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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

  • 12.24.2012 9:40 PM PDT
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If there is no good or evil, then does it matter that we enforce these principles on other nations? For the moral nihilist, our actions should not matter.

Posted by: JohnyRL
Exactly. We have formulated our own morals of "good" and "evil" and enforce those on nations who dont necessarily agree. There is no "good" or "evil." Just laws and people.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

  • 12.24.2012 9:40 PM PDT

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
That is an excellent point. And the fact of the matter is, that we make that call.

There are some things that we all agree on. War Crimes are an example of something that the whole world has agreed to as being evil.
Who is "we"?

Bringing up war crimes just puts us back at square one, because I all I need to do is ask what constitutes a war crime - what is evil?

  • 12.24.2012 9:40 PM PDT

One word oil. And stability to make more money.

  • 12.24.2012 9:41 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

The U.N. is an example. Ill have to agree there.
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr

Posted by: JohnyRL
This is starting to sound like forerunner mantle crap.
There is no standard law that governs us all. Countries have the right to do what they wish. We have formed out own principles and standards (that include murder being taboo) and have no right to enforce our "rights" and "wrongs" on others.
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Posted by: JohnyRL
But doesnt the country and its people have the right to govern themselves? Why force out own moral principles upon those who dont agree with it? The land of the free doesnt care about the freedom of others?


No one has the freedom to commit genocide. Would you have proposed that the world stand by and do nothing during the Yugoslav wars, where the serbs were systemically exterminating bosnians and muslims?

We are human. We have a moral obligation to protect life.


Nope.

Geneva Convention. The U.N. There are many ways that independent countries are bound to each other.

  • 12.24.2012 9:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: JohnyRL
Exactly. We have formulated our own morals of "good" and "evil" and enforce those on nations who dont necessarily agree. There is no "good" or "evil." Just laws and people.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?


Nope.

Rome Statute.

Countries have willingly and knowledgeably made themselves under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:42 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:41 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

If you would just look at some of the things people do in the middle east... it's pretty obvious some of it is just simply evil. Remember how husbands have the ritual of pouring acid over their wives' faces if they do absolutely anything that could even remotely piss them off?

Yeah... pretty evil.

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
That is an excellent point. And the fact of the matter is, that we make that call.

There are some things that we all agree on. War Crimes are an example of something that the whole world has agreed to as being evil.
Who is "we"?

Bringing up war crimes just puts us back at square one, because I all I need to do is ask what constitutes a war crime - what is evil?


Ahhhh! Nihilism. Nihilism everywhere. Get it away from me! It burns...

  • 12.24.2012 9:42 PM PDT

My head is spinning now.
Posted by: MilitaryTheorist
If there is no good or evil, then does it matter that we enforce these principles on other nations? For the moral nihilist, our actions should not matter.

Posted by: JohnyRL
Exactly. We have formulated our own morals of "good" and "evil" and enforce those on nations who dont necessarily agree. There is no "good" or "evil." Just laws and people.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

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One word oil. And stability to make more money.

must be why we have tons of oil coming in from iraq.

oh wait...

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
That is an excellent point. And the fact of the matter is, that we make that call.

There are some things that we all agree on. War Crimes are an example of something that the whole world has agreed to as being evil.
Who is "we"?

Bringing up war crimes just puts us back at square one, because I all I need to do is ask what constitutes a war crime - what is evil?

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  • 12.24.2012 9:42 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
Posted by: dazarobbo
Who decides what evil is?


That is an excellent point. And the fact of the matter is, that we make that call.

There are some things that we all agree on. War Crimes are an example of something that the whole world has agreed to as being evil.


That's untrue. Human evolution has advanced to the point where we can comprehend what is good and what is bad. I understand the point of looking at it from a different perspective, as in evil could be perceived as such because of the way society has been nurtured, but I disagree with that notion. First of all, we collectively look at bad things as being bad, for a reason. For example, you can't honestly tell me that if you saw an innocent get murdered in front of your eyes, you would have no remorse.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:46 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:43 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

What gives other countries the right to question America's authority over them?

