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Subject: Sequels that Didn't Have to be Made!

Remember those times when we all had something better to be doing, but didn't do it? Those were good times. Gooood times

Halo 4
MW2/3

  • 12.24.2012 10:15 AM PDT

Unsuccessfully trying to bring science and reason to The Flood...

Halo 4

DiRT Showdown

Dead Space 3

COD-(past 4)

Crackdown 2

Gears of War 2/3. (I thought Gears 1 was pretty much perfect. The other 2 are not as good imo).

  • 12.24.2012 10:16 AM PDT

-Panthers are the best.
-Haters gonna hate.
-Who Dares Wins
-If your one of my real life friends. STOP GOOGLE-ING ME.
XD

I really wish they didn't make Destroy all Humans path of the furon. The older games were alright, fun with good humour. But that one was the most racist and insulting game i've ever played. The visuals looked ps1 era as well, and frequent drops to 10fps on consoles.

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  • 12.24.2012 10:16 AM PDT


Posted by: colbyrules8
What's your next thread going to be? "wuts da best halo game?"

Pathetic.

Somebody...

  • 12.24.2012 10:21 AM PDT

DmC.

I'm not even sure what the point of it is. The series wasn't exactly stagnant and 4 was the best selling game in the series. I guess dumbing down gameplay and making it really shallow might bring in a few average joes though.

  • 12.24.2012 10:27 AM PDT

Bioshock 2.

Oh god that was terrible.

and Halo 4.

  • 12.24.2012 10:30 AM PDT
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  • 12.24.2012 10:31 AM PDT

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Bioshock 2
Reach

  • 12.24.2012 10:32 AM PDT

Halo 4
Crysis 2
Fable 3/The Journey

  • 12.24.2012 10:33 AM PDT

Every Disney sequel ever.

  • 12.24.2012 10:34 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"


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Posted by: tha man
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II

Wow, I thought of that the second I saw the title. Nice choice!

  • 12.24.2012 10:37 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"


Posted by: PR1M3 R1B
DmC.

I'm not even sure what the point of it is. The series wasn't exactly stagnant and 4 was the best selling game in the series. I guess dumbing down gameplay and making it really shallow might bring in a few average joes though.

Yea, I saw no reason for this "reboot" whatsoever. 4 setup a new character (Nero), and left a large openning for room to explore his relationship to Dantes family.

  • 12.24.2012 10:39 AM PDT


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Posted by: PR1M3 R1B
DmC.

I'm not even sure what the point of it is. The series wasn't exactly stagnant and 4 was the best selling game in the series. I guess dumbing down gameplay and making it really shallow might bring in a few average joes though.

Yea, I saw no reason for this "reboot" whatsoever. 4 setup a new character (Nero), and left a large openning for room to explore his relationship to Dantes family.

Even gameplay wise, there was plenty of room to expand on 4. They could have given Nero a bigger arsenal of weapons and polished Dante and given him new weapons or even experimented with new styles.

I would love to see a new game in the series with Dante, Nero, and Vergil playable, but if this new one tanks, it could kill the series. If it does well, we may never get a DMC5. It's frustrating.

  • 12.24.2012 10:46 AM PDT

No, no, no, no, no. There is so much wrong here I can't even fathom all of it.

1. Some mysteries are better left unanswered. Besides, they could have expanded the story of the remaining Halos through books and other media.
2. He didn't say anything about coming back. Where are you getting that from?
3. No, Bias screams that his own story was done, that doesn't mean that chiefs couldn't have been finished.
4. The remaining Forerunners being alive is just a plot device to make Halo 4 (the sequel).
5. Once again, plot device.
6. The Precursors should stay as they are now, expanding on them would ruin them.
7. He could have been talking about their death, as he might have planned to die also.
8. No, the point of mankind becoming guardians was the point of this new trilogy (which wasn't needed). Halo's 1, 2, and 3 had nothing to do with mankind becoming guardians. It was all about them trying to survive.
9. The Covenant is supposed to be dissolved. This crap of "They're still remnants out there" is only a half argument since remnants of a dead faction should not be this large. They would have been plunged into a second civil war after Halo 3 before they could gather together again.
10. Did you even read the terminals in Halo 3 all the way through, or just the parts you could use for your argument? The Librarian thought that the humans were the overall more deserving species of her care since they were so weak (at the time this was created, there was no "Humans were space faring before" plot device).
11. She's dead. Dead dead dead dead dead dead DEAD. She's gone. No more! DEAD!
12. What the Hell are you talking about? MC is not a messenger, he's someone Bias chose to follow before Bias finally died at The Ark. MC is no "messenger" since there was no message to be delivered.

