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Subject: Lets discuss rifles and the term, "Assault Weapon."

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Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: Spartanr63
Funny, by that definition, the Assault Rifle from Halo, is not an Assault Rifle, based on its grip.
It's an assault rifle, but it isn't an assault weapon.

  • 12.26.2012 8:10 PM PDT

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I just separate civilian grade and military grade, there's the line right there.


So the line being Automatic?
Pretty much.

  • 12.26.2012 8:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

The M1 isn't an assault rifle in my book, because it shoots 8 shots then makes a loud PANG noise. The AR-15 can shoot 30 shots.

Your standards are flawed.

In my book, all toyota sedans are race cars and should be banned from the streets because a few nascar cars are modeled somewhat to look like them.

Yet supercars are fine, as you never see them in major pro racing, such F1 or NASCAR.

  • 12.26.2012 8:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If you don't need something for hunting or self defense or sport, you should not be allowed to have it. The amount of bullets a gun can shoot before you reload (whether that's a clip, a magazine, what have you) should be limited to about 10. If you're hunting, and you fire off 10 rounds, you either hit or did not hit whatever you were trying to hit. If you didn't hit it, it's probably run off. If you did hit it, good job. Either way, it's time for you to reload. This would limit the amount of damage any given gunman would be able to do to a crowd of people (as that's the point of gun restrictions: to help with gun crime).

If that restriction alone is put in place, along with restrictions to people who have people with mental illnesses living in their home and/or on the mentally ill themselves (determined via a federally-regulated test), I think the violent gun crime rate would go down drastically. Or, at the very least, the amount of people killed in the incidents could go down. Everything else (collapsable stock, pistol grip, scope, etc.) don't actually assist someone in the killing of another human unless they've got a sniper rifle in which case holy -blam!- how the -blam!- did that man get a sniper rifle remove that man's sniper rifle.

TL;DR: "Assault Weapon" criteria are dumb. Amount of bullets in a magazine/clip/gun is a legitimate argument to have though.


You do know that magazine size makes no difference what so ever. Be it a 10 round mag, a 20 STANAG, 30 PMAG, or 100 round BETA C. The speed at which you can drop a mag and reload is pretty fast for anyone who is anything close to familiar with firearms.

Did you know that the Aurora shooter had a hundred round beta mag, which jammed after a few rounds and he reverted to his shotgun and handguns?

  • 12.26.2012 8:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: destroys u
Posted by: Spartanr63
Funny, by that definition, the Assault Rifle from Halo, is not an Assault Rifle, based on its grip.
It's an assault rifle, but it isn't an assault weapon.

Another reason this "assault weapon" standard is a huge load of horse crap.

  • 12.26.2012 8:17 PM PDT

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If you don't need something for hunting or self defense or sport, you should not be allowed to have it. The amount of bullets a gun can shoot before you reload (whether that's a clip, a magazine, what have you) should be limited to about 10. If you're hunting, and you fire off 10 rounds, you either hit or did not hit whatever you were trying to hit. If you didn't hit it, it's probably run off. If you did hit it, good job. Either way, it's time for you to reload. This would limit the amount of damage any given gunman would be able to do to a crowd of people (as that's the point of gun restrictions: to help with gun crime).

All this will do is inconvenience everyone and force them to carry more magazines. It takes about a second to eject one magazine and insert a new one.

Just to prove a point, my brother and I decided to see how fast we could shoot with a bolt-action .22 and 5-round magazines. We averaged about 9 seconds to shoot 5 targets and reload. No capacity limit is going to do anything other than annoy people.

Edit: and then there's this guy 12 shots from a single revolver in 3s.

[Edited on 12.26.2012 8:20 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 8:17 PM PDT

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Obviously professional gun shooters can shoot guns quickly and accurately, but that average mass murderer is not a professional or professionally trained shooter.

  • 12.26.2012 8:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Obviously professional gun shooters can shoot guns quickly and accurately, but that average mass murderer is not a professional or professionally trained shooter.

It isnt that hard to replace a mag in most rifles.

  • 12.26.2012 8:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Obviously professional gun shooters can shoot guns quickly and accurately, but that average mass murderer is not a professional or professionally trained shooter.


It doesn't take a lot of practice...

  • 12.26.2012 8:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If you don't need something for hunting or self defense or sport, you should not be allowed to have it. The amount of bullets a gun can shoot before you reload (whether that's a clip, a magazine, what have you) should be limited to about 10. If you're hunting, and you fire off 10 rounds, you either hit or did not hit whatever you were trying to hit. If you didn't hit it, it's probably run off. If you did hit it, good job. Either way, it's time for you to reload. This would limit the amount of damage any given gunman would be able to do to a crowd of people (as that's the point of gun restrictions: to help with gun crime).

