less inclined to join a Feminist group. Extremists want to cut dicks off of all guys.

  • 12.23.2012 11:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: crispychicken49
Like anything there are extremists and moderates. Moderate Feminists do want equal rights, and are much less inclined to join a Feminist group. Extremists want to cut dicks off of all guys.
I agree with all of that except the idea that moderate feminists are less inclined to join a feminist group. Moderacy needs community as much if not more than extremism. I know many feminists as a part of feminist or feminist like groups. While I would be the first to say the personal anecdotes aren't indicative of larger assumptions, I find extremism to be concentrated and isolated in most scenarios with anything, including extremist feminists.

  • 12.23.2012 11:19 AM PDT

Posted by: Billygoat456
I'll bring the tritium laser cutters if you bring the beer!

Funny story.

Posted by: monitor 16807
I'm not in favour of a sexist paradigm, either called yourself a humanist/egalitarian or leave me alone.
Does anyone understand why using a term like feminism might encourage a sexist paradigm?

It enables a view of the world where there a is an "us" and a "them". I don't think that's productive.

  • 12.23.2012 11:19 AM PDT


Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: NinjaLord77

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: NinjaLord77
Almost there.

If you are serious about change then you need to smart with something and work up. So think of something that can be changed and work on it. Can't happen all at once.
Would you elaborate, please?


You're the expert obviously so you tell us what needs to be done.
I never claimed to be an expert. My only role in this thread at all is to get people to look at a theory from a viewpoint that isn't misguided or flat-out wrong. If that's what you consider an expert it's a very loose interpretation of the term.

I was asking you by what you meant by that quote, I just wanted to know what you were referring to. I can't have a worthwhile discussion with you if I don't know where you're at, no need to patronize me.


I'm saying you know more than me. I don't study any of this, I wasn't insulting you. I was complimenting you. You are all arguing with each other. If you want change then you have to make it happen. Forget about the term and what others think. You want things to change you have start somewhere and move up. Like in the work place, give an example of a company and how they can work on whatever you are all discussing.

  • 12.23.2012 11:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: NinjaLord77Oh I'm sorry I misinterpreted.

I am not sure that specific policies would add to the point of this thread, but I am in favor of programs such as Muhammed Yunus' microcredit to the poorest peoples in the third-world countries (which overwhelmingly represents women), and encouraging the liberalization (something different from being an American "Liberal", so keep that in mind anyone who wants to simply jump on that term) of women's rights in countries where they're most threatened, such as Southeast Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Sub-Saharan Africa.

Voting rights are a start, and once you give people equal access to employment and political influence, then you have started the events of equalizing in most other regards.

  • 12.23.2012 11:28 AM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
Some asses just aren't worth the trouble.


Posted by: joedanny96
Because feminists are generally retarded.

  • 12.23.2012 11:34 AM PDT


Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: NinjaLord77Oh I'm sorry I misinterpreted.

I am not sure that specific policies would add to the point of this thread, but I am in favor of programs such as Muhammed Yunus' microcredit to the poorest peoples in the third-world countries (which overwhelmingly represents women), and encouraging the liberalization (something different from being an American "Liberal", so keep that in mind anyone who wants to simply jump on that term) of women's rights in countries where they're most threatened, such as Southeast Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Sub-Saharan Africa.

Voting rights are a start, and once you give people equal access to employment and political influence, then you have started the events of equalizing in most other regards.


There is so much hatred, so many different opinions that it's nearly impossible to come to a reasonable solution. But with time it will happen.

  • 12.23.2012 11:40 AM PDT