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Subject: Why I did not like the Didact as an antagonist in Halo 4

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: burritosenior
You read the novels? Well you should be aware then that a common theory is that the Didact in Halo 4 is the original Didact, the one that did not like humans. The Didact in Primordium is the Bornstellar Didact who was friendly with them. Since we now know for the last book in the trilogy that the first Didact was not killed but instead left on a Flood Infested Forerunner planet, and that the book was purposely delayed because it had massive Halo 4 spoilers, many believe the Didact is the original and somehow escaped the planet and came back into power.
The quote from Primordium was from the Ur-Didact, ie the original, to the Lord of Admirals, the same Didact in Halo 4. The hatred seen by the Didact in Halo 4 was also radically different than his behavior in both Forerunner novels.
Maybe Silentium will explain the personality shift. The cover art is his newer armor holding a sphere of the Librarian.

  • 12.23.2012 11:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
You read the novels? Well you should be aware then that a common theory is that the Didact in Halo 4 is the original Didact, the one that did not like humans. The Didact in Primordium is the Bornstellar Didact who was friendly with them. Since we now know for the last book in the trilogy that the first Didact was not killed but instead left on a Flood Infested Forerunner planet, and that the book was purposely delayed because it had massive Halo 4 spoilers, many believe the Didact is the original and somehow escaped the planet and came back into power.


Which Didact is Bungie terminal Didact? He was the best one.



Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Dragonzzilla
How would the Didact become the new Darth Vader exactly?


With everything collapsing around him, much like Anakin Skywalker, the Didact would gradually descend into madness and the path of evil. It would make him a tragic villain.


And not an Ancient Evil that is waking up.

  • 12.23.2012 11:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: burritosenior
You read the novels? Well you should be aware then that a common theory is that the Didact in Halo 4 is the original Didact, the one that did not like humans. The Didact in Primordium is the Bornstellar Didact who was friendly with them. Since we now know for the last book in the trilogy that the first Didact was not killed but instead left on a Flood Infested Forerunner planet, and that the book was purposely delayed because it had massive Halo 4 spoilers, many believe the Didact is the original and somehow escaped the planet and came back into power.
The quote from Primordium was from the Ur-Didact, ie the original, to the Lord of Admirals, the same Didact in Halo 4. The hatred seen by the Didact in Halo 4 was also radically different than his behavior in both Forerunner novels.
Maybe Silentium will explain the personality shift. The cover art is his newer armor holding a sphere of the Librarian.


I still prefer the previous art, the new art doesn't fit the tone of the Forerunner Saga in my opinion.

  • 12.23.2012 11:59 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

Plot twist- he's really secretly being controlled by the Gravemind.

  • 12.23.2012 11:59 PM PDT

I mean it in my bio. I'm not going to join your clan.

I detest taking orders by some "high-ranking" guy who is just power hungry to control people's avatars over a video game.

The ending of Halo 4 also had some characteristics of other game endings that caught my eye.

Cortana just grabs the Didact and flies around him, which reminds me of Navi from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Also, the light bridge reminds me of the rainbow bridge the Seven Sages create.

The ending was surprisingly like the generic "Call of Duty, you're about to die, press the magic button, someone else saves you, you kill him, person who saves you dies."

Also, the nuke was right next to Chief so it SHOULD have killed him, yet Cortana suddenly makes herself able to touch Chief and save him from a blast not only from a nuke, but a Forerunner ship blowing to smithereens.

It's just too unbelievable.

  • 12.24.2012 12:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Dragonzzilla
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Dragonzzilla
How would the Didact become the new Darth Vader exactly?
With everything collapsing around him, much like Anakin Skywalker, the Didact would gradually descend into madness and the path of evil. It would make him a tragic villain.
Didn't everything already fall apart for him? How could that possibly work in Halo 4's time period?
He'd have 100,000 years to stew on that in the Cryptum, at least in theory.
Not sure how that equates. I require assistance.

