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Posted by: Prototype117
IDIOT! HAHAHA! Tell me then how countries with strict gun rules rarely have shooting?
ooh! oooh! I know this one!


Australia, the country that saw an increase in all crime and homicides after imposing heavier gun restrictions?
myth/propaganda

try again buddy
oh, and here's a source, too

nra shills pls go

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Posted by: Prototype117
Posted by: conor mc ireland]Would you rather be in a room full of people with a criminal armed with a gun, or a knife? I'd take the knife.

And where do you think a bulk of these illegally obtained guns come from? They come from gun owners who obtained them legally. Banning the sales of guns would certainly reduce the chances of criminals getting them from the first place. While it doesn't solve the problem, it reduces the chances of you being shot in the future.

I don't see the big fuss to why people are opposed of this idea.

They oppose the idea because they love feeling like a badass walking around with there firearm thinking that there well off.

If this is a serious post, then you're an absolute -blam!- moron.

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Posted by: Night Watchman
And you forget that more shootings does not equate to more deaths or violence.
Wtf did I just read? Not even bothering to continue this discussion now. Thanks for summing up American logic in one sentence.


That went way over your head. He meant that increased shootings does not increase homicide rates overall, only gun involved ones. And there's no evidence that more guns will cause more violence, Chicago and D.C. saw the opposite happen after they struck down harsh gun regulations. Did you even read any of this guys' posts?

I'd hate to have to sum up your logic, it's depressing just thinking about it.
I got what he meant, it's just retardedly ignorant. It's much easier to shoot someone than stab them to death, or choke them, or beat them with a baseball bat. If you think ease of killing is not a factor in many homicides then you have a pitiful understanding of the human psyche.

Also, I'm sick of gun advocates constantly spouting that there's 'lack of evidence'. Are you able to use common sense? I can totally see all these mass shootings having occurred without access to a firearm. Even if another means was used, the death count would almost certainly be significantly less.

This debate is so lopsided it's ridiculous. Stop trying to protect your misplaced sense of liberty and just accept that your gun policies are retarded, that's why America is such the crime-dense s.hithole it is.


Just because it makes killing more efficient does not mean people are going to kill more people because of it, and a gun in the hands of a good citizen can be a very good thing and protect and save lives. The point is fearing guns is irrational and they are NOT the problem. We all know criminals are less likely to even attempt a robbery if they're not sure whether or not their victim is going to be armed and able to defend themselves.

The kids at columbine made 99 pipe bombs that would have killed hundreds if not thousands of people if they had gone off. A man in China just stabbed 22 kids at a school... Do you notice all these mass shootings happen in GUN-FREE zones?! You ask me to appeal to common sense, I have. I ask for you to return the favor.

Actually no, because every time there is more gun regulation crime gets worse, even gun crime. I just don't think you want to admit you might be wrong. If you legalized drugs that would put a massive dent in our crime.

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Posted by: conor mc ireland
Would you rather be in a room full of people with a criminal armed with a gun, or a knife? I'd take the knife.

And where do you think a bulk of these illegally obtained guns come from? They come from gun owners who obtained them legally. Banning the sales of guns would certainly reduce the chances of criminals getting them from the first place. While it doesn't solve the problem, it reduces the chances of you being shot in the future.

I don't see the big fuss to why people are opposed of this idea.
Plus, in many instances of school shootings, guns are obtained through legal means.

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Posted by: Night Watchman
I think we should ban guns so the criminals will obey that law and surrender their firearms! Why can't we just ban guns like drugs so they won't be around anymore?

Pretty much.

Banning guns will obviously make getting a firearm much harder for the criminal. Progressively the shooting will stop. Stop being biased.


IDIOT! HAHAHA! Criminals don't obtain guns legally. And if the shootings did stop we'd just see huge increases in stabbings.
Would you rather be in a room full of people with a criminal armed with a gun, or a knife? I'd take the knife.

And where do you think a bulk of these illegally obtained guns come from? They come from gun owners who obtained them legally. Banning the sales of guns would certainly reduce the chances of criminals getting them from the first place. While it doesn't solve the problem, it reduces the chances of you being shot in the future.

