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Subject: Two US firefighters shot dead


Posted by: SRQ baller24
Who the hell shoots a firefighter? Like what the hell.

  • 12.24.2012 11:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sergeant omega

I would love to give all my guns to the powers that be, but unfortunately, I lost all of them and their ammunition in a horrific boating accident.


What a coincidence, that's exactly what happened to me!

  • 12.24.2012 11:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Night Watchman
They couldn't have possibly killed with anything other than a gun! BAN GUNS! It will work just as well as banning drugs! Giving it to the black market is a FANTASTIC idea with our border problems and terrible drug laws.

No you idiots. The gun is not the problem, this disgusting person's mind is. Of course there are some copycats after a mass shooting, this shouldn't surprise anyone. Gun regulations have only hurt America.

Exactly. Have you seen these countries with tight gun regulation? Have you? I mean, they don't even go on shooting rampages! What's wrong with them?


Some don't, but they see a spike in all other crime. People that want to kill are disturbed and will only be less prone to kill if they know we have a chance to defend ourselves. The gun gave everyone a voice. Imagine an elderly woman fending off a knife attack with her hands, now put a gun in her hands and try it again.

  • 12.24.2012 11:45 AM PDT
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Why do people think there have been so few invasion attempts in America? Because the citizens are able to combat an enemy!

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

-Thomas Jefferson

  • 12.24.2012 11:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Night Watchman
Some don't, but they see a spike in all other crime. People that want to kill are disturbed and will only be less prone to kill if they know we have a chance to defend ourselves. The gun gave everyone a voice. Imagine an elderly woman fending off a knife attack with her hands, now put a gun in her hands and try it again.

It's even worse than you think. Crime rates are at all time lows in some of these places. Heck they don't even need guns. How is that American? Arming yourself to the teeth in case the government is watching you through your television is the real American way.

  • 12.24.2012 11:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: Night Watchman

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Posted by: Lethal Spaniard
I laugh at the people who are US citizens and want strict gun control policies/banning of firearms. It's not like our country was founded because of strict placements on the people like the outlawing of arms or anything, is it?

The second amendment was placed to make sure that the people can overthrow a tyranny if one ever overtakes this country, and to make sure the common peoples are able to protect themselves in the situation of attack, whether by another nation's army or their neighbor. Also, the use of firearms makes hunting a much more humane sport. Without semi-automatic firearms, there is no chance that the people will ever stand a chance against foreign invaders or a tyrant government's military. Also, without semi-automatic "assault" weapons, we are limited when it comes to varmint hunting, and makes hunting large varmints such as wild hogs/Javelina much more dangerous.


the second amendment is no longer relevant.

i say this because the military of the United states is so much more powerful then anything a citizen can get that if you needed to you would not be able to defend against it, since i do not think your handgun can stop a tank for example.


Even I give the disturbed people in the military more credit than that. Do you really think they'd kill their own citizens? Especially when at that point the government would no doubt be unable to pay them.


Why would the government not be able to pay them any more?

at the person that mentioned the american revolution, that is hardly a fair comparison as they were limited to guns and ships which the Revolution could get access to as well..Unless civilians suddenly get access to tanks and jets, it would hardly matter how many guns they have as a jet or tank would be able to counter it extremely well if the armed forces where following orders.

  • 12.24.2012 11:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vgnut117

Posted by: Night Watchman
Some don't, but they see a spike in all other crime. People that want to kill are disturbed and will only be less prone to kill if they know we have a chance to defend ourselves. The gun gave everyone a voice. Imagine an elderly woman fending off a knife attack with her hands, now put a gun in her hands and try it again.

It's even worse than you think. Crime rates are at all time lows in some of these places. Heck they don't even need guns. How is that American? Arming yourself to the teeth in case the government is watching you through your television is the real American way.


I'd like to see data supporting that. I guess you prefer government being able to just steamroll you with no chance to stop them.

You have some supporters!

[Edited on 12.24.2012 11:55 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 11:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Ai

Posted by: Night Watchman

Posted by: The Ai

Posted by: Lethal Spaniard
I laugh at the people who are US citizens and want strict gun control policies/banning of firearms. It's not like our country was founded because of strict placements on the people like the outlawing of arms or anything, is it?

The second amendment was placed to make sure that the people can overthrow a tyranny if one ever overtakes this country, and to make sure the common peoples are able to protect themselves in the situation of attack, whether by another nation's army or their neighbor. Also, the use of firearms makes hunting a much more humane sport. Without semi-automatic firearms, there is no chance that the people will ever stand a chance against foreign invaders or a tyrant government's military. Also, without semi-automatic "assault" weapons, we are limited when it comes to varmint hunting, and makes hunting large varmints such as wild hogs/Javelina much more dangerous.


the second amendment is no longer relevant.

i say this because the military of the United states is so much more powerful then anything a citizen can get that if you needed to you would not be able to defend against it, since i do not think your handgun can stop a tank for example.


Even I give the disturbed people in the military more credit than that. Do you really think they'd kill their own citizens? Especially when at that point the government would no doubt be unable to pay them.


Why would the government not be able to pay them any more?

at the person that mentioned the american revolution, that is hardly a fair comparison as they were limited to guns and ships which the Revolution could get access to as well..Unless civilians suddenly get access to tanks and jets, it would hardly matter how many guns they have as a jet or tank would be able to counter it extremely well if the armed forces where following orders.


