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Subject: Lets discuss rifles and the term, "Assault Weapon."

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Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates

Ok, I see a lot of confusion in the flood about what an Assault Weapon is, how it relates to Assault Rifles, and where that leaves the average joe.

Ok, lets start.

Definition of an Assault Rifle: A chambered in an intermediate cartridge, capable of accepting a detachable box magazine with the ability to engage targets at 300 meters using semiautomatic or automatic fire.

Now lets define Automatic: Automatic fire is the ability to pull and hold a trigger on a firearm and let loose continuous fire.

Now Semiautomatic: Semiautomatic fire is the ability to pull the trigger and hold it yet still only fire one round per trigger pull.


Now what is an 'Assault Weapon'? As per California law, an Assault weapon is any semi-auto center fire rifle that has one or all of the following features as well as the ability to accept a detachable magazine:
Collapsible stock
Bayonet Lug
Conspicuously protruding pistol grip
Flash suppressor
Grenade or Flare launcher
Forward Pistol grip



Now what does that all mean? Well the best way to explain it is to show you in pictures.

Assault Weapon. Note the stock, pistol grip, bayonet lug, and flash hider. This is clearly an assault weapon. It is a felony in California to attach a magazine greater than 10 rounds.

Now lets look at what isn't an assault weapon.
Not an assault weapon. It has a flush pistol grip, no bayonet lug, a fixed stock, and a pinned flash hider. It is legal in California to have a magazine greater than 10 rounds.

Not an assault weapon It has a device which prevents the magazine from being removed, thus making it not an assault weapon.

Not an Assault Weapon Ruger Mini 14

Assault Weapon Also a Ruger mini 14. Same function as the one above, but because of it's features, it is an assault weapon.


Not an Assault Weapon Springfield Arms M1A

Assault Weapon Springfield Arms M1A. Same action as above, but different cosmetic features thus making it an assault weapon.



The point I am trying to make is that the term Assault Weapon does nothing but indicates the features on the firearm and not the function it's self.

Assault Weapon was a term coined to try and stigmatize semiautomatic firearms. Wiki article on the term "Assault Weapon." All the term does is single out rifles based on aesthetics and not function. Functionally an AR-15 is no different than your granddad's semiautomatic hunting rifle, just less powerful.

The AR-15 Platform (AR standing for Armalite and not Assault Rifle) fires a .223 caliber bullet. Which is substantially less than most other semiautomatic hunting rifles which fire heavy hunting rounds like .308, 30-06, .300 win mag, 7mm rem, and other 30 caliber bullets. It has much less power than all of those rounds I listed, yet it is constantly called a high powered rifle when it really isn't.


Now to buff out one last misconception fully. The AR is AR-15 does not stand for "Assault Rifle." It sands for Armalite, the original creators of the AR-15 platform. Armalite produced many different type of Firearms. Such as the AR-7 wich is a semi-auto .22 rifle that could be broken down and stored in it's own stock. Armalite also produced the AR-17 which is a semiautomatic hunting shotgun[/url]. So no, none of these are "Assault Rifles" They are the ARmalite Series.



Hope I lifted some of the confusion.

Feel free to ask questions. I will do my best to answer.

  • 12.26.2012 6:20 PM PDT

I'm blue da ba di da ba dai!

Let's not.

  • 12.26.2012 6:20 PM PDT

dat feeling when you plow a multi-ton covenant war machine.

I'm not sure if my thirty round mag for my sks is bant


:3

  • 12.26.2012 6:23 PM PDT

So what is the AK-74u? An SMG or Assault Rifle?

  • 12.26.2012 6:23 PM PDT

http://dictionary.reference.com/
http://thesaurus.com/
http://grammar.com/

I think AR-15 and similar weapons should not be totally prohibited.

Cuz when the po-po's come to take my friend's guns, someone gonna get hurt. If no one shows up at his door and marches into his house, no one gets hurt.

  • 12.26.2012 6:23 PM PDT

Please do not send me group invites.

I honestly can't even think about guns anymore. That's all anyone talks about anymore; here, the news, wherever. It's all about guns.

  • 12.26.2012 6:24 PM PDT

Signatures are for little kids.

I tried to read that but gun stuff is sooooo damn boring.

Guns = tools for the weak.

  • 12.26.2012 6:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Godshatter
I tried to read that but gun stuff is sooooo damn boring.

Guns = tools for the weak.


Depends on the situation.

  • 12.26.2012 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: HundredJono
So what is the AK-74u? An SMG or Assault Rifle?
It's a carbine variant of the AK-74 assault rifle.

  • 12.26.2012 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: the panzie man
I'm not sure if my thirty round mag for my sks is bant


:3


you'll be fine. I have an AK and an AR with plenty of mags. If any kind of ban passes it will not be retroactive. You'll get to keep and enjoy your stuff. Companies just won't be able to produce anymore for consumption.

  • 12.26.2012 6:27 PM PDT
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Yup.

Good man.

  • 12.26.2012 6:27 PM PDT

dat feeling when you plow a multi-ton covenant war machine.


Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER

Posted by: the panzie man
I'm not sure if my thirty round mag for my sks is bant


:3


you'll be fine. I have an AK and an AR with plenty of mags. If any kind of ban passes it will not be retroactive. You'll get to keep and enjoy your stuff. Companies just won't be able to produce anymore for consumption.