I don't see the big fuss to why people are opposed of this idea.


I'd rather have a gun so I can ensure my safety. A gun gives everyone a voice, imagine an old woman trying to fend off a knife attack by hand. Now place a gun in her hands.

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Posted by: random no337
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Posted by: Prototype117
IDIOT! HAHAHA! Tell me then how countries with strict gun rules rarely have shooting?
ooh! oooh! I know this one!


Australia, the country that saw an increase in all crime and homicides after imposing heavier gun restrictions?
myth/propaganda

try again buddy
oh, and here's a source, too

nra shills pls go


Huh?

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Posted by: random no337
Posted by: Prototype117
IDIOT! HAHAHA! Tell me then how countries with strict gun rules rarely have shooting?
ooh! oooh! I know this one!

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Boy, I sure am glad for the right to bear arms. Makes me feel safe.

/sarcasm


Sure made this woman safe. If one armed citizen had been there this could have been stopped, if there weren't so many gun regulations more people would carry in public and be able to act against criminals.
Or you know, we could get better policemen

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Posted by: Omnicent
Boy, I sure am glad for the right to bear arms. Makes me feel safe.

/sarcasm


Sure made this woman safe. If one armed citizen had been there this could have been stopped, if there weren't so many gun regulations more people would carry in public and be able to act against criminals.
Or you know, we could get better policemen


Like that is going to happen, HAHAHA! And it wouldn't have mattered if it was the best officer on the planet, they weren't going to show up in time and often don't, which is why you better be ready to secure yourself. We should ALL be the police, the real police is little more than glorified investigators and I would rather have a private investigator investigating in that case.

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Here we go again..

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Posted by: Night Watchman
I think we should ban guns so the criminals will obey that law and surrender their firearms! Why can't we just ban guns like drugs so they won't be around anymore?[/quote]
Pretty much.

Banning guns will obviously make getting a firearm much harder for the criminal. Progressively the shooting will stop. Stop being biased.


IDIOT! HAHAHA! Criminals don't obtain guns legally. And if the shootings did stop we'd just see huge increases in stabbings.
Would you rather be in a room full of people with a criminal armed with a gun, or a knife? I'd take the knife.

And where do you think a bulk of these illegally obtained guns come from? They come from gun owners who obtained them legally. Banning the sales of guns would certainly reduce the chances of criminals getting them from the first place. While it doesn't solve the problem, it reduces the chances of you being shot in the future.

I don't see the big fuss to why people are opposed of this idea.


I'd rather have a gun so I can ensure my safety. A gun gives everyone a voice, imagine an old woman trying to fend off a knife attack by hand. Now place a gun in her hands.
Wait, are you saying that everyone in America should own a gun?

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Posted by: You Know Already
Just because it makes killing more efficient does not mean people are going to kill more people because of it
Use some logic please

The point is fearing guns is irrational and they are NOT the problem.Use some logic please

We all know criminals are less likely to even attempt a robbery if they're not sure whether or not their victim is going to be armed and able to defend themselves.I don't think any of the killers involved in recent mass shootings ever planned on getting out alive, hence why they often shoot themselves after the massacre. They aren't going to care if someone could be armed because it's a suicide mission right from the start.

The kids at columbine made 99 pipe bombs that would have killed hundreds if not thousands of people if they had gone off. A man in China just stabbed 22 kids at a school... Do you notice all these mass shootings happen in GUN-FREE zones?! You ask me to appeal to common sense, I have. I ask for you to return the favor.Did you seriously just use TWO examples and act like this suddenly proves your case? And a gun is easier to get than a pipe bomb, derp. And that Chinese man would have likely killed many more if he had a gun.


Actually no, because every time there is more gun regulation crime gets worse, even gun crime. I just don't think you want to admit you might be wrong. If you legalized drugs that would put a massive dent in our crime.Crime gets worse because society is getting progressively worse. There were less guns 30 years ago and there was also less crime, I guess that proves I'm right and less guns = less crime? Stop using contrived evidence to try and support your warped opinions. Society is getting s.hittier because of society, and guns are a factor in this.

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Posted by: conor mc ireland
Wait, are you saying that everyone in America should own a gun?


