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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Posted by: Recon Number 54
I am of the opinion that respect is earned, not bestowed.

Common courtesy should be extended to all and maintained for as long as possible, though it is possible that even courtesy can be abused and lost.

But respect? I place a high value on those who I respect. If I were to offer/give it to everyone simply because they have a pulse, that would devalue the respect that I have for those who have clearly earned it.
Hmmm. I think we're coming at this from different directions.

My mother is a practicing Muslim and chooses to wear the hijab when she's out and about her daily business. Most of the time, this isn't a problem. But sometimes, she gets very vile things yelled at her because of this visual representation of her faith.

Now, do you have to convert to Islam to make my mother happy? Of course not. But doesn't she deserve that baseline level of respect wherein people don't yell racial slurs at her because she feels more comfortable in public when her hair is covered?

That's what I mean about respect - treating people with decency and humanity out of a recognition of the things about them that they can't change, or that are profoundly important to them but otherwise harmless to others.

To me, not harassing your mother is simply a matter of courtesy, not respect. I don't know your mother, and so I am not inclined (nor particularly disinclined) to consider her worthy of my respect. I cannot respect strangers, I don't know enough about them to warrant them having my respect.

Courtesy? Especially if it is mutual? I can easily and gladly extend that to anyone/everyone.

But I place a higher value on my respect to simply extend it to everyone else in the world simply because they exist. I have seen far too many people (strangers all) who demonstrate their ability to not deserve my respect, that I am unwilling to offer it to all.

  • 12.24.2012 12:49 PM PDT

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If somebody thinks somebody is inferior, I don't really give a crap, but if they go out of their way to harm them then that's when I lose respect for them.

Generally I don't really like obese people, but I would never treat them worse than anybody else.

  • 12.24.2012 12:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
Posted by: Recon Number 54
I am of the opinion that respect is earned, not bestowed.

Common courtesy should be extended to all and maintained for as long as possible, though it is possible that even courtesy can be abused and lost.

But respect? I place a high value on those who I respect. If I were to offer/give it to everyone simply because they have a pulse, that would devalue the respect that I have for those who have clearly earned it.
Hmmm. I think we're coming at this from different directions.

My mother is a practicing Muslim and chooses to wear the hijab when she's out and about her daily business. Most of the time, this isn't a problem. But sometimes, she gets very vile things yelled at her because of this visual representation of her faith.

Now, do you have to convert to Islam to make my mother happy? Of course not. But doesn't she deserve that baseline level of respect wherein people don't yell racial slurs at her because she feels more comfortable in public when her hair is covered?

That's what I mean about respect - treating people with decency and humanity out of a recognition of the things about them that they can't change, or that are profoundly important to them but otherwise harmless to others.

To me, not harassing your mother is simply a matter of courtesy, not respect. I don't know your mother, and so I am not inclined (nor particularly disinclined) to consider her worthy of my respect. I cannot respect strangers, I don't know enough about them to warrant them having my respect.

Courtesy? Especially if it is mutual? I can easily and gladly extend that to anyone/everyone.

But I place a higher value on my respect to simply extend it to everyone else in the world simply because they exist. I have seen far too many people (strangers all) who demonstrate their ability to not deserve my respect, that I am unwilling to offer it to all.
I would consider not harassing her to be behaving respectfully.

I think we more or less agree, but just have different definitions of the term.

  • 12.24.2012 12:55 PM PDT

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No. Not at all.

  • 12.24.2012 12:56 PM PDT

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Nope.

  • 12.24.2012 12:56 PM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

-Gandalf

I don't respect scumbags, so no.

  • 12.24.2012 12:56 PM PDT

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  • 12.24.2012 12:57 PM PDT
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I'll certainly show someone respect unless they give me a reason not to.

  • 12.24.2012 12:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I am of the opinion that respect is earned, not bestowed.

Common courtesy should be extended to all and maintained for as long as possible, though it is possible that even courtesy can be abused and lost.

But respect? I place a high value on those who I respect. If I were to offer/give it to everyone simply because they have a pulse, that would devalue the respect that I have for those who have clearly earned it.
This sums up my feelings on the matter quite nicely.

Also, this implies that respect is closely related to love.

And perhaps trust even.