The mag isn't detachable, I don't figure I'd get in trouble for it anyway.

it and the bayonet attachment are realy just for looks anyway.

  • 12.26.2012 6:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates


Posted by: the panzie man

Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER

Posted by: the panzie man
I'm not sure if my thirty round mag for my sks is bant


:3


you'll be fine. I have an AK and an AR with plenty of mags. If any kind of ban passes it will not be retroactive. You'll get to keep and enjoy your stuff. Companies just won't be able to produce anymore for consumption.


The mag isn't detachable, I don't figure I'd get in trouble for it anyway.

it and the bayonet attachment are realy just for looks anyway.


Do you have the Norinco Pistol grip Mag combo?

If so, that would be classified as an Assault Weapon.

If you have an SKS-M then you should be good, it has none of the evil features.

  • 12.26.2012 6:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: the panzie man

Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER

Posted by: the panzie man
I'm not sure if my thirty round mag for my sks is bant


:3


you'll be fine. I have an AK and an AR with plenty of mags. If any kind of ban passes it will not be retroactive. You'll get to keep and enjoy your stuff. Companies just won't be able to produce anymore for consumption.


The mag isn't detachable, I don't figure I'd get in trouble for it anyway.

it and the bayonet attachment are realy just for looks anyway.


Do you have the Norinco Pistol grip Mag combo?

If so, that would be classified as an Assault Weapon.

If you have an SKS-M then you should be good, it has none of the evil features.


thats not really the point. Mine are considered AR's. But any ban that passes won't take any of it away, it will just keep me and others from purchasing more.

  • 12.26.2012 6:31 PM PDT

dat feeling when you plow a multi-ton covenant war machine.

It's just an old korean wood-and-metal fossil.


but she's a pretty fossil.

  • 12.26.2012 6:32 PM PDT

The Spartan Special Ops - Now with more LOLgasms!

Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates


Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: the panzie man

Posted by: SICKLEnHAMMER

Posted by: the panzie man
I'm not sure if my thirty round mag for my sks is bant


:3


you'll be fine. I have an AK and an AR with plenty of mags. If any kind of ban passes it will not be retroactive. You'll get to keep and enjoy your stuff. Companies just won't be able to produce anymore for consumption.


The mag isn't detachable, I don't figure I'd get in trouble for it anyway.

it and the bayonet attachment are realy just for looks anyway.


Do you have the Norinco Pistol grip Mag combo?

If so, that would be classified as an Assault Weapon.

If you have an SKS-M then you should be good, it has none of the evil features.


thats not really the point. Mine are considered AR's. But any ban that passes won't take any of it away, it will just keep me and others from purchasing more.


That is assuming the ban isn't a gun grab ban. Where they demand you give up your rifles.

Heh, I'd like to see them do that. the BATFE would likely hear about a lot of lost guns in boating accidents.

  • 12.26.2012 6:33 PM PDT

What a waste....

I find it interesting that my brother could, with a few screwdrivers, turn his mini-14 into a fully automatic weapon, yet it isn't banned.

And really, people have used 3-D printers to make guns, or parts of guns, and have it fire. Banning so-called "assault weapons" won't do much when people can still fire a shot.

  • 12.26.2012 6:33 PM PDT

I still prefer the term Sturmgewehr.

  • 12.26.2012 6:33 PM PDT

The Spartan Special Ops - Now with more LOLgasms!

Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates


Posted by: Nocbl2
I find it interesting that my brother could, with a few screwdrivers, turn his mini-14 into a fully automatic weapon, yet it isn't banned.


Actually, that is very illegal and he could go to federal prison if the ATF caught him. Possession of an unregistered automatic weapon is a felony.

  • 12.26.2012 6:34 PM PDT

dat feeling when you plow a multi-ton covenant war machine.

crap quality.

  • 12.26.2012 6:35 PM PDT

Unto the Fray we go

Assault Weapon: A term pulled out of a politician's butt to confuse the population and cloud the truth.

[Edited on 12.26.2012 6:35 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 6:35 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

OP, I think it would clear a lot of things up if you could also explain the different calibers of bullets. I'm not a gun nut and it's difficult to keep track of all the measurements and such.

  • 12.26.2012 6:36 PM PDT

What a waste....


Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: Nocbl2
I find it interesting that my brother could, with a few screwdrivers, turn his mini-14 into a fully automatic weapon, yet it isn't banned.


Actually, that is very illegal and he could go to federal prison if the ATF caught him. Possession of an unregistered automatic weapon is a felony.
I mean that the mini-14 as a semi-automatic weapon isn't banned, when it can easily be made more deadly.

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I'm 99.9% sure there will never be a "gun grab". Australia did it, but obviously they had to pay for them since they are confiscating property bought legally. There are just waaaayyyy too many in the US for that to be economically feasible. And making you a felon for owning one overnight won't work either. That violates ex post facto law. Thanks for the thread BTW

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Posted by: ImperialAdmiral
Assault Weapon: A term pulled out of a politician's butt to confuse the population and cloud the truth.


^^ this

  • 12.26.2012 6:37 PM PDT