Halo 4 did nothing but mark the new trilogies presence in the Halo Universe and was ultimately not needed since no one asked for a new trilogy. Do people want closure to Halo 3? Yes. Do we need to do it by having a new trilogy of games? No. I'm sick of the blind Halo love especially when the lore is starting to degrade in quality.

Posted by: ajw34307
People saying Halo 4... -_-


[Edited on 12.24.2012 10:53 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 10:52 AM PDT

Nobody mentioned the biggest flop of a sequel ever? Gremlins 2 that is all.

  • 12.24.2012 10:52 AM PDT

hi

alien 3. honestly, I don't care about the fact they made the film, it was mainly that they (spoilers)


killed off half of the main characters in the first 5 minuets.

  • 12.24.2012 10:55 AM PDT


Posted by: tha man


Halo 4: I personally, think Halo 4 is a great game. However was it needed? No. I liked the ending of Halo 3, it ends how it begins and the ending led the player to interpret the Master Chief's destiny.



With 10-12 major plot points left hanging, not only was Halo 4 inevitable, but necessary for the artistic integrity of the series' story. The game resolved literally nothing that the previous games introduced.

  • 12.24.2012 10:56 AM PDT


Posted by: colbyrules8
What's your next thread going to be? "wuts da best halo game?"

Pathetic.


That's like only one of the agendas here....

OT: I actually like Duke Nukem Forever. It felt old but I like old games especially Duke Nukem 3D. Also I feel as though Doom 4 will be more liked. I don't really understand why people dislike Duke Nukem Forever so much. Sure it was just mediocre fun, but bad? Not really. I've played Halo: Reach and didn't like it and that was a very popular game. So I don't understand all this hate for Duke Nukem Forever when it has a better campaign than even Modern Warfare 3. Seriously, I like that journeying thing they did with the storyline. I know that I prefer Duke Nukem 3D cos it had more replay value but I still thought it was alright. Seriously, why do people hate it so much? I liked the puzzles and thought it was pretty well made really. I know it's not great but I don't know why people hate it so much...

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Posted by: omg a bannana
Halo 4

  • 12.24.2012 10:59 AM PDT

Neither did Halo 4. The only way you could figure out partially what was going on is to read the books. And if you have to go to external media just to figure out the story of the game, it just further shows how bad the story for the game was.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
With 10-12 major plot points left hanging, not only was Halo 4 inevitable, but necessary for the artistic integrity of the series' story. The game resolved literally nothing that the previous games introduced.

  • 12.24.2012 10:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Gaara444
No, no, no, no, no. There is so much wrong here I can't even fathom all of it.

1. Some mysteries are better left unanswered. Besides, they could have expanded the story of the remaining Halos through books and other media.

Why not a game if you're going to resolve it anyway?

2. He didn't say anything about coming back. Where are you getting that from?

"Defeat is simply an addition of time, to a sentence I never deserved, but you....imposed."

3. No, Bias screams that his own story was done, that doesn't mean that chiefs couldn't have been finished.

He tells you that he will be sending you to the Forerunners, and that the path ahead is frought with peril. I don't see how that can be taken any other way.

4. The remaining Forerunners being alive is just a plot device to make Halo 4 (the sequel).

It was introduced in Halo 3 and had been eternally hinted at throughout the trilogy, with the Great Journey and all that.

5. Once again, plot device.

Introduced in Halo 3.

6. The Precursors should stay as they are now, expanding on them would ruin them.

Ruin what? Because other than that the Forerunners revered them as gods, we knew nothing at that point.

7. He could have been talking about their death, as he might have planned to die also.

He's referring to finding the Precursors, the Great Journey's true meaning.

8. No, the point of mankind becoming guardians was the point of this new trilogy (which wasn't needed). Halo's 1, 2, and 3 had nothing to do with mankind becoming guardians. It was all about them trying to survive.

No it wasn't. Consistently throughout Halo's 1-3, 343 Spark referred to you as a Reclaimer. He constantly mistakes you for a Forerunner, and outright says that you are the inheritors of all they left behind. The plot may be about mankind trying to survive, but themes and plot are two different things. Our actions in the Covenant war--our tenacity, our resolve, our will to fight and survive--juxtaposed against the Covenant's blind fanaticism, obedience and worship, was to show why we of all races were chosen to inherit the Mantle.

That this is the thematic point of the series has been so in every written work for the franchise. Everything feeds into the idea of the Reclaimer. It may not have been directly the plot itself, not yet, but that's the definition of thematic subtext.


9. The Covenant is supposed to be dissolved. This crap of "They're still remnants out there" is only a half argument since remnants of a dead faction should not be this large. They would have been plunged into a second civil war after Halo 3 before they could gather together again.

