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I'm not saying Halo is "rubbish". Why does everyone say that the instant someone suggests somthing that Halo could have done better? I'm just saying it's ironic. At least this isn't a post that's been copied 1000s of times like Halo 3 ending ideas.

  • 07.06.2006 12:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: johnny_deg
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eait...So your telling us you wanted Bungie team to look into the future.... see what weapons we have in 545 years, and then decide to design their game with those weapons?


Listen. Its Bungie's game. They design it how they want to, with realisticty to this modern age.

No, but I think the people making FEAR did a pretty good job with their weapons, how about thinking outside the box like they did?


EDIT: BTW, I'm not "beetching" as you so elegantly put it, I was making a valid point with relevancy to the 21st century, if I was "beetching", I would be saying how stupid Bungie was, on the contrary, I just suggested a different path that Bungie could have taken.

How bout in MC's time we have the human race populated on thousands of other planets, making countless expanable marines, MAC guns, pelicans and all that other exspensive stuff. I think that would all cost like "10 billion gazillion trillion ZEZIMA thillion shillion" dollars.

So stop beetching about halo2. if you dont like it, i'll have your copy of it. I for one actually like it. And if we had some giantly powerful weapons.. and won the war straight away.. what would be the point in the haloverse games????


P-S... Theres a scarab gun on metropolitis for those who still want to beetch.

Look at the title, does it say "Why I hate Halo..." NO it does not, it says "kinda ironic" because I think it's funny that we're already ahead of Halo in hand gun capability.


So your saying that the Haloverse is an exact Duplicate of this universes timeline?? WOW!!! really? So it has nothing to do with bungies view on a made up universe, but what will really happen in this universe? COOLIO


whole sarcasm thing going there. and its haloverse. not realverse.


Yeah... and are we to assume that Bungie pulled this "Haloverse" as you so aptly called it, out of it's ass? Come one now... the game has no choice BUT to be based on reality... it's not like Mario or Final Fantasy, it's a science fiction game... key word: science. Bungie didn't exactly realisticaly portray what types of weapons we could have in the future, based on the technology of today.

  • 07.06.2006 12:27 AM PDT
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well actually there were like 3billions versions of this about halo2.
this is like the 3rd time ive seen this.

and yeah, i do agree that halo weapons could have been stronger. but like i said before. its the bungieverse and haloverse. not our universe or timeline. ok?

  • 07.06.2006 12:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: johnny_deg
well actually there were like 3billions versions of this about halo2.
this is like the 3rd time ive seen this.

and yeah, i do agree that halo weapons could have been stronger. but like i said before. its the bungieverse and haloverse. not our universe or timeline. ok?

That's why it's ironic (like I said in the title), the "realverse" is already ahead in certain aspects than the "haloverse". I'm not saying that Halo relates in any way to our universe, but you can't stand there and say the rocket launcher is a state-of-the-art new concept nobody has ever heard of, like the sniper rifle, are you?

  • 07.06.2006 12:31 AM PDT
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Well it appears these weapons have been created after Halo 2, maybe in Halo 3 they will be stronger, but it aint easy to realisticly model the physics and power of a weapon, let alon trying to take that and add 500 years of technological advancements to it.

  • 07.06.2006 12:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dragon X
Well it appears these weapons have been created after Halo 2, maybe in Halo 3 they will be stronger, but it aint easy to realisticly model the physics and power of a weapon, let alon trying to take that and add 500 years of technological advancements to it.



totally agree. except with the Assault Rifel. why put it in, take it away, then put it back in?!?!

  • 07.06.2006 12:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dragon X
Well it appears these weapons have been created after Halo 2, maybe in Halo 3 they will be stronger, but it aint easy to realisticly model the physics and power of a weapon, let alon trying to take that and add 500 years of technological advancements to it.