If that restriction alone is put in place, along with restrictions to people who have people with mental illnesses living in their home and/or on the mentally ill themselves (determined via a federally-regulated test), I think the violent gun crime rate would go down drastically. Or, at the very least, the amount of people killed in the incidents could go down. Everything else (collapsable stock, pistol grip, scope, etc.) don't actually assist someone in the killing of another human unless they've got a sniper rifle in which case holy -blam!- how the -blam!- did that man get a sniper rifle remove that man's sniper rifle.

TL;DR: "Assault Weapon" criteria are dumb. Amount of bullets in a magazine/clip/gun is a legitimate argument to have though.


You do know that magazine size makes no difference what so ever. Be it a 10 round mag, a 20 STANAG, 30 PMAG, or 100 round BETA C. The speed at which you can drop a mag and reload is pretty fast for anyone who is anything close to familiar with firearms.

Did you know that the Aurora shooter had a hundred round beta mag, which jammed after a few rounds and he reverted to his shotgun and handguns?
Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

  • 12.26.2012 8:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Obviously professional gun shooters can shoot guns quickly and accurately, but that average mass murderer is not a professional or professionally trained shooter.


it quite literally takes half a second to drop a mag. Use all your ammo, bolt locks back, you press your magazine release, the magazine drops, you lock a new one in, and release the bolt.

A inexperienced shooter can do it fast.

  • 12.26.2012 8:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

Did you know that no matter how many laws you make, criminals will break them?

  • 12.26.2012 8:32 PM PDT

If you pull the trigger and HOLD IT and it fires more than one bullet it's an assault weapon. Done.

  • 12.26.2012 8:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Opt1mu5Pr1m3 15
If you pull the trigger and HOLD IT and it fires more than one bullet it's an assault weapon. Done.

pump shotguns are assault weapons?

  • 12.26.2012 8:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

Did you know that no matter how many laws you make, criminals will break them?
Did you know the Newtown shooter used only legally owned and registered guns?

  • 12.26.2012 8:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

Did you know that no matter how many laws you make, criminals will break them?
Did you know the Newtown shooter used only legally owned and registered guns?

Did you know that he stole them from their owner?

So he obtained them illegally.

  • 12.26.2012 8:35 PM PDT

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: A Forum Cop
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

Did you know that no matter how many laws you make, criminals will break them?
Did you know the Newtown shooter used only legally owned and registered guns?
He stole them from his mother. Theft is illegal.

  • 12.26.2012 8:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

Did you know that no matter how many laws you make, criminals will break them?
Did you know the Newtown shooter used only legally owned and registered guns?

Did you know that he stole them from their owner?

So he obtained them illegally.
That point is clearly irrelevant. If restrictions are put in place, you can't obtain what isn't manufactured.

  • 12.26.2012 8:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

That point is clearly irrelevant. If restrictions are put in place, you can't obtain what isn't manufactured.

Yeah, you're totally right. These restrictions will shut down weapons manufacturing in other countries and the black market.

my point: with these regulations only criminals will have assault weapons.



[Edited on 12.26.2012 8:40 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 8:39 PM PDT

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: A Forum Cop
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Posted by: A Forum Cop
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Did you know that restrictions on guns is not all that I put in my post?

Did you know that no matter how many laws you make, criminals will break them?
Did you know the Newtown shooter used only legally owned and registered guns?

Did you know that he stole them from their owner?

So he obtained them illegally.
That point is clearly irrelevant. If restrictions are put in place, you can't obtain what isn't manufactured.
As we said already, magazine limits will only slow down a shooter by about a second.

When millions of standard capacity magazines are already in circulation, there isn't much we can do about it, even if it had any effect.

  • 12.26.2012 8:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

That point is clearly irrelevant. If restrictions are put in place, you can't obtain what isn't manufactured.

Yeah, you're totally right. These restrictions will shut down weapons manufacturing in other countries and the black market.

Illegally bought weapons clearly would not be legally owned and registered as the Newtown shooter's mother's guns were. Your point is still laughably irrelevant.

  • 12.26.2012 8:40 PM PDT
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  • 12.26.2012 8:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: destroys u
As we said already, magazine limits will only slow down a shooter by about a second.

When millions of standard capacity magazines are already in circulation, there isn't much we can do about it, even if it had any effect.
How many guns are still around from the 1800s? Early 20th Century? 20s? Clearly this is not about "enact this law and starting tomorrow no more school shootings I promise".

  • 12.26.2012 8:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

That point is clearly irrelevant. If restrictions are put in place, you can't obtain what isn't manufactured.

Yeah, you're totally right. These restrictions will shut down weapons manufacturing in other countries and the black market.

Illegally bought weapons clearly would not be legally owned and registered as the Newtown shooter's mother's guns were. Your point is still laughably irrelevant.

Oh, the weapons he uses have a piece of paper that goes along with them. SO MUCH WORSE D:

  • 12.26.2012 8:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: A Forum Cop

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

That point is clