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Subject: I think I found my main problem with Halo 4... [Spoilers]
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IMO, the main problem of Halo 4 is that it didn't go for an overall emotional tone for the game. I'm not saying the game was devoid of emotion (that's FAR from what I believe, in fact), but when I go to think of the game, I think of many well made moments put together. I can't put my finger on an overall tone for the game.

The original Halo trilogy did emotional tone really well- and that's because the choir and art style meshed together so perfectly and created a lasting flow that resonated throughout the game. Mass Effect 1 and 2 did as well- there was a specific... vibe that the game gave off.

With Halo 4, though the campaign IMO is very, very good, I just can't put my finger on a tone, or "vibe". I think my ultimate piece of advice for 343 when making Halo 5 and the Reclaimer trilogy as a whole is to not to exclusively focus on setting an emotional tone for each specific moment- but to set an emotional tone for the entire game as well.

Thoughts?

EDIT: Don't think of this as me hating on the campaign. I loved the campaign.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 8:47 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 7:22 PM PDT
Subject: You know what guys? I think I found my main problem with Halo 4...
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Wait a second, didn't Kenneth Scott say that the "art design for Halo 4 was not about setting an emotional tone for Halo 4?"

If so, I strongly suggest he reconsider.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 7:24 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 7:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
It was the music OP. It had more emotion than any other halo game but the music dulled it out.


A) That's not the point I'm trying to make. Halo 4 did stir more emotion than any other Halo game, IMO.

B) Davidge hit the nail on the head IMO

C) What I'm saying is there isn't an overall tone, or "vibe" that the game gives off. Only partly be due to the music as Davidge decided to go for creating 15 separate, individual key themes instead of a Marty style soundtrack but it's mainly due to the overall atmosphere.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 7:31 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 7:27 PM PDT

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Oh look, another Halo 4 love/hate/bash/IMO thread...

TL;DR

  • 12.23.2012 7:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: AR IS4 NUBS
Oh look, another Halo 4 love/hate/bash/IMO thread...

TL;DR


lol, I'm not who you think I am.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 8:08 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 7:42 PM PDT
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So... only 1 legitimate reply that's not myself?

Wow. You guys really hate reading don't you? No wonder you hate Halo 4's story.

  • 12.23.2012 7:53 PM PDT

Have yet to play the campaign. Will keep this in mind when I get to it, though.

  • 12.23.2012 7:55 PM PDT

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Interestin analysis OP. I can kind of reach the same conclusion if I see it from your perspective.

  • 12.23.2012 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Haloroach
So... only 1 legitimate reply that's not myself?

Wow. You guys really hate reading don't you? No wonder you hate Halo 4's story.

Posted by: Haloroach
WAHHH, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. I WROTE IT SO YOU HAVE TO READ IT, NO WONDER YOU DIDNT LILE A CAMPAIGN WITH MULTIPLE FLAWS IN IT.


[Edited on 12.23.2012 8:00 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 7:58 PM PDT

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  • 12.23.2012 7:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Haloroach
IMO, the main problem of Halo 4 is that it didn't go for an overall emotional tone for the game.

My two cents.

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lol, you have no idea who I am do you?

No. Should I?

  • 12.23.2012 8:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Haloroach
So... only 1 legitimate reply that's not myself?

Wow. You guys really hate reading don't you? No wonder you hate Halo 4's story.

Posted by: Haloroach
WAHHH, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. I WROTE IT SO YOU HAVE TO READ IT, NO WONDER YOU DIDNT LILE A CAMPAIGN WITH MULTIPLE FLAWS IN IT.


A) Caught your fail.

B) Of course I want people to pay attention when I've made a rather long post. If you don't want to pay attention then don't post at all.

C) I -blam!-ing loved the Halo 4 campaign.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 8:02 PM PST]

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Posted by: Haloroach
IMO, the main problem of Halo 4 is that it didn't go for an overall emotional tone for the game.

My two cents.

Posted by: Haloroach
lol, you have no idea who I am do you?

No. Should I?


A) How?

B) ... second time I look at that it sounds kind of condescending. Apologies if it seemed that way. It seemed as if he thought I was one of those bandwagon Halo 4 haters or one of those fanboys raging at the bandwagon haters.

  • 12.23.2012 8:03 PM PDT

She walks around and makes beaver noises.
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Posted by: GeorgeThePirate
Posted by: Haloroach
IMO, the main problem of Halo 4 is that it didn't go for an overall emotional tone for the game.

My two cents.

Posted by: Haloroach
lol, you have no idea who I am do you?

No. Should I?


A) How?

B) ... second time I look at that it sounds kind of condescending. Apologies if it seemed that way. It seemed as if he thought I was one of those bandwagon Halo 4 haters or one of those fanboys raging at the bandwagon haters.

It came out as dickish to me. Glad you weren't implying it that way. Anyways. I just found it funny when you said emotional tone for some strange reason.

  • 12.23.2012 8:06 PM PDT

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I think what you're feeling is the lack of the "last stand" sort of feel.

Have you noticed that you never truly win at the end of every Halo?

Halo Wars - Blew yourself up to stop the Covenant and doomed the Spirit of Fire to be stranded in space.

Halo Reach - All of your team dies (Including you) in order to protect the planet, and you still end up losing Reach.

Halo CE - Destroyed Halo, allowed the Covenant to learn the location of Earth, lost Captain Keys, The Pillar of Autumn, and every soldier besides Johnson and Master Chief.

Halo 2 - Losing the battle of earth, unleashed the Flood, and lost Cortana.

Halo ODST - Losing the battle on earth.

Halo 3 - Stranded in space and presumed dead.

Halo 4 - Cortana dies

Now, the thing is, of course losing Cortana is a MAJOR loss... But that's pretty much the only loss. And to put it simply, Humanity kicks too much ass in Halo 4. You just don't feel as vulnerable, and even Lasky says in the intro to War Games that the human race has evolved so much that they no longer hide from the enemy, but actually seek to destroy them.

TL;DR: Halo 4 just doesn't have the same epic feel as the original trilogy, but is still a very good game.

  • 12.23.2012 8:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: The 7th Taco
I think what you're feeling is the lack of the "last stand" sort of feel.

Have you noticed that you never truly win at the end of every Halo?

Halo Wars - Blew yourself up to stop the Covenant and doomed the Spirit of Fire to be stranded in space.

Halo Reach - All of your team dies (Including you) in order to protect the planet, and you still end up losing Reach.

Halo CE - Destroyed Halo, allowed the Covenant to learn the location of Earth, lost Captain Keys, The Pillar of Autumn, and every soldier besides Johnson and Master Chief.

Halo 2 - Losing the battle of earth, unleashed the Flood, and lost Cortana.

Halo ODST - Losing the battle on earth.

Halo 3 - Stranded in space and presumed dead.

Halo 4 - Cortana dies

Now, the thing is, of course losing Cortana is a MAJOR loss... But that's pretty much the only loss. And to put it simply, Humanity kicks too much ass in Halo 4. You just don't feel as vulnerable, and even Lasky says in the intro to War Games that the human race has evolved so much that they no longer hide from the enemy, but actually seek to destroy them.

TL;DR: Halo 4 just doesn't have the same epic feel as the original trilogy, but is still a very good game.


It's not that either. Halo 4 did the whole loss thing really well, IMO. Lasky telling Chief that soldiers weren't just machines and Chief reflecting upon what Cortana thought with the Never Forget-esque piano chords in the background hit me pretty hard.

It's just...

Think about Halo CE- Halo 3. What was the overall tone? To me it consisted of the ethereal female choir, ambient, alien beauty, and an "ancient yet advanced" sort of feel.

ODST- Loneliness. Darkness. Light at the end.

Reach- Despair, tragedy and dread (though how well it did this is another matter entirely).

