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Subject: Give me reasons why Halo 4 is bad.


Posted by: foreveraloner35
-Spawning with plasma grenades
-Spawning with boltshot
-Perks to make grenades even more OP
-Crutches to save players who got outplayed
-Terribad maps
-Ordnance drops
-Ugly as fug armor
-Spartan Ops re using maps over and over and over

To add
-The DMR ruins map movement
-Bad teammate/Idiots who camp and/or steal kills to stat pad
-Soft kill barriers everywhere in forge and campaign
-No campaign theatre
-No fun glitches/easter eggs
-No fun to get out of levels
-Campaign is really linear in some parts and/or slow paced (having to wait for the mammoth)
-Bad UI
-Weapons despawn to fast
-No weapons on map
-Infection and other custom options removed for no reason.
-Can't get near the water in forge
-Forge map terrain makes it hard to forge with lots of bumpy terrain, stuff bounces out of the ground if you phase it too far in.
-Can't disable sprint
-Instant spawns

[Edited on 12.25.2012 5:41 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2012 5:32 PM PDT

Stop banning me please.


Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Plain Ben
Posted by: shadowknight566
Why is instant spawn a complaint? I think it's a lot better to jump into the action instead of watching your dead body flop around for 9 seconds.
Because out-BRing a guy only to turn around to see the same guy there finishing you off isn't particularly fun or fair?


This. It also removes all tension or drama from the game, as you know that you can jump immediately back in and help your team/finish that guy off. The spawn countdown from previous Halo games was your penalty, and your killers reward, and now it doesn't exist.

All these little problems with H4 combine together to form a giant mess.

There are so many fixable things. They really need to change some stuff. I just hope Halo 5 doesn't start from Halo 4 as far as MP goes. Halo 5 needs to be a little more reach styled.

  • 12.25.2012 5:33 PM PDT


Posted by: foreveraloner35
Spawning with plasma grenades

Spawning with boltshot

Perks to make grenades even more OP

Crutches to save players who got outplayed

Terribad maps

Ordnance drops

Ugly as fug armor

Spartan Ops re using maps over and over and over


-I'm sorry, how is spawning with plasma grenades bad at all? It takes two grenades to destroy a vehicle anyways, they were nerfed. You have more choice

-I agree on the boltshot

-There are perks for many things. The grenade perk doesn't even affect that much-- if anything, it makes grenades as powerful they were in halo 3 and reach

-... How?

-Which ones? What about those maps are bad? No really, please explain

-I can't argue against your opinion on ordinance drops really, I kind of agree that they shouldnt be there. But they only exist on infinity slayer. Theres still like 10 gametypes without it

-thats your opinion, again, cant argue against it

-On spartan ops, halo combat evolved did this-- with the entire campaign.

  • 12.25.2012 5:35 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

lmao I just went 37-1 using nothing but the Boltshot on Haven.

How can anyone defend spawning with that?

  • 12.25.2012 5:35 PM PDT

Ugly armor sets
MP character textures are a joke
Dynamic lighting is broken in theater
SpOps is a joke
Terrible maps
Awful spawns
Objective is a joke
BS ranking system
Loadouts
AAs are still gimmicks
Forge mode is worse than Reach and more boring than in 3
Forge maps are tiny and awful
Forge palette is the same as Reach, but hospital white
Custom game options are severely lacking
No VIP
No Race
No Invasion
No Assault
No Infection (Infection > Flood because of custom game options)
No Firefight
No "Insane" gameypes
No Action Sack
No File Browser
No viewing file shares in pre-game
No "None of the above" option
No Trueskill
No "Vanilla" playlist
No Search Preferences
BTB is Big team Ragnarok and Exile
UI is awful
Didact had so much more potential
Unfulfilling ending


It's not a bad game. It's a few steps forward and 32 steps back.

  • 12.25.2012 5:36 PM PDT


Posted by: GohanRules 12
To add
-The DMR ruins map movement
-Bad teammate/Idiots who camp and/or steal kills to stat pad
-Soft kill barriers everywhere in forge and campaign
-No campaign theatre
-No fun glitches/easter eggs
-No fun to get out of levels
-Campaign is really linear in some parts and/or slow paced (having to wait for the mammoth)
-Bad UI

-sure
-thats existed in every halo, like ever
-i miss glitching out of halo 3, yeah
-agree
-there are actually many easter eggs and secrets in the 4 campaign, just much less obvious
-?
-yes
-how?

  • 12.25.2012 5:37 PM PDT

Be sure to tell everyone how cool you are. If you don't tell them, they won't know.

1. Boltshot for ruining close range encounters. Why use any other gun when you can spawn with the superior close range weapon?

2. Randomness of Ordinance. While skilled play should usually always trump the unforeseeable influence of random weapon drops, the fact that one player will receive inferior weapons to another player at his skill level is immediately frustrating. (I always get: Needler, grenades and overshield, and it seems like everybody else is getting snipers and rockets and SAWs.)

3. Lack of variety in both matchmaking and custom games. Specifically, CTF. Why was 1 flag killed off? Why can't a player willingly drop the flag anymore? Why is there always an icon above the carriers head now?

