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Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

Nothing. It's not like we want to, either. Well, at least most of us don't.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:33 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:32 PM PDT

That's horrible.... Those people have the right to carry things out as they wish. International principles are non-existant (or should be).
Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: JohnyRL
Its really silly that because America has the power to enforce their principles on other countries, that they do. That's just horrible. They have a right to govern themselves.


The basis of international law are countries being subjected to another's principles. Doesn't mean that its silly, or immoral, in any sense of the word. The basis of any legal system, applied on either the domestic or international level, is that a country or countries has the moral authority to enforce certain moral principles on actors that disagree with said principles.

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There's nothing that gives us the right. The retarded presidents we've had for the past few decades seem to think that we've got to fix all of the world's problems.

  • 12.24.2012 9:33 PM PDT

If they dont want to, why do they?
Posted by: Teleidoscope
Nothing. It's not like we want to, either. Well, at least 90% of us doesn't.

  • 12.24.2012 9:33 PM PDT

Wasn't it because of the big stick policy

  • 12.24.2012 9:33 PM PDT

Is this really Obama's thing? America has always done thing like this. Of course, to different degrees though depending on who was leading.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
There's nothing that gives us the right. The retarded presidents we've had for the past few decades seem to think that we've got to fix all of the world's problems.

  • 12.24.2012 9:34 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?


Posted by: JohnyRL
So, my opinion that what america does isnt really the right thing to do is common?
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Posted by: JohnyRL
That's sad...
Posted by: xXPR3DAT0R141Xx
Cause we have the power to do it so we do. Pretty much sums it up.

But it's the truth think about it, we don't like something someone says so we go over put a base there and control the place. We have the military strength to do it and yeah it is sad but I guess it's America's way of keeping things in check.

Yeah I mean if we let England or Russia or China set up shop in America and start telling us what to do they would have every man with a gun at there front door trying to kill them we just are big and bad and nobody wants to mess with us and when they do we try to diplomatically settle things when in the end nothing ever gets solved and it just happens over and over again

  • 12.24.2012 9:34 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.


Posted by: JohnyRL
But doesnt the country and its people have the right to govern themselves? Why force out own moral principles upon those who dont agree with it? The land of the free doesnt care about the freedom of others?


No one has the freedom to commit genocide. Would you have proposed that the world stand by and do nothing during the Yugoslav wars, where the serbs were systemically exterminating bosnians and muslims?

We are human. We have a moral obligation to protect life.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:35 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:34 PM PDT
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Sovereignty can and has been revoked under certain circumstances. In a sense, sovereignty is a privilege given to a country by the international community at large, which can be revoked under certain conditions when the government's actions become irresponsible.

Moreover, freedom cannot be let loose without some restriction. I do not have the freedom to kill my neighbor because I refuse to follow my country's laws.


Posted by: JohnyRL
But doesnt the country and its people have the right to govern themselves? Why force out own moral principles upon those who dont agree with it? The land of the free doesnt care about the freedom of others?
Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: JohnyRL
But in a situation like what is currently going on in the middle east (you know what I'm talking about), why is there a need for World power intervention?


There are two rational reasons to the interventionism-esque foreign policy America has adopted since the end of World War Two.

1. America feels there is moral obligation that it owes the world as a capable and rich power. This notion primarily stems from the idea of American exceptionalism that has been ingrained both overtly and subliminally within our culture since the creation of the Declaration of Independence.

2. Is that most of these situations, end up affecting the integrity of the global security and economy. War, in principle, is never good for the economies of the world. It hampers trade, and lowers investment, thus hurting the capitalistic market. Moreover, in situations like these, where Weapons of Mass Destruction are fairly available to terrorist organizations, the securities of multiple western and non-western countries are put at risk by the instability of Syria.

  • 12.24.2012 9:35 PM PDT

Posted by: AgentCOP1
There's nothing that gives us the right. The retarded presidents we've had for the past few decades seem to think that we've got to fix all of the world's problems.
Exactly. Every President is guilty of this besides Obama. I'm not preaching for Obama here, I'm just stating a point.

  • 12.24.2012 9:35 PM PDT

Hm?

  • 12.24.2012 9:35 PM PDT

I keep asking myself the same question!