They were. When Jul "Mdama discovers that the Forerunners are still alive, and that he can read their language, the Elites revere him as Catholics revere the Pope. A messenger from God(s).

Thus, those still loyal to the ideals of the original Covenant split off from the Arbiter and join Jul. People thinking you are literally a messenger from God can make a guy pretty powerful very fast.


10. Did you even read the terminals in Halo 3 all the way through, or just the parts you could use for your argument? The Librarian thought that the humans were the overall more deserving species of her care since they were so weak (at the time this was created, there was no "Humans were space faring before" plot device).

Our ancient empire is not the reason. We still don't know for sure what the reason is, but our unique ability to adapt and grow and learn is sure part of it. Again, juxtapose those traits next to the Covenant's.

11. She's dead. Dead dead dead dead dead dead DEAD. She's gone. No more! DEAD!

You missed his point. Halo 3 brought no closure for Cortana. Halo 4 did.

12. What the Hell are you talking about? MC is not a messenger, he's someone Bias chose to follow before Bias finally died at The Ark. MC is no "messenger" since there was no message to be delivered.

The messege is that Medicant Bias has seen the error of his ways. Bias wanted the Forerunners to know he atoned for his sins, and in order to do that, he protects the Chief and sends him to the Forerunners as proof that he now respects life once again.

Halo 4 did nothing but mark the new trilogies presence in the Halo Universe and was ultimately not needed since no one asked for a new trilogy. Do people want closure to Halo 3? Yes. Do we need to do it by having a new trilogy of games? No. I'm sick of the blind Halo love especially when the lore is starting to degrade in quality.

Posted by: ajw34307
People saying Halo 4... -_-



Posted by: Gaara444
Neither did Halo 4. The only way you could figure out partially what was going on is to read the books. And if you have to go to external media just to figure out the story of the game, it just further shows how bad the story for the game was.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
With 10-12 major plot points left hanging, not only was Halo 4 inevitable, but necessary for the artistic integrity of the series' story. The game resolved literally nothing that the previous games introduced.


Halo 4 resolved Cortana's story by giving her a proper death and a proper resolution to her fate as an AI. It helped explain the final fate of the forerunners and gave the first piece of the puzzel towards our "specialness." It explained what happened to the Covenant post-Halo 3.

And don't give me that bull-blam!- that the game doesn't explain anything about them. The game tells you they are strangely fanatical, aren't outfitted like standard military, implies they are a rogue group, and in SP:ops, they are called terrorists and criminals being lead by an Elite rather than a Prophet, juxtaposed against the "peaceful" asylum seekers back on earth.

Stacked on top of common sense--that not all Elites would just throw up their arms and embrace their entire religion collapsing around them--if you can't figure out why the Covies are hostile again, you must lack basic comprehension skills. The game does literally everything except tell you flat out what the Storm is. Do we need to go back to games where the story holds your hand the whole time?

I mean Jesus, a ten year old down the street from my house figured it out and he only has a rudimentary understanding of Halo's backstory.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 11:26 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 11:14 AM PDT

1. You don't need to resolve the holes with a new trilogy .

2. That quote came from Halo 4, that has nothing to do with the unanswered questions in Halo 3.

3. He never said anything about taking him to the Forerunners. MC's travel to Requiem was completely by accident. He just literally floated all the way there.

4. No it hasn't and you know that. "The Great Journey" the Forerunners talked about was their ultimate death. You're misreading the Forerunners words just as bad as The Covenant did.

5. No it wasn't. Introduced in Halo 4.

6. Which is how it should stay. The intrigue the Forerunners gave us is gone cause 343i keeps expanding on them. They should keep The Precursors in the dark, keep some mysteries left for the fan to speculate on, it's bad writing if you just spoon feed everything to your fans and not let them think for themselves.

7. No, once again, the Great Journey referred to the Forerunners death.

8. You're reading too far into it. Halo 1-3 was all about mankind's survival. After they survive, would they become strong? Yes. But we already knew that. This point of Humanity becoming the guardians wasn't driven in until Halo 4.

9. I don't know who the Elite is, so I'm going to assume he's from the EU. It's bad story telling if I have to be referred to the EU because it was left unanswered in the game.

10. The whole point of us growing and learning only further contradicts the point of us becoming the guardians. Every species has to do that.

11. Reread his post. He's under this delusion that Cortana's story isn't done yet.

12. When you see a character die by themselves in a movie/show/game etc. and they're speaking to someone even though they're alone, it's not real. Medicant Bias died in the same fashion. He never really sent MC as a messenger, once again, MC landing on Requiem was purely by accident.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Gaara444
No, no, no, no, no. There is so much wrong here I can't even fathom all of it.