Absolutely not, only if you're comfortable, safe and responsible with them.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 5:12 AM PST]

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Posted by: Frasier Crane

Posted by: You Know Already
Just because it makes killing more efficient does not mean people are going to kill more people because of it
Use some logic please

The point is fearing guns is irrational and they are NOT the problem.Use some logic please

We all know criminals are less likely to even attempt a robbery if they're not sure whether or not their victim is going to be armed and able to defend themselves.I don't think any of the killers involved in recent mass shootings ever planned on getting out alive, hence why they often shoot themselves after the massacre. They aren't going to care if someone could be armed because it's a suicide mission right from the start.

The kids at columbine made 99 pipe bombs that would have killed hundreds if not thousands of people if they had gone off. A man in China just stabbed 22 kids at a school... Do you notice all these mass shootings happen in GUN-FREE zones?! You ask me to appeal to common sense, I have. I ask for you to return the favor.Did you seriously just use TWO examples and act like this suddenly proves your case? And a gun is easier to get than a pipe bomb, derp. And that Chinese man would have likely killed many more if he had a gun.


Actually no, because every time there is more gun regulation crime gets worse, even gun crime. I just don't think you want to admit you might be wrong. If you legalized drugs that would put a massive dent in our crime.Crime gets worse because society is getting progressively worse. There were less guns 30 years ago and there was also less crime, I guess that proves I'm right and less guns = less crime? Stop using contrived evidence to try and support your warped opinions. Society is getting s.hittier because of society, and guns are a factor in this.


Making killing easier does not mean more people are going to attempt killing. Especially when their "victim" can actually do something.

It's as idiotic as blaming McDonald's for obesity.

And these mass shootings are extremely rare and cause very little deaths. Guns are used to prevent four times as many crimes as they cause.

I see you ignored my point that these happened in gun-free zones.

The same can be said to you, you have no evidence to support your claims and I actually do have evidence to support mine.

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Posted by: Omnicent
Boy, I sure am glad for the right to bear arms. Makes me feel safe.

/sarcasm


Sure made this woman safe. If one armed citizen had been there this could have been stopped, if there weren't so many gun regulations more people would carry in public and be able to act against criminals.
Or you know, we could get better policemen


Like that is going to happen, HAHAHA! And it wouldn't have mattered if it was the best officer on the planet, they weren't going to show up in time and often don't.
We could just build more police buildings across cities to make showing up fast and easy, and ' they weren't going to show up in time and ' I didn't know you know exactly how far away her house is from the nearest on duty police officer that night and how fast it would have taken him! Gee wiz why didn't you say you were a magician! "often don't." Really? Show me the statistic that shows all the times police officers don't arrive on the scene of the crime before it happens, then also show me the statistic for shootings. kthx

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Posted by: omg a bannana

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Posted by: omg a bannana

Posted by: Night Watchman

Posted by: Omnicent
Boy, I sure am glad for the right to bear arms. Makes me feel safe.

/sarcasm


Sure made this woman safe. If one armed citizen had been there this could have been stopped, if there weren't so many gun regulations more people would carry in public and be able to act against criminals.
Or you know, we could get better policemen


Like that is going to happen, HAHAHA! And it wouldn't have mattered if it was the best officer on the planet, they weren't going to show up in time and often don't.
Please don't be retarded, we could just build more police buildings across cities to make showing up fast and easy, and ' they weren't going to show up in time and ' I didn't know you know exactly how far away her house is from the nearest on duty police officer that night and how fast it would have taken him! Gee wiz why didn't you say you were a magician! "often don't." Really? Show me the statistic that shows all the times police officers don't arrive on the scene of the crime before it happens, then also show me the statistic for shootings. kthx


You're an idiot. Do you know how much money that would cost? And police aren't always a good solution, they can just as easily make a situation a lot worse.

Did you watch the video? The officer DIDN'T show up in time or she wouldn't have had to kill the person. Now you're just humiliating yourself. Please read your responses before posting them.

Uhh, you realize response times can be over 30 minutes, right? Do you know what a person could do to you in 15 seconds?