4. Weapon de-spawns. Weapons disappear within 5-10 seconds of falling from a dead player. In games with longer re-spawns, expect to never see the weapon you dropped ever again.

5. Join in progress. I never get people to rejoin on my team, and I only ever get put into games that the other team is significantly far ahead and there is no hope to recover.

6. Very few tolerable maps. Outside of Haven, I can't say I really enjoy any boards in this game.

That being said the game does have some good things going for it. But I'd really like, at the very least, 1-4 on my list to be fixed. I've liked all the other Halos and played them for the duration of their lifespan (from release until the next halo came out) but this one doesn't seem like its going to last much longer for me. Unless they fix some junk.

  • 12.25.2012 5:38 PM PDT

NON FACET NOBIS CALCITRARE VESTRUM PERNÇ¢UM


Posted by: Silph Lord Elk
T4R. Why is it bad?

Easier question: Why is it good?

  • 12.25.2012 5:44 PM PDT
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Lack of traditional gametypes
No TruSkill (no separation of ranked and social playlists)
Maps lack creativity
LACK OF TRADITIONAL GAMETYPES
Armor is simply atrocious
lolspartan points

  • 12.25.2012 5:48 PM PDT
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Lack of traditional gametypes
No TruSkill (no separation of ranked and social playlists)
Maps lack creativity
LACK OF TRADITIONAL GAMETYPES in MM
Armor is simply atrocious
lolspartan points

  • 12.25.2012 5:49 PM PDT


Posted by: MonkeyHominid
-sure
-thats existed in every halo, like ever
It seemed more noticable for me in H4, so it's more of a subjective thing.
-i miss glitching out of halo 3, yeah
-agree
--there are actually many easter eggs and secrets in the 4 campaign, just much less obvious
I mean stuff like the monkey men, team jumping where the skull was on Sierra 117 then glitching through the barrier to find the lone monkey man, t-bagging guy on Halo in the corner, Sergeant Johnson's funny phrases when you take his laser (I got him chasing me saying "WHAT's MAH NAME!") and so many more.
-?
In halo 2 there was the giant spartan glitch, Halo 3 there was the "davinci code egg, making bases to hide from the guardians, and exploring. In H4 there is soft kills nearly everywhere, so it's fairly boring.
-yes
-how?
Compared to Reach, the UI is majpr step back and over complicated.

  • 12.25.2012 5:51 PM PDT
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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.

It isn't, it's just that there will ALWAYS be people who will complain. ALWAYS. ALWAYS ALWAYS. There are always slobbering babies who whine about the population or gameplay or a new mechanic. They're afraid of change.

It's like this:

343 makes Halo 4 the way it is now: "OMG DEY RUINED HALO IT'S SO LIKE COD NOW WITH LOADOUTS AND KILLCAMZ"

If 343 made Halo 4 more like halo 3: "OMG ITS DA EXACT SAME GAME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING! IT'S SO LIKE COD BECAUSE IT WAS COPY/PASTED!"

Nothing will EVER satisfy the whiny babies.

[Edited on 12.25.2012 5:53 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2012 5:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

The narrative is godawful and the main enemies are bullet sponges. I wouldn't say that necessarily makes it 'bad', but it certainly does suffer for it.

  • 12.25.2012 5:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Godshatter
I'm a sad little whiney piece of crap.
The only part of your post that's correct.

Seriously. You're insane if you think that Halo 4 is a perfect game without it's own fair share of problems. If Halo 4 is really as good of a game as you make it out to be, you shouldn't be upset that people don't like it as much as you do.

[Edited on 12.25.2012 5:57 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2012 5:55 PM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.


Posted by: A Blind Wolf
It isn't, it's just that there will ALWAYS be people who will complain. ALWAYS. ALWAYS ALWAYS. There are always slobbering babies who whine about the population or gameplay or a new mechanic. They're afraid of change.

It's like this:

343 makes Halo 4 the way it is now: "OMG DEY RUINED HALO IT'S SO LIKE COD NOW WITH LOADOUTS AND KILLCAMZ"

If 343 made Halo 4 more like halo 3: "OMG ITS DA EXACT SAME GAME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING! IT'S SO LIKE COD BECAUSE IT WAS COPY/PASTED!"

Nothing will EVER satisfy the whiny babies.



And there will ALWAYS be kids that take a handful of legitimate concerns about a game and provide one oversimplified explanation in an attempt to justify those concerns, whilst looking like an ignorant fanboy.

  • 12.25.2012 5:57 PM PDT

Posted by: A Blind Wolf
It's like this:

343 makes Halo 4 the way it is now: "OMG DEY RUINED HALO IT'S SO LIKE COD NOW WITH LOADOUTS AND KILLCAMZ"

If 343 made Halo 4 more like halo 3: "OMG ITS DA EXACT SAME GAME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING! IT'S SO LIKE COD BECAUSE IT WAS COPY/PASTED!"

Nothing will EVER satisfy the whiny babies.
Actually it's not really like that at all. Try evolving your thought processes beyond your binary way of thinking.

