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Subject: Flood, Why Do You Think the Shooting in Connecticut Happened?
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DISCLAIMER: I left this thread a while as I knew it was going to be a flame war no matter how hard I tried to have a mature discussion... Which as many of you may know is almost impossible on The Flood.

Personally I comes down to five things in my opinion:

1. US Private Gun Laws.
I know I'm about to start a flame war with this one but I personally think it's insanity that you can buy a gun from a private dealer without serious background checks.

2.Access.
This one may be wrong but I almost sure that SERIOUS background checks are not carried out on other people who would have access to the gun. Eg:Family Members. This is also how Adam Lanza got access to a gun as it was his mothers.

3.Media.
I know this has been covered a million times but it is quite clear the names of serial killers are made very famous by the media as an example you could point to Charles Manson there is 4 movies about him none of them would have came in to existence if the report had been 'serial killings carried out by unnamed man'. It's the fact that the news know that the most memorable part of the story is the killers identity and thats a sad fact.

4.Mental Health.
America don't have the greatest mental health system which has been well documented in the wake of this horrible event and this is not helped by the fact that you can easily get a gun from a private dealer without serious background checks.

5.Hunting.
This is my last point which isn't so major. I have a friend who lived in America for 6 years he was a keen hunter he said the guns that were licensed for 'hunting' were ridiculous to quote him 'You don't need a fully automatic weapon to hunt'.

Flood forget about your opinions on guns and just state your reasons.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:20 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:19 AM PDT

So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?

  • 12.24.2012 9:20 AM PDT

Because everyone has guns. It's as simple as that, the solution however requires effort of everyone's part so it just won't happen.

  • 12.24.2012 9:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elfionnio11
3.Media.
I know this has been covered a million times but it is quite clear the names of serial killers are made very famous by the media as an example you could point to Charles Manson there is 4 movies about him none of them would have came in to existence if the report had been 'serial killings carried out by unnamed man'. It's the fact that the news know that the most memorable part of the story is the killers identity and that's a sad fact.

So much this.

  • 12.24.2012 9:21 AM PDT

But OP, didn't you know? Guns are for home defence!

  • 12.24.2012 9:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: DatDudeBV
So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?

Not if you can't 100% guarantee that person will never get their hands on the gun.

  • 12.24.2012 9:22 AM PDT

Posted by: DatDudeBV
So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?


If you had a retarded kid, I don't think having a gun in the house would be a good idea.

  • 12.24.2012 9:22 AM PDT

-bow chicka brown cow-

Im in support of tighter gun laws, but I want the ability to own a fully automatic gun if I so choose.

  • 12.24.2012 9:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: DatDudeBV
So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?

I didn't mean that but having a gun round someone who is mentally unstable isn't really the smartest think to do.

  • 12.24.2012 9:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: crumpster212
Im in support of tighter gun laws, but I want the ability to own a fully automatic gun if I so choose.

I somewhat agree with you but I think very very serious checks should be imposed.

  • 12.24.2012 9:23 AM PDT

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Video games, of course!

  • 12.24.2012 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: DatDudeBV
So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?

There's a difference between a retarded child/family member and one who hears voices to shoot all the phonies.

I'ld argue that the impact media has had is lessened just by the sheer number of mass shootings that have occurred. I remember Charles Mansion. I don't remember the names of the kids that shot up Columbine.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:25 AM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:23 AM PDT

-bow chicka brown cow-


Posted by: Elfionnio11

Posted by: crumpster212
Im in support of tighter gun laws, but I want the ability to own a fully automatic gun if I so choose.

I somewhat agree with you but I think very very serious checks should be imposed.
They are already there. You need to have a literally saint-like record in order to get a class 3 permit.

  • 12.24.2012 9:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: DatDudeBV
So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?

There's a difference between a retarded child/family member and one who hears voices to shoot all the phonies.

I'ld argue that the impact media has had is lessened just by the sheer number of mass shootings that have occurred. I remember Charles Mansion. I don't remember the names of the kids that shot up Columbine.

That is basically the point the killers get fame and that leads to copycat killings.

  • 12.24.2012 9:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: crumpster212

Posted by: Elfionnio11

Posted by: crumpster212
Im in support of tighter gun laws, but I want the ability to own a fully automatic gun if I so choose.

I somewhat agree with you but I think very very serious checks should be imposed.
They are already there. You need to have a literally saint-like record in order to get a class 3 permit.

In private dealerships as well as it's a lot easier to get a gun from them.

  • 12.24.2012 9:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Elfionnio11
That is basically the point the killers get fame and that leads to copycat killings.

Can't enjoy the fame if you are dead.

Of the last two mass shootings, both have been attributed to mental illness, I don't think that fame was their primary motivation.

  • 12.24.2012 9:27 AM PDT


Posted by: DatDudeBV
So if a have a retarded child or family member I shouldn't be allowed to have a gun?
No, you can have a gun. You should be held fully accountable for anything your retarded family member does with the gun

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Posted by: Elfionnio11
That is basically the point the killers get fame and that leads to copycat killings.

Can't enjoy the fame if you are dead.

Of the last two mass shootings, both have been attributed to mental illness, I don't think that fame was their primary motivation.

I know but to point to an example the murder of John Lennon by David Chapman was in his own words 'to gain his fame'.

  • 12.24.2012 9:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Eternal Moon
I don't care enough to form a theory.

Your a horrible troll.

  • 12.24.2012 9:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Elfionnio11
I know but to point to an example the murder of John Lennon by David Chapman was in his own words 'to gain his fame'.

I won't rule it out as a motivator for some people. But emphasis on the some.

Hell, I didn't even know who shot John Lennon until you told me.

  • 12.24.2012 9:32 AM PDT

Fellow Floodian:
Posted by: Oh This Dude
I had a very similar thing, only I threw a 14 story building out of a pool and hit a kid on a paper aeroplane.


The Flood is just this awesome :D

3 and 4 are the only valid reasons why the shooting happened. The killer used a stolen gun, it wouldn't have mattered if pistols required a huge check and other types of weapons weren't allowed, the shooter would've still gone on the shooting with a stolen pistol.

  • 12.24.2012 9:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: shadowknight566
3 and 4 are the only valid reasons why the shooting happened. The killer used a stolen gun, it wouldn't have mattered if pistols required a huge check and other types of weapons weren't allowed, the shooter would've still gone on the shooting with a stolen pistol.

I knew he was trained to use a gun by his mother and I though I read somewhere is main weapon was there home rifle so I made the assumption.

  • 12.24.2012 9:43 AM PDT

It's because the guy was unstable and knew that the media would over-report the shooting, so he decided to "Go out with a bang." It's his fault for obvious reasons and the medias fault for sensationalizing these stories.

  • 12.24.2012 9:44 AM PDT

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