Well it seems to me that Bungie could have at least seen further into the future than a couple of years, because they modeled all of their weapons (human mind you) off of current models, and there isn't anyone here that can prove otherwise. Look, the point is that I didn't expect them to see 500 years into the future of weaponry, but I had some expectations that weren't met in Halo 2, however, Halo CE's weapons were futuristic (more than Halo 2) Halo CE's pistol was the closest thing to futuristic, since it was incredibly accurate and better than anything currently available.

  • 07.06.2006 12:38 AM PDT
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The 10MM High Velocity Penetrator from FEAR is a very realistic weapon that launches 10MM metal rods at near-supersonic speeds using a magnetic accelerator, which is in development... Here, for example, you can read about rail guns and research it further. Also, the Army has a weapon made of a stack of 20x20 gun barrels (I can't confirm the actual design) that shoot caseless, powederless ammunition one after the other using electromagnets at a rate of about 8000 rounds per minute or higher...

This just proves that it's possible to design futuristic yet realistic weapons in games.

  • 07.06.2006 12:39 AM PDT
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No offense Johan, but it appears that if you doubt or have any suggestions regarding Halo in any way on these boards, you get flamed.

[Edited on 7/6/2006]

  • 07.06.2006 12:41 AM PDT
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I think that what Bungie made works just fine but they just made the Halo story too far into the future. If they had said that it took place in 2045, this forum most likely wouldn't exist.

BTW... hopefully you saw the 'Fire-and-Forget' rocket launcher on Future Weapons. That thing is insane.

  • 07.06.2006 12:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: CreepyGuyAtWork
I think that what Bungie made works just fine but they just made the Halo story too far into the future. If they had said that it took place in 2045, this forum most likely wouldn't exist.

BTW... hopefully you saw the 'Fire-and-Forget' rocket launcher on Future Weapons. That thing is insane.

The Javelin? No doubt, talk about kick ass. Oh, and yeah, if the story had been in maybe the 2200s, it would have worked better. That way, the weapons wouldn't be too advanced to vary drastically with what's currently available, but would also give a sense of future warfare (with the MAC gun and all).

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Are you telling me that a super mac gun which can put a round clean through a covenant capital ship is bad?

Lets see this crappy rifle do that.

  • 07.06.2006 12:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Iridorin
No offense Johan, but it appears that if you doubt or have any suggestions regarding Halo in any way on these boards, you get flamed.

Yeah, fanbois abound around here... "zOMG you don't liek this in teh Halo games? This is teh Bnet! We ALL love Halo!"

I guess if you have any idea's for improvement or addition of realism, don't post in the Halo 3 forum... eh...

  • 07.06.2006 12:45 AM PDT
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Narrow-minded Halo fanatics w/ no room for reason = large % of users on Bnet at 3am.

  • 07.06.2006 12:47 AM PDT
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Balence VS Realism

Its hard to please both. But this is my take on it. The UNSC would most likly use/make sniper riffles that were both a) reliable and b) acurate. The sniper riffle in the Halo universe is both those, and to date, mine has never jammed, and it doesnt matter how windy it is, it always shoots strate and true haha.

Sure they could have put a "better" more realistic riffle, say a futuristic 50 cal, but face it, you cant really run around with it, and to be honest, getting snipped from three miles away in MP would really blow. It would be cool to have something like this in the main part of the game, but then people would -blam!- about it not being in MP too.

Im no gun expert but thats my opinion. If they were to change anything about the SR I would only hope they made it more like the one in FC:I and give it some kick, make you actualy think your shooting something with some power.

  • 07.06.2006 12:55 AM PDT
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I'm all open to new ideas and improvements, its just that not many are nesassary, and i enjoy debating :)

But sure you have a point but dont forget limits of technology with the xbox, say you couldnt have a nuke launcher or something cause the xbox couldnt handle it, and guns with huge rounds and masive rates of fire, well you have to balance it out, grapgics, gameplay and weapons an all, which i believe bungie do a great job with.

So just look forward to halo 3 and input ideas of what type of weapons you'd like, give your ideas for furureistic weapons. And maybe we'll get to control something huge like a mac gun defending a planet cause cortana wasnt around. i know mc controlled weapons on first strike, man wouldnt that be cool.