  • 12.25.2012 6:00 PM PDT

bolt-shot...my god, i hate that weapon.

other than that, i love it.

  • 12.25.2012 6:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: A Blind Wolf
It's like this:

343 makes Halo 4 the way it is now: "OMG DEY RUINED HALO IT'S SO LIKE COD NOW WITH LOADOUTS AND KILLCAMZ"

If 343 made Halo 4 more like halo 3: "OMG ITS DA EXACT SAME GAME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING! IT'S SO LIKE COD BECAUSE IT WAS COPY/PASTED!"

Nothing will EVER satisfy the whiny babies.
Actually it's not really like that at all. Try evolving your thought processes beyond your binary way of thinking.

no, actually, what he said is pretty much true.

you've got three groups.

one group is pretty much silent all the time with no out-spoken complaints who enjoy all versions.
one group hates change.
one group welcomes change.

  • 12.25.2012 6:03 PM PDT

Signatures are for little kids.


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Godshatter
I'm a sad little whiney piece of crap.
The only part of your post that's correct.

Seriously. You're insane if you think that Halo 4 is a perfect game without it's own fair share of problems. If Halo 4 is really as good of a game as you make it out to be, you shouldn't be upset that people don't like it as much as you do.
I have fun playing it, every game has problems if you dig deep enough and look hard enough.

Video games for me are just for fun. I have fun playing it so I don't get all worked up about every little thing in the game.

I thought Black Ops 2 was really bad, traded it in right away. I don't go on about it on any forums though because I realize nobody cares what I think about it.

Seems like the people who hate Halo 4 really believe strangers on the internet give a crap. They also continue to focus their thinking and energy on something they don't like and as far as I'm concerned only a moron would do that.

I haven't thought of BO2 since I traded it in before making this post. Smart people move on from things they don't like and realize strangers on the internet don't give a crap about their woes.

  • 12.25.2012 6:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Slain Valhallan
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: A Blind Wolf
It's like this:

343 makes Halo 4 the way it is now: "OMG DEY RUINED HALO IT'S SO LIKE COD NOW WITH LOADOUTS AND KILLCAMZ"

If 343 made Halo 4 more like halo 3: "OMG ITS DA EXACT SAME GAME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING! IT'S SO LIKE COD BECAUSE IT WAS COPY/PASTED!"

Nothing will EVER satisfy the whiny babies.
Actually it's not really like that at all. Try evolving your thought processes beyond your binary way of thinking.

no, actually, what he said is pretty much true.

you've got three groups.

one group is pretty much silent all the time with no out-spoken complaints who enjoy all versions.
one group hates change.
one group welcomes change.
And like I said, that is a far too simpleminded and simplified way of viewing the world.

A series that changes can bad if those changes are bad, and a series that changes can be good if those changes are good. Try wrapping your head around that little dynamic.

  • 12.25.2012 6:06 PM PDT

Signatures are for little kids.


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: A Blind Wolf
It's like this:

343 makes Halo 4 the way it is now: "OMG DEY RUINED HALO IT'S SO LIKE COD NOW WITH LOADOUTS AND KILLCAMZ"

If 343 made Halo 4 more like halo 3: "OMG ITS DA EXACT SAME GAME AND THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING! IT'S SO LIKE COD BECAUSE IT WAS COPY/PASTED!"

Nothing will EVER satisfy the whiny babies.
Actually it's not really like that at all. Try evolving your thought processes beyond your binary way of thinking.
Actually he's right.

No matter what, people on the internet will complain.

It's all good though. If not liking Halo 4 is your biggest concern your life is pretty sweet.

And besides, just wait another week or so for the next modern military 'war is great fun' FPS to come out.. The next one is sure to be the best game ever!

  • 12.25.2012 6:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Godshatter
Seems like the people who hate Halo 4 really believe strangers on the internet give a crap. They also continue to focus their thinking and energy on something they don't like and as far as I'm concerned only a moron would do that.
What about the game developers who's day by day job forces them to analyze the games they make, find problems, and find solutions to those problems? Are they morons as well?

  • 12.25.2012 6:08 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: Slain Valhallan
one group is pretty much silent all the time with no out-spoken complaints who enjoy all versions.
one group hates change.
one group welcomes change.


So the number of people who actually think for themselves comes to precisely zero?

  • 12.25.2012 6:09 PM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: GohanRules 12
-Soft kill barriers everywhere in forge and campaign


Who's idea was it to put in soft kill barriers in forge and campaign anyways?

It's pretty idiotic if you ask me.

  • 12.25.2012 6:09 PM PDT

Signatures are for little kids.


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Godshatter
Seems like the people who hate Halo 4 really believe strangers on the internet give a crap. They also continue to focus their thinking and energy on something they don't like and as far as I'm concerned only a moron would do that.
What about the game developers who's day by day job forces them to analyze the games they make, find problems, and find solutions to those problems? Are they morons as well?
No, obviously I didn't say that in my post. Just read what I wrote without adding your own stuff into it. Try wrapping your head around that little dynamic.

  • 12.25.2012 6:10 PM PDT