  • 12.24.2012 9:35 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

  • 12.24.2012 9:35 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

Posted by: JohnyRL
If they dont want to, why do they?
Posted by: Teleidoscope
Nothing. It's not like we want to, either. Well, at least 90% of us doesn't.
Because, unfortunately, the President and Congress decide where and when we go to war.

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Hitler had no right to kill his people, nor did Stalin have the right to imprison others in the gulag. The most powerful actor within a country has no right to exercise his will upon the people if it is bad for them. Social contract, brah.

Posted by: JohnyRL
That's horrible.... Those people have the right to carry things out as they wish. International principles are non-existant (or should be).
Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: JohnyRL
Its really silly that because America has the power to enforce their principles on other countries, that they do. That's just horrible. They have a right to govern themselves.


The basis of international law are countries being subjected to another's principles. Doesn't mean that its silly, or immoral, in any sense of the word. The basis of any legal system, applied on either the domestic or international level, is that a country or countries has the moral authority to enforce certain moral principles on actors that disagree with said principles.

  • 12.24.2012 9:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Godshatter
In Canada we're too lazy, let some other country go broke saving the world from itself.
This.

  • 12.24.2012 9:37 PM PDT

This is starting to sound like forerunner mantle crap.
There is no standard law that governs us all. Countries have the right to do what they wish. We have formed out own principles and standards (that include murder being taboo) and have no right to enforce our "rights" and "wrongs" on others.
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Posted by: JohnyRL
But doesnt the country and its people have the right to govern themselves? Why force out own moral principles upon those who dont agree with it? The land of the free doesnt care about the freedom of others?


No one has the freedom to commit genocide. Would you have proposed that the world stand by and do nothing during the Yugoslav wars, where the serbs were systemically exterminating bosnians and muslims?

We are human. We have a moral obligation to protect life.

  • 12.24.2012 9:37 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.


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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?


That is an excellent point. And the fact of the matter is, that we make that call.

There are some things that we all agree on. War Crimes are an example of something that the whole world has agreed to as being evil.

  • 12.24.2012 9:37 PM PDT

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?
Your conscience does. We are psychologically advanced enough as a species to comprehend what is good and what is bad.

  • 12.24.2012 9:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Teleidoscope
Posted by: AgentCOP1
There's nothing that gives us the right. The retarded presidents we've had for the past few decades seem to think that we've got to fix all of the world's problems.
Exactly. Every President is guilty of this besides Obama. I'm not preaching for Obama here, I'm just stating a point.


Not true, Obama has maintained America's involvement on the global level.

  • 12.24.2012 9:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: JohnyRL
Is this really Obama's thing? America has always done thing like this. Of course, to different degrees though depending on who was leading.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
There's nothing that gives us the right. The retarded presidents we've had for the past few decades seem to think that we've got to fix all of the world's problems.

Notice how I didn't even mention Obama. I just said all of the presidents the past few decades.

Posted by: Teleidoscope
Exactly. Every President is guilty of this besides Obama. I'm not preaching for Obama here, I'm just stating a point.

I'm really trying to not turn this thread into a political discussion, but I really do hope that you were joking.

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The fact that after the second world war we policed countries that were rebuilding and once they were rebuilt then didn't build militaries big enough to do anything. That and the cold war made the US double in weapons and size.

  • 12.24.2012 9:38 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.


Posted by: JohnyRL
This is starting to sound like forerunner mantle crap.
There is no standard law that governs us all. Countries have the right to do what they wish. We have formed out own principles and standards (that include murder being taboo) and have no right to enforce our "rights" and "wrongs" on others.
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: JohnyRL
But doesnt the country and its people have the right to govern themselves? Why force out own moral principles upon those who dont agree with it? The land of the free doesnt care about the freedom of others?


No one has the freedom to commit genocide. Would you have proposed that the world stand by and do nothing during the Yugoslav wars, where the serbs were systemically exterminating bosnians and muslims?

We are human. We have a moral obligation to protect life.


Nope.

Geneva Convention. The U.N. There are many ways that independent countries are bound to each other.

  • 12.24.2012 9:39 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

Exactly. We have formulated our own morals of "good" and "evil" and enforce those on nations who dont necessarily agree. There is no "good" or "evil." Just laws and people.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

  • 12.24.2012 9:39 PM PDT


Posted by: RustedEdge
America is the hero they deserve, but not the one they need...

America is Batman.


You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

  • 12.24.2012 9:39 PM PDT