The collapse of the monetary system would most likely be the reason they would need to send the military after us, at that point the dollar is worthless.

  • 12.24.2012 11:54 AM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


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Posted by: carby21
Why do Americans want weapons so badly? I see people here insulting people and making threats all because they want guns. Gun are not meant to be handed out to the population like candy. They are meant to be in the authorities and the military. That is all. Do you see these mass shootings happening this much anywhere else in the world? No. Guns don't really save anyone that often. So I conclude that until the Americans let go of their violent ways then guns aren't going anywhere.


A gun has saved my life twice. Guns kill noone. People with mental problems kill people.


You'll never hear about the good guns do, nor the responsible gun owners. It's not in the sensationalist media's agenda. The Clackamas mall shooting was stopped by a gun owner who did not fire a shot. He did not fire because there were people behind the shooter (in other words, he reacted like a responsible gun owner), but the presence of an armed opponent alone was enough to curtail the perpetrator's assault. Nobody talks about that though. This is far from the only case of that kind of thing happening, but again, you'll never hear about them.

I do not agree with a gun ban. I do however, agree with the need for extensive psychological testing in order to own any firearm, along with mandatory firearm safety education courses. I should not be able to go to a gun show and walk out with unregistered assault weapons through a simple cash transaction. The last show I was at, there were people buying AR-15s and AK-47s who were clearly not fit to do so. I won't elaborate on my reasoning for saying so, but it was obvious that they should not be in possession of any firearm, let alone an assault weapon.

Also, as a firefighter/EMT, anybody who thinks we should carry firearms of our own (I know the OP was joking) is wrong. If a scene is potentially dangerous (fire, drug overdose, assault, cardiac arrest, bad neighborhood, etc.), police are dispatched with us. Granted, every community-based emergency system operates slightly differently, but dispatching police is pretty standard practice across the board. I am not sure why police were not already on the scene (entirely possible all units were tied up elsewhere), but usually there is some law enforcement entity on-scene around the time we arrive. If there is a dangerous situation, they mitigate it before we go in, be it for fire or EMS. We sometimes call police "blue canaries" because they ensure scene safety for us at the risk of their lives. Allowing us to carry weapons would change our overall image. We would no longer be the guys who are there to take care of grandma or save your house. The presence of firearms on a stranger in one's home makes people nervous. People would naturally be more standoffish with us and be more reluctant to allow us to adequately do our jobs. We are not enforcers and are not currently viewed as such which is partially why we don't get shot as much.

Now, we still get shot at a fair bit, so this kind of thing is not new. People call 911 to set traps for first responders more times than you'll ever hear about. This is why most of us have bulletproof vests on the trucks. This does not mean that we need to carry weapons. Now, some communities have provisions where, if we absolutely need to, fire/EMS personnel can use firearms from the police (if an officer goes down next to us, we're given a gun by police when there's no other way out of the situation for us, etc.) for self-defense. I think that this is sufficient protection. I do not think that any of us should be allowed to carry weapons. Some of us are simply not capable of handling that kind of responsibility. We lack firearm use and safety training and I guarantee due regard would become an issue with some members of the fire service, possibly more so than in law enforcement. It is simply not a good idea to allow us to carry on our apparatus.

Absolutely sick individuals out there. I have no idea why this violence is increasing. Thoughts go out to the families and may my brothers rest in peace.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 12:01 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 11:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Night Watchman

Posted by: The Ai

Posted by: Night Watchman

Posted by: The Ai

Posted by: Lethal Spaniard
I laugh at the people who are US citizens and want strict gun control policies/banning of firearms. It's not like our country was founded because of strict placements on the people like the outlawing of arms or anything, is it?

The second amendment was placed to make sure that the people can overthrow a tyranny if one ever overtakes this country, and to make sure the common peoples are able to protect themselves in the situation of attack, whether by another nation's army or their neighbor. Also, the use of firearms makes hunting a much more humane sport. Without semi-automatic firearms, there is no chance that the people will ever stand a chance against foreign invaders or a tyrant government's military. Also, without semi-automatic "assault" weapons, we are limited when it comes to varmint hunting, and makes hunting large varmints such as wild hogs/Javelina much more dangerous.


the second amendment is no longer relevant.

i say this because the military of the United states is so much more powerful then anything a citizen can get that if you needed to you would not be able to defend against it, since i do not think your handgun can stop a tank for example.


Even I give the disturbed people in the military more credit than that. Do you really think they'd kill their own citizens? Especially when at that point the government would no doubt be unable to pay them.


Why would the government not be able to pay them any more?

at the person that mentioned the american revolution, that is hardly a fair comparison as they were limited to guns and ships which the Revolution could get access to as well..Unless civilians suddenly get access to tanks and jets, it would hardly matter how many guns they have as a jet or tank would be able to counter it extremely well if the armed forces where following orders.


The collapse of the monetary system would most likely be the reason they would need to send the military after us, at that point the dollar is worthless.



fair enough i see what you mean.

  • 12.24.2012 12:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
The presence of firearms on a stranger in one's home makes people nervous.


This doesn't have to be true, and only is when people irrationally fear guns. When I lived in Nevada I open-carried everywhere and no one ever showed signs of fear. I often times even had kids come up to me and happily ask if my pistol was real. My father taught me how to be safe and responsible with guns at an early age so I understand that fearing guns is irrational and would only fear a person with a gun if they have proven themselves to be irresponsible.

  • 12.24.2012 12:03 PM PDT