All are (at least to me) very rare and special values that I will associate with an individual. They are unique (love, trust, respect) and are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive. I can say that I am capable of respecting someone without trusting or loving them. But if I love someone, I almost certainly trust and respect them.
Once more i find myself agreeing with you. However, in my life, I have found that when I associate any one of those three values with an individual, the others are either present, or not far behind. Of course, there are exceptions to this. For example, an old, senile relative who I love, but who I would not trust with much.


It seems that to delve much further into the matter, exact definitions of the subject matter would be required. These terms seem to be pretty relative, so i don't think this discussion can go much farther.

I could be wrong though. it's happened before.

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  • 12.24.2012 12:59 PM PDT

You don't get a cookie for being a decent human being.

  • 12.24.2012 1:01 PM PDT
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Some people are just dumb asses, no.

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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

I think that when it comes to issues of respect, tolerance, acceptance, courtesy, and how they relate to differences between people (and the inherent reaction to those differences by the individual) the Riddle Scale is a decent tool. Yes, it is commonly used (IMO misused) to determine if someone is "adequately accepting of differences" or "a ___-phobe", but if you apply it to any difference (instead of just the LGBT acceptance levels for which it was created), it is a decent tool

I think that it is important to understand that if a person is ay any point on the scale when it comes to someone else, there isn't and shouldn't be a judgement associated with the individual. They are capable, and with time and experience, most likely to alter their position if they have reason to. A new experience, reconsidering the implications, personal experience and growth, all allow every person to move on this scale as it pertains to others.

Repulsion:
People who are different are strange, sick, crazy, and aversive. Anything which will change them to be more normal or a part of the mainstream is justifiable.

Pity:
People who are different are somehow born that way and that is pitiful. Being different is definitely immature and les-preferred. To help these poor individuals, one should reinforce normal behavior.

Tolerance:
Being different is just a phase of development that ... most people 'grow out of.' Thus, they should be protected and tolerated as one does a child who is still learning.

Acceptance:
Implies that one needs to make accommodations for another's differences; does not acknowledge that another's identity may be of the same value as their own.

Support:
Works to safeguard the rights of those who are different. Such people may be uncomfortable themselves, but they are aware of the climate and the irrational unfairness in our society.

Admiration:
Acknowledges that being different in our society takes strength. Such people are willing to truly look at themselves and work on their own personal biases.

Appreciation:
Values the diversity of people and is willing to confront insensitive attitudes.

Nurturance:
Assumes the differences in people are indispensable in society. They view differences with genuine affection and delight, and are willing to be advocates of those differences.


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  • 12.24.2012 1:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Billygoat456
I'll bring the tritium laser cutters if you bring the beer!

Funny story.

I don't reward people for doing what's expected of them.

  • 12.24.2012 1:02 PM PDT

I think I love you...

Respect is earned for a reason. Not everyone deserves it.

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Respect has to be earned.

  • 12.24.2012 1:10 PM PDT

The way I think of it, I respect you as a person until you give me a reason not to.

  • 12.24.2012 1:12 PM PDT

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No.

Some things to consider: if it was, then "respect" would become an entirely meaningless concept. It would also have to be redefined, as you can't make yourself respect somebody you don't. Emotions cannot be faked.

  • 12.24.2012 1:15 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay

Respect is earned.

  • 12.24.2012 1:19 PM PDT

The tide is turning, brothers! Let us take our kingdom back!

Personally, I think respect should be earned.

  • 12.24.2012 1:21 PM PDT
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Respect is something that has to be earned by everyone.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 1:21 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 1:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Kurosaki_Kun

I know, right?
Jay acts like she's better than everyone else simply because she's a chick.
I hope she chokes to death.


Posted by: Decimator Omega
I don't respect scumbags, so no.
What kinds of people listed in the OP were scumbags? :P

  • 12.24.2012 7:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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That depends what you mean by respect.

  • 12.24.2012 7:51 PM PDT

This thread popped out of nowhere. As far as respect goes I try to respect others even if they disrespect me. And the keyword here is try cause it's not easy.

  • 12.24.2012 7:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Simba Too Cold
Nope.

  • 12.24.2012 7:53 PM PDT
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Not everyone deserves respect, and not all opinions are equal. A multicultural society is a society that knows no truths and lives in ignorance.

  • 12.24.2012 7:54 PM PDT

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