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Posted by: You Know Already
Making killing easier does not mean more people are going to attempt killing.
YES, IT F.UCKING DOES. How can you be this narrow minded? I'm honestly baffled.

It's as idiotic as blaming McDonald's for obesity.Do you see everything in such black and white terms? McDonalds cannot be completely blamed for obesity but it certainly increases the ease of getting obese, just as guns increase the ease of killing. If there was no McDonalds, obesity rates would be much less. You just lost by your own argument.

And these mass shootings are extremely rare and cause very little deaths. Sixteen mass shootings in the US in 2012 . Not exactly rare.

Guns are used to prevent four times as many crimes as they cause. And your reputable, current study proving this is where...?

I see you ignored my point that these happened in gun-free zones.It's irrelevant because they are singular cases. If you are can provide evidence that mass murders are higher in China, by all means, but I doubt you can.

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Here we go again..

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Posted by: Night Watchman

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i blame gunz and vidya gamez


I think we should ban guns so the criminals will obey that law and surrender their firearms! Why can't we just ban guns like drugs so they won't be around anymore?

Russell Brand put this ABSOLUTELY perfectly when I saw him live. I'll quote as much as I can:

"Drugs shouldn't be a criminal problem, it should be a health problem. People who do drugs know they're breaking the law, banning it doesn't stop them. It's not like someone's doing drugs and then when someone else walks into the room and says 'Hey man, you know that's illegal right?' they'll just give it up and go, 'Oh what! -blam!-! Are you -blam!- kidding me man? Oh that's cool, okay, geez, should've told me sooner! I'll just throw this away.'

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You're an idiot. Do you know how much money that would cost? And police aren't always a good solution, they can just as easily make a situation a lot worse.

Oh oh I got this one! You mean money like the trillion we spend on military in a year. Just as easily make a situation worse? What does that even mean? How could that possibly happen and I didn't know we're arguing with hypothetical situations now yay!
Did you watch the video? The officer DIDN'T show up in time or she wouldn't have had to kill the person. Now you're just humiliating yourself. Please read your responses before posting them. No where in the video did it say a police officer didn't make it there in time, the irony of this entire post.

Uhh, you realize response times can be over 30 minutes, right? Do you know what a person could do to you in 15 seconds?
15 seconds? where are you pulling this from? How long it take for someone to get mugged in New York? Because I'm pretty sure it takes more than 15 seconds to break into a home. And then they couldn't even do that much if they didn't have a gun. Again this goes back to having more police stations/officers then they could incorporate how the Firemen handle fires to be there even faster.

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Posted by: You Know Already
Making killing easier does not mean more people are going to attempt killing.
YES, IT F.UCKING DOES. How can you be this narrow minded? I'm honestly baffled.

It's as idiotic as blaming McDonald's for obesity.Do you see everything in such black and white terms? McDonalds cannot be completely blamed for obesity but it certainly increases the ease of getting obese, just as guns increase the ease of killing. If there was no McDonalds, obesity rates would be much less. You just lost by your own argument.

And these mass shootings are extremely rare and cause very little deaths. Sixteen mass shootings in the US in 2012 . Not exactly rare.

Guns are used to prevent four times as many crimes as they cause. And your reputable, current study proving this is where...?

I see you ignored my point that these happened in gun-free zones.It's irrelevant because they are singular cases. If you are can provide evidence that mass murders are higher in China, by all means, but I doubt you can.


No, it doesn't. I have already proven to you how it can reduce all crime and murder rates. Please, prove your side now.

HAHAHA! No, you just made a completely idiotic argument. The fact is people are fat because they have psychological issues, McDonald's did not make them that way. You show how asinine your views are. You're trying to say McDonald's is RESPONSIBLE for obesity, in a sense, and that makes you naive.

When compared to the fact you're far more likely to be killed from falling in the shower? Yes, it's very rare.

Saw it on television, having trouble finding it online.

I bet you won't see a mass shooting at an NRA convention.

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Posted by: You Know Already
You're an idiot. Do you know how much money that would cost? And police aren't always a good solution, they can just as easily make a situation a lot worse.