  • 07.06.2006 1:12 AM PDT
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It's all coming together! bungie thinks weapons will get less advanced and less effective as time progresses.

Pistol- smaller, lighter, more ammo, more accurate, faster rate of fire, and more powerful than a battle rifle.

It's obvious Bungie is going for balance rather than realism, which is ironic considering how unbalanced their most recent embarassment is.

  • 07.06.2006 1:26 AM PDT
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yawn

  • 07.06.2006 1:29 AM PDT
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It is still one of the best games ever made

  • 07.06.2006 2:12 AM PDT
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Wow... look at ya'll argue. It all comes down to Halo is just a game! Sure we'll have better weapons by then. You think that 500 years from now we'll have a fully suited man called Master Cheif walking around saving us from the Covenant and Flood? I wouldn't think so... so why do you think it should have weapons that are so ahead of our time?

As someone has said about the mass production of these high tech weapons, yes we are ahead of Halo's weapon technology. I bet if I go right down the street to the base they're building here in Memphis, or even to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana... they won't have any "smart bullets" there. Why? Because it takes a while for a new technology to be mass produced.

Now before you try and say "Don't you think they'd be mass produced 500 yrs from now?" yes I do think they will. But again, Halo is a video game. It needs to be balanced, and they did just that. I mean seriously, if you could take out a tank from across the level with a single shot from your sniper loaded with "smart bullets", how even would that be? And who knows, that sniper could have smart bullets in it, but the tanks now have better armor.

The only thing I think they should do would be change the way the weapons look. Make them look a little more futuristic, but keep the mechanics of the game the same. As far as ammo goes, maybe be able to carry a bit more with certain weapons, but c'mon, you're still only one person. You can only carry so much ammo no matter if it's now or 500 yrs from now.

As someone else said, who knows, between now and 500 years from now something may happen to cause us to no longer further our weapon technology. World peace, space exploration, Earth being wiped out causing us to lose the technology to advance our knowledge in weaponry.

And in reply to the original post, yes, it is kinda ironic. I hope in the third Halo they do something to explain the gap.

  • 07.06.2006 2:15 AM PDT
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Wow, all you bunch of sissy crybaby fanboys.....please get this through your heads....

HALO IS NOT A REALISTIC GAME.

Sure it has some realistic value, but that is not the purpose of the game. The purpose is to be fun, balanced, and maybe have a decent story too. NOT TO TRY AND BE REAL.

  • 07.06.2006 2:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: JohanStrauss
Bungie made a big mistake in weapons design, opting for "fun factor" rather than "future factor". Weapons built in 2500 should at least be electromagnetic rail weapons, if not energy weapons... and should not use gunpowder or other archaic substances.

Reason that humans dont have plasma, electromagnetic, or energy is because when the covenent is supposed to be an advanced race greater than the humans...so would be stupid to put humans with the same or better technology then the cov. which is supposed to be greater.

  • 07.06.2006 2:27 AM PDT
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..at the end of the day, a bullet can still kill someone if you shoot them in the right place; regardless of where the bullet came from.

more bullets, lighter guns; are basically there to counter the lack of skill the wielder will have.

  • 07.06.2006 2:32 AM PDT
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My theory:

2000-2400: We futurize to a point of eternal glory and peace, then we kill eachother for some reason (as us humans naturally do D:) and rebuild slowly.

2500:We get most of the stuff back, and get more peaceful.

2552: Evil aliens come blow us up, we fight back.

Rinse, Reload, Repeat. :D

  • 07.06.2006 2:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Marathon Maniac
Wow, all you bunch of sissy crybaby fanboys.....please get this through your heads....

HALO IS NOT A REALISTIC GAME.

Sure it has some realistic value, but that is not the purpose of the game. The purpose is to be fun, balanced, and maybe have a decent story too. NOT TO TRY AND BE REAL.


Ha, I guess I could've summed up my paragraphs with what you said!

  • 07.06.2006 2:32 AM PDT

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