  • 12.24.2012 12:00 AM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The quote from Primordium was from the Ur-Didact, ie the original, to the Lord of Admirals, the same Didact in Halo 4.
I don't remember the specifics of the book very well, to be honest. But from what I remember, the first Didact wasn't in the book at all. The Didact at the end was Bornstellar, no?

The hatred seen by the Didact in Halo 4 was also radically different than his behavior in both Forerunner novels. See, this confuses me. The Didact hating humans is fine if you have no background in the novels. But you're saying it's bad because you've read part of the novels. When it is common knowledge that there is a whole third of his story missing still that we all know has INCREDIBLE relevance to Halo 4, doesn't it strike you as a little silly to be saying something like this doesn't make sense?
:/

  • 12.24.2012 12:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mad Cat 74
The ending of Halo 4 also had some characteristics of other game endings that caught my eye.

Cortana just grabs the Didact and flies around him, which reminds me of Navi from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Also, the light bridge reminds me of the rainbow bridge the Seven Sages create.

The ending was surprisingly like the generic "Call of Duty, you're about to die, press the magic button, someone else saves you, you kill him, person who saves you dies."

Also, the nuke was right next to Chief so it SHOULD have killed him, yet Cortana suddenly makes herself able to touch Chief and save him from a blast not only from a nuke, but a Forerunner ship blowing to smithereens.

It's just too unbelievable.
Dude, space magic.

  • 12.24.2012 12:01 AM PDT

Pootis


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Posted by: Shunfglol2
They're just building his character up, that's why.
I'm sure in Halo 6 he'll be the final boss.


Maybe. But the Prophets, hell not even any, Covenant leaders were in Halo CE.

They were only introduced in Halo 2 and they were interesting from the opening cinematic.

The Dildact is boring and clcihed.

That's because Bungie went all like "Hurr durr let's scratch everything we had and make a new campaign where you play as an Elite" and didn't plan that from the start of CE.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 12:02 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 12:01 AM PDT

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Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

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Posted by: Elysian
It's just too unbelievable.

>believable
>Halo (or any video game)

loldudepickone

Video games aren't really meant to be "believable". And I don't consider that a plot hole.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 12:05 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 12:03 AM PDT

Pootis


Posted by: Mad Cat 74
The ending of Halo 4 also had some characteristics of other game endings that caught my eye.

Cortana just grabs the Didact and flies around him, which reminds me of Navi from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Also, the light bridge reminds me of the rainbow bridge the Seven Sages create.

The ending was surprisingly like the generic "Call of Duty, you're about to die, press the magic button, someone else saves you, you kill him, person who saves you dies."

Also, the nuke was right next to Chief so it SHOULD have killed him, yet Cortana suddenly makes herself able to touch Chief and save him from a blast not only from a nuke, but a Forerunner ship blowing to smithereens.

It's just too unbelievable.

HARDLIGHT, HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND?

  • 12.24.2012 12:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: Elysian
It's just too unbelievable.

>believable
>Halo

loldudepickone
qff

  • 12.24.2012 12:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
I don't remember the specifics of the book very well, to be honest. But from what I remember, the first Didact wasn't in the book at all. The Didact at the end was Bornstellar, no?


He appears in a flashback from the Lord of Admirals. The Didact at the end is the Bornsteller-Didact, but the Ur-Didact does appear.

See, this confuses me. The Didact hating humans is fine if you have no background in the novels. But you're saying it's bad because you've read part of the novels. When it is common knowledge that there is a whole third of his story missing still that we all know has INCREDIBLE relevance to Halo 4, doesn't it strike you as a little silly to be saying something like this doesn't make sense?
:/


I shouldn't have to read a book in the future to know the importance of the story in Halo 4. I'm sure the book will shed light on the issue, but at this time it does not make sense.

  • 12.24.2012 12:05 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

Posted by: Elysian
Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: Elysian
It's just too unbelievable.