1. Some mysteries are better left unanswered. Besides, they could have expanded the story of the remaining Halos through books and other media.

Why not a game if you're going to resolve it anyway?

2. He didn't say anything about coming back. Where are you getting that from?

"Defeat is simply an addition of time, to a sentence I never deserved, but you....[/i]imposed.[/i]"

3. No, Bias screams that his own story was done, that doesn't mean that chiefs couldn't have been finished.

He tells you that he will be sending you to the Forerunners, and that the path ahead is frought with peril. I don't see how that can be taken any other way.

4. The remaining Forerunners being alive is just a plot device to make Halo 4 (the sequel).

It was introduced in Halo 3 and had been eternally hinted at throughout the trilogy, with the Great Journey and all that.

5. Once again, plot device.

Introduced in Halo 3.

6. The Precursors should stay as they are now, expanding on them would ruin them.

Ruin what? Because other than that the Forerunners revered them as gods, we knew nothing at that point.

7. He could have been talking about their death, as he might have planned to die also.

He's referring to finding the Precursors, the Great Journey's true meaning.

8. No, the point of mankind becoming guardians was the point of this new trilogy (which wasn't needed). Halo's 1, 2, and 3 had nothing to do with mankind becoming guardians. It was all about them trying to survive.

No it wasn't. Consistently throughout Halo's 1-3, 343 Spark referred to you as a Reclaimer. He constantly mistakes you for a Forerunner, and outright says that you are the inheritors of all they left behind. The plot may be about mankind trying to survive, but themes and plot are two different things. Our actions in the Covenant war--our tenacity, our resolve, our will to fight and survive--juxtaposed against the Covenant's blind fanaticism, obedience and worship, was to show why we of all races were chosen to inherit the Mantle.

That this is the thematic point of the series has been so in every written work for the franchise. Everything feeds into the idea of the Reclaimer. It may not have been directly the plot itself, not yet, but that's the definition of thematic subtext.


9. The Covenant is supposed to be dissolved. This crap of "They're still remnants out there" is only a half argument since remnants of a dead faction should not be this large. They would have been plunged into a second civil war after Halo 3 before they could gather together again.

They were. When Jul "Mdama discovers that the Forerunners are still alive, and that he can read their language, the Elites revere him as Catholics revere the Pope. A messenger from God(s).

Thus, those still loyal to the ideals of the original Covenant split off from the Arbiter and join Jul. People thinking you are literally a messenger from God can make a guy pretty powerful very fast.


10. Did you even read the terminals in Halo 3 all the way through, or just the parts you could use for your argument? The Librarian thought that the humans were the overall more deserving species of her care since they were so weak (at the time this was created, there was no "Humans were space faring before" plot device).

Our ancient empire is not the reason. We still don't know for sure what the reason is, but our unique ability to adapt and grow and learn is sure part of it. Again, juxtapose those traits next to the Covenant's.

11. She's dead. Dead dead dead dead dead dead DEAD. She's gone. No more! DEAD!

You missed his point. Halo 3 brought no closure for Cortana. Halo 4 did.

12. What the Hell are you talking about? MC is not a messenger, he's someone Bias chose to follow before Bias finally died at The Ark. MC is no "messenger" since there was no message to be delivered.

The messege is that Medicant Bias has seen the error of his ways. Bias wanted the Forerunners to know he atoned for his sins, and in order to do that, he protects the Chief and sends him to the Forerunners as proof that he now respects life once again.

Halo 4 did nothing but mark the new trilogies presence in the Halo Universe and was ultimately not needed since no one asked for a new trilogy. Do people want closure to Halo 3? Yes. Do we need to do it by having a new trilogy of games? No. I'm sick of the blind Halo love especially when the lore is starting to degrade in quality.

Posted by: ajw34307
People saying Halo 4... -_-

  • 12.24.2012 11:35 AM PDT

MW2

Halo 4



  • 12.24.2012 11:39 AM PDT

Cortana's death was the conclusion to her story, nothing more. Trying to throw in all this 2deep4u crap about it symbolizing something is totally false.

Don't give me that crap about the Covenant either. Terrorists, Rogue Groups, and Pirates aren't supposed to be as large as what we were facing in Halo 4. It's almost as if The Covenant didn't die at all.

I call bull-blam!- on some kiddie knowing all this too. If he has a understanding of Halo's backstory then he must have some knowledge from the EU. And as I stated earlier, if you have to go to the EU just to get any answers that weren't in the game, it only shows had bad the story was.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I mean Jesus, a ten year old down the street from my house figured it out and he only has a rudimentary understanding of Halo's backstory.


[Edited on 12.24.2012 11:43 AM PST]

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