Oh oh I got this one! You mean money like the trillion we spend on military in a year. Just as easily make a situation worse? What does that even mean? How could that possibly happen and I didn't know we're arguing with hypothetical situations now yay!
Did you watch the video? The officer DIDN'T show up in time or she wouldn't have had to kill the person. Now you're just humiliating yourself. Please read your responses before posting them. No where in the video did it say a police officer didn't make it there in time, the irony of this entire post.

Uhh, you realize response times can be over 30 minutes, right? Do you know what a person could do to you in 15 seconds?
15 seconds? where are you pulling this from? How long it take for someone to get mugged in New York? Because I'm pretty sure it takes more than 15 seconds to break into a home. And then they couldn't even do that much if they didn't have a gun. Again this goes back to having more police stations/officers then they could incorporate how the Firemen handle fires to be there even faster.


I am disgusted with our spending, I fail to see how that is relevant to my point, however. And sometimes police make things a lot worse.

Are you really this stupid? If the officer had made it in time why would the woman need to shoot him? Are you really this naive? I honestly don't get how you're not understanding this.

Experience. There are 11 soft pressure points on the human body that can paralyze a human from anywhere between 15 seconds to a minute and a half. If I had 15 seconds of you lying on the ground I could do some major damage and kill you easily and be long gone before the police ever even get a call.

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Posted by: You Know Already
No, it doesn't. I have already proven to you how it can reduce all crime and murder rates. Please, prove your side now.

HAHAHA! No, you just made a completely idiotic argument. The fact is people are fat because they have psychological issues, McDonald's did not make them that way. You show how asinine your views are. You're trying to say McDonald's is RESPONSIBLE for obesity, in a sense, and that makes you naive.

When compared to the fact you're far more likely to be killed from falling in the shower? Yes, it's very rare.

Saw it on television, having trouble finding it online.

I bet you won't see a mass shooting at an NRA convention.

I think the one real flaw in the whole "but how can we defend ourselves if we have no guns" is that mass shootings don't take place in houses. They take place in public. And the only people who carry weapons into the public are those planning to use them, really. You don't see every citizen in the mall turn on the murderer instantly with AK-47s. Children don't wip out rocket launchers from under the desk as soon as someone comes in and starts shooting.

I did exaggerate with RPGs and AKs of course, but the point stands. I live in Australia and the last time we had a mass shooting was... hmm...

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I'm listeni- Oh wait I don't give a -blam!- what you have to say.

You haven't proven anything. You've repeated your adolescent grade views over and over but provided nothing to back up any of them.


'Psychological issues' aside, if fattening foods were in short supply there would be significantly less obese people. Again your narrow mindedness is showing; I never blamed McDonalds or any fast food for people's lack of willpower, but they are definitely part of the problem or people wouldn't be obese.

Your shower comment is so dumb I'm not going to bother addressing it, apart from this sentence saying how completely contrived and moronic it is.

If you want to be taken seriously, don't grasp at straws for arguments. We're done here.

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No, it doesn't. I have already proven to you how it can reduce all crime and murder rates. Please, prove your side now.

HAHAHA! No, you just made a completely idiotic argument. The fact is people are fat because they have psychological issues, McDonald's did not make them that way. You show how asinine your views are. You're trying to say McDonald's is RESPONSIBLE for obesity, in a sense, and that makes you naive.

When compared to the fact you're far more likely to be killed from falling in the shower? Yes, it's very rare.

Saw it on television, having trouble finding it online.

I bet you won't see a mass shooting at an NRA convention.

I think the one real flaw in the whole "but how can we defend ourselves if we have no guns" is that mass shootings don't take place in houses. They take place in public. And the only people who carry weapons into the public are those planning to use them, really. You don't see every citizen in the mall turn on the murderer instantly with AK-47s. Children don't wip out rocket launchers from under the desk as soon as someone comes in and starts shooting.

I did exaggerate with RPGs and AKs of course, but the point stands. I live in Australia and the last time we had a mass shooting was... hmm...


I carry a pistol on me often and never intend to use it unless I have to do so to protect the liberty of myself or another. Once Australia banned guns though it became a lot more crime-ridden... Because the responsible citizens can not defend themselves anymore and it gives criminals peace of mind knowing they're less likely to encounter serious resistance.

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