>believable
>Halo

loldudepickone
qff

qft

  • 12.24.2012 12:06 AM PDT
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Didact in a nutshell: hyped up for marketing. That's it.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
To wrap this thing up, the final confrontation was terrible too. One QTE and he is done. Personally, I would've used QTEs for a fight, but expand on it. Have the Chief actually fight the Didact with jabs to his face, duck and block blows from the Didact and seemingly incapacitate him. He would run to arm the nuke, but be grabbed, pulled toward the Didact and get punched the -blam!- out! Then Cortana would bind him and, instead of a pulse grenade, maybe Chief could shove the nuke in the Didact's armor and push him off the bridge and actually give him a realistic chance to escape the nukes detonation. Sorry if that seems contrived, but it works better in my head ;p.
Chief sucked as much as he did in-game.

I used to think he was just slow but now I think he's just too old for this -blam!-.

  • 12.24.2012 12:08 AM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I shouldn't have to read a book in the future to know the importance of the story in Halo 4.
Why? Why should you not have to read the entire story for it to make sense? It's like you're saying if you read books 1-8 of a series, skip 9-13, and go to 14 you shouldn't have the read those four books to understand what is going on. It just doesn't make sense. If you're going to judge based on background knowledge you have then fine, but judging based off something everybody knows is incomplete just seems pretty ridiculous.

I'm sure the book will shed light on the issue, but at this time it does not make sense.
Because you don't have 1/3rd of the story. Seems sort of like a common sense deal that you should wait for the ending to a trilogy before saying something you skipped ahead and saw doesn't make sense...

  • 12.24.2012 12:10 AM PDT

The didact is supposed to be the good guy...

inb4 I misinterpreted the novels.

  • 12.24.2012 12:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Didact in a nutshell: hyped up for marketing. That's it.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
To wrap this thing up, the final confrontation was terrible too. One QTE and he is done. Personally, I would've used QTEs for a fight, but expand on it. Have the Chief actually fight the Didact with jabs to his face, duck and block blows from the Didact and seemingly incapacitate him. He would run to arm the nuke, but be grabbed, pulled toward the Didact and get punched the -blam!- out! Then Cortana would bind him and, instead of a pulse grenade, maybe Chief could shove the nuke in the Didact's armor and push him off the bridge and actually give him a realistic chance to escape the nukes detonation. Sorry if that seems contrived, but it works better in my head ;p.
Chief sucked as much as he did in-game.

I used to think he was just slow but now I think he's just too old for this -blam!-.



Del Rio was right about him and Cortana.



Posted by: l0N0H3lKABANZAl
The didact is supposed to be the good guy...

inb4 I misinterpreted the novels.


I thought so too, from the terminals prior. But okay, tagline says otherwise.

  • 12.24.2012 12:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
Why? Why should you not have to read the entire story for it to make sense? It's like you're saying if you read books 1-8 of a series, skip 9-13, and go to 14 you shouldn't have the read those four books to understand what is going on. It just doesn't make sense. If you're going to judge based on background knowledge you have then fine, but judging based off something everybody knows is incomplete just seems pretty ridiculous.


In the same way I shouldn't have to read any of the Robots series or Empire series of Issac Asimov's to know what is going on in the Foundation novels. They are all within the same canon, yet each is self-contained and you are not disadvantaged if you don't read one particular series. They compliment each other.

Likewise, if the third novel is supposed to be important to the story in the game, it should've released before it, not after it. Still, it was delayed to incorporate elements of Halo 4 in it, so I doubt anything groundbreaking will be revealed. The Terminals gave us a glimpse of what to expect, yet they did diddly.

Because you don't have 1/3rd of the story. Seems sort of like a common sense deal that you should wait for the ending to a trilogy before saying something you skipped ahead and saw doesn't make sense...

It is not my responsibility to read something in the future in order for 343i to tell the story. They should HELP me along, but I ultimately should not have to wait about 4 months after the game is released for everything to make sense. As of now, the Didact was not a good antagonist in Halo 4. Maybe things will change in Silentium? Perhaps, but reading the book will not make up for the vagueness and poor storytelling in Halo 4.