  • 12.24.2012 9:43 PM PDT

Say's who? That's your standard. Not theirs.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

If you would just look at some of the things people do in the middle east... it's pretty obvious some of it is just simply evil. Remember how husbands have the ritual of pouring acid over their wives' faces if they do absolutely anything that could even remotely piss them off?

Yeah... pretty evil.

  • 12.24.2012 9:43 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

I gaze upon the stars and see the majesty that is the universe.


EGO mos bulla astrum.

Afghanistan was basically an accomplice to the Al-Qaeda organization.

The Iraq Invasion that you seem to be alluding to still remains a mystery and quite the possibly the most imperialistic and invasive use of United States power since the Iran-Iraq War.

So I don't know what gives the US and the west in general the right. I just know it is happening and has made differences both good and mostly bad. There's also the severe human right's abuse that the extremist culture of the Nationalistic and totalitarian regimes of the countries including former Iraq and Syria. That isn't justification for war, but it is something to take action against.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:45 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:43 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

hehe...
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
That is an excellent point. And the fact of the matter is, that we make that call.

There are some things that we all agree on. War Crimes are an example of something that the whole world has agreed to as being evil.
Who is "we"?

Bringing up war crimes just puts us back at square one, because I all I need to do is ask what constitutes a war crime - what is evil?

Every
Villain
Is
Lemons

  • 12.24.2012 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: JohnyRL
Say's who? That's your standard. Not theirs.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

If you would just look at some of the things people do in the middle east... it's pretty obvious some of it is just simply evil. Remember how husbands have the ritual of pouring acid over their wives' faces if they do absolutely anything that could even remotely piss them off?

Yeah... pretty evil.

It takes a special kind of heartless animal to pour acid over someone's face. I can guarantee you that if those nut heads in the middle east weren't brain-washed into believing all of those Jihadist radical crap that they would very easily be able to see that something as heinous as this is actually a bad thing.

Of course to an individual like you who believes that morality is completely and entirely subjective, I can't even argue to you that harming a person is bad.

  • 12.24.2012 9:47 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervene in other countries affairs?

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

OP, you argue that have no obligation to enforce our morals on another country.

Perhaps you are right.

However, there are times when it simply goes to far.

- Almost every country in the world is part of the U.N.
- Most countries have willingly put themselves under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court.
- Almost every country in the world signed the geneva convention.

There are certain rules that every country in the world has agreed to follow. We have all agreed to not commit certain crimes, such as Genocide. And when one country breaks this contract, it is the responsibility of the other countries to bring them to justice.

All moral codes are different in some way. But almost every country in the world has agreed to a certain basic set of morals; to not commit certain crimes, specifically war crimes. That's a standard that almost every country in the world has legally agreed to by putting their signature on a piece of paper. That's a standard that everyone has legally agreed to.

[Edited on 12.24.2012 9:49 PM PST]

  • 12.24.2012 9:47 PM PDT
Subject: What Gives america the right to intervine in other countries affairs?

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Posted by: JohnyRL
Say's who? That's your standard. Not theirs.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

If you would just look at some of the things people do in the middle east... it's pretty obvious some of it is just simply evil. Remember how husbands have the ritual of pouring acid over their wives' faces if they do absolutely anything that could even remotely piss them off?

Yeah... pretty evil.
Society as a whole and the majority of the people of the world. Objectivity does not exist so stop with your, as Jon Stewart would put it,"Bull-blam!- slippery slope argument."

  • 12.24.2012 9:48 PM PDT

Again. Hold your own opinion. Every country has the right to hold true to their own moral principles and not have those of others enforced onto them. YOU think its horrible.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: JohnyRL
Say's who? That's your standard. Not theirs.
Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's why.
Who decides what evil is?

If you would just look at some of the things people do in the middle east... it's pretty obvious some of it is just simply evil. Remember how husbands have the ritual of pouring acid over their wives' faces if they do absolutely anything that could even remotely piss them off?

Yeah... pretty evil.