Halo 4? I can think of many highly memorable moments, but I can't put together an overall emotional tone, or a consistent feel for the game.

  • 12.23.2012 8:35 PM PDT

Make a thread saying you will counter any argument against armor lock...

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Posted by: Haloroach
So... only 1 legitimate reply that's not myself?

Wow. You guys really hate reading don't you? No wonder you hate Halo 4's story.

Readings hard bro.

I tried sounding out Halo 4s story but all that came out were the sounds of constipation.

  • 12.23.2012 8:41 PM PDT
Subject: I think I found my main problem with Halo 4... [Spoilers]
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Story was good. It's just the gameplay I hate.

Easy: not as useful as in the trilogy. By that, I mean the damage can be pretty high. There's too much emphasis on cover in a difficulty where I'm supposed to be a god... also the lack of AI collections. That's disappointing. Lastly, marine performance. Um I thought the point of Easy was to have damage sponge durable marines with killing efficiency, not these frail incompetents.
Normal: non-existent
Heroic: non-existent
Legendary: not as engaging as CE, still cheap

  • 12.23.2012 9:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: Haloroach
So... only 1 legitimate reply that's not myself?

Wow. You guys really hate reading don't you? No wonder you hate Halo 4's story.

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WAHHH, PAY ATTENTION TO ME. I WROTE IT SO YOU HAVE TO READ IT, NO WONDER YOU DIDNT LILE A CAMPAIGN WITH MULTIPLE FLAWS IN IT.

  • 12.23.2012 9:06 PM PDT
Subject: I think I found my main problem with Halo 4... [Spoilers]
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The problem with the campaign was that the soundtrack wasn't dominant like it is in the other Halo games.

All of the 'deep' cutscenes are lacking any soundtrack music at all, and when they do have it, it's really faint.

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Story was good. It's just the gameplay I hate.

Easy: not as useful as in the trilogy. By that, I mean the damage can be pretty high. There's too much emphasis on cover in a difficulty where I'm supposed to be a god... also the lack of AI collections. That's disappointing. Lastly, marine performance. Um I thought the point of Easy was to have damage sponge durable marines with killing efficiency, not these frail incompetents.
Normal: non-existent
Heroic: non-existent
Legendary: not as engaging as CE, still cheap


A) Story was fantastic IMO

B) Core gameplay was good IMO, though level design sucked complete a$$. Oh, aside from Chief's sluggish as hell shields.

C) This is about the overall experience. I just can't put my finger on the specific "vibe" of the game like I can with every Halo of the past.

[Edited on 12.23.2012 9:09 PM PST]

  • 12.23.2012 9:07 PM PDT

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From a Halo fan and a fan of Halo 4, there was one massive issue in the game. It was built by the fans, for the fans. Most games that are sequels are made to come after the previous title. Redundant sentence isn't so redundant however. Title 1 leads to title 2 yes? However with Halo 4 there were quite a few things that you would have to go outside of the games themselves to understand. IE, whats his face's relation to the chief you would need to watch FUD, to understand who or what the didact and libraian were you would need to read the books, and even why Dr. Halsey was a war criminal was another book thing. If you weren't a fan of the game and read the books, quite a few things had to be assumed from context rather than going back to an older game to figure it out.

  • 12.23.2012 9:10 PM PDT

Make a thread saying you will counter any argument against armor lock...

Then respond with Adapt.

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Does anyone else read Haloroachs post as if they are a multiple choice question on a test?

I tried circling them with a permanent marker, but that only ruined my computer screen. Roach, you owe me a new computer screen.

  • 12.23.2012 9:12 PM PDT
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Does anyone else read Haloroachs post as if they are a multiple choice question on a test?

I tried circling them with a permanent marker, but that only ruined my computer screen. Roach, you owe me a new computer screen.


A) You forgot the apostrophe.

B) You weren't supposed to circle them.

C) Why the -blam!- are you using a permanent marker on a test?

  • 12.23.2012 9:14 PM PDT

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