  • 12.24.2012 12:21 AM PDT

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
In the same way I shouldn't have to read any of the Robots series or Empire series of Issac Asimov's to know what is going on in the Foundation novels. They are all within the same canon, yet each is self-contained and you are not disadvantaged if you don't read one particular series. They compliment each other.
... Because they're separate. They aren't a continuation of the exact same story. The Forerunner trilogy... it's a trilogy. One story over three books. Are you going to complain that you read the first two Harry Potters and when you found out Voldemort dies in book seven you complained about how it made absolutely no sense because Harry was only a second year last you saw?



Likewise, if the third novel is supposed to be important to the story in the game, it should've released before it, not after it. Still, it was delayed to incorporate elements of Halo 4 in it, so I doubt anything groundbreaking will be revealed. The Terminals gave us a glimpse of what to expect, yet they did diddly.
It was finished well before Halo 4 release. It was delayed because it has a lot of Halo 4 spoilers according to Frankie. Your 'should' is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the people in charge think you're completely wrong. So... yeah...

It is not my responsibility to read something in the future in order for 343i to tell the story. They should HELP me along, but I ultimately should not have to wait about 4 months after the game is released for everything to make sense.If you want it to make sense, you need to know the whole story or don't judge it based off the story at all. It's a very simple concept. Judging something when you are aware you have a very incomplete knowledge of it is just... well it's kind of dumb.
:/

but reading the book will not make up for the vagueness and poor storytelling in Halo 4. It was fine if you didn't read the books. And it likely will be if you read all the books. You really are complaining because you don't have the whole story. It's pretty silly...

  • 12.24.2012 12:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: finalknight92
Didact doesn't feel like an enemy. Lol ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS, ahahahaha.

Too forced, too cliched.
Lol this.

He actually didn't seem evil at all to me. Just a prejudiced idiot blinded by hatred.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 12:28 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 12:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: burritosenior
... Because they're separate. They aren't a continuation of the exact same story. The Forerunner trilogy... it's a trilogy. One story over three books. Are you going to complain that you read the first two Harry Potters and when you found out Voldemort dies in book seven you complained about how it made absolutely no sense because Harry was only a second year last you saw?


No. The difference being is that all the Harry Potter books exist and skipping them is flawed logic. Silentium does not exist, so I can't factor it.

It was finished well before Halo 4 release. It was delayed because it has a lot of Halo 4 spoilers according to Frankie. Your 'should' is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the people in charge think you're completely wrong. So... yeah...

So because they think it will change what I think, I am wrong? We'll see about that. And I still don't see why it can't release in January and/or February. It has spoilers, yes, but by January the game will have been out for 2 months.

If you want it to make sense, you need to know the whole story or don't judge it based off the story at all. It's a very simple concept. Judging something when you are aware you have a very incomplete knowledge of it is just... well it's kind of dumb.
:/


So it is dumb for me to expect the story of the game to be properly told...in the game. What madness.

It was fine if you didn't read the books. And it likely will be if you read all the books. You really are complaining because you don't have the whole story. It's pretty silly...

It is silly of me to say a character in a video game is bad as a villain because of motives and behavior not shown in the game and not backed up by the canon because I have not read a book that does not exist yet?

[Edited on 12.24.2012 12:37 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 12:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mad Cat 74
It's like if Hank from King of the Hill suddenly had to become a Green Beret to save the town from invading Chinese communists.

  • 12.24.2012 12:53 AM PDT

He dislikes humans and blames them for quite a bit. The deaths of his children, the extinction of his race, and the Forerunner loss of the mantle. His civilization had so much and all of it was lost because of the humans. He had so much and all of it taken away from him because of humanity. He has reason to hate. Though he was poorly executed.

The Composer was the easiest way for him to eliminate humanity and become more powerful in the process. It makes sense.

I will give you he was a poorly executed villian and there are some contradiction between the Forerunner trilogy and Halo 4.

  • 12.24.2012 1:40 AM PDT

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