It takes a special kind of heartless animal to pour acid over someone's face. I can guarantee you that if those nut heads in the middle east weren't brain-washed into believing all of those Jihadist radical crap that they would very easily be able to see that something as heinous as this is actually a bad thing.

Of course to an individual like you who believes that morality is completely and entirely subjective, I can't even argue to you that harming a person is bad.

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  • 12.24.2012 9:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
OP, you argue that have no obligation to enforce our morals on another country.

Perhaps you are right.

However, there are times when it simply goes to far.

- Almost every country in the world is part of the U.N.
- Most countries have willingly put themselves under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court.
- Almost every country in the world signed the geneva convention.

There are certain rules that every country in the world has agreed to follow. We have all agreed to not commit certain crimes, such as Genocide. And when one country breaks this contract, it is the responsibility of the other countries to bring them to justice.

All moral codes are different in some way. But almost every country in the world has agreed to a certain basic set of morals; to not commit certain crimes, specifically war crimes. That's a standard that almost every country in the world has legally agreed to by putting their signature on a piece of paper. That's a standard that everyone has legally agreed to.


Most likely the best post here. Are you a college student?

  • 12.24.2012 9:52 PM PDT


Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
OP, you argue that have no obligation to enforce our morals on another country.

Perhaps you are right.

However, there are times when it simply goes to far.

- Almost every country in the world is part of the U.N.
- Most countries have willingly put themselves under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court.
- Almost every country in the world signed the geneva convention.


There are certain rules that every country in the world has agreed to follow. We have all agreed to not commit certain crimes, such as Genocide. And when one country breaks this contract, it is the responsibility of the other countries to bring them to justice.

All moral codes are different in some way. But almost every country in the world has agreed to a certain basic set of morals; to not commit certain crimes, specifically war crimes. That's a standard that almost every country in the world has legally agreed to by putting their signature on a piece of paper. That's a standard that everyone has legally agreed to.


This the only convincing point I've found in this thread.

  • 12.24.2012 9:52 PM PDT

Posted by: ArtooFeva
Afghanistan was basically an accomplice to the Al-Qaeda organization.

The Iraq Invasion that you seem to be alluding to still remains a mystery and quite the possibly the most imperialistic and invasive use of United States power since the Iran-Iraq War.

So I don't know what gives the US and the west in general the right. I just know it is happening and has made differences both good and mostly bad. There's also the severe human right's abuse that the extremist culture of the Nationalistic and totalitarian regimes of the countries including former Iraq and Syria. That isn't justification for war, but it is something to take action against.
You can't take action without going to war. Both of these countries had and have a brutal dictator, respectively. Whether you like it or not, the U.S. changed Iraq for the better and there is no arguing that. Not only did we remove a dictator who slaughtered thousands of innocent lives, but we helped construct a democracy and spent billions building schools, roads and other infrastructure.

Also, notice how chemical weapons are now turning up in Syria. Syria is a whole other issue in itself - but many intelligence professionals believe that thousands of WMD's from Iraq were transported into Syria prior to the invasion of Iraq (due to the advanced knowledge of the invasion, thanks to Dick Cheney). Who knows where they are now.

  • 12.24.2012 9:52 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.


Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: oaklandp8ntbalr
OP, you argue that have no obligation to enforce our morals on another country.

Perhaps you are right.

However, there are times when it simply goes to far.

- Almost every country in the world is part of the U.N.
- Most countries have willingly put themselves under the jurisdiction of the international criminal court.
- Almost every country in the world signed the geneva convention.

There are certain rules that every country in the world has agreed to follow. We have all agreed to not commit certain crimes, such as Genocide. And when one country breaks this contract, it is the responsibility of the other countries to bring them to justice.

All moral codes are different in some way. But almost every country in the world has agreed to a certain basic set of morals; to not commit certain crimes, specifically war crimes. That's a standard that almost every country in the world has legally agreed to by putting their signature on a piece of paper. That's a standard that everyone has legally agreed to.


Most likely the best post here. Are you a college student?


Nope. I'm a senior in high school.

  • 12.24.2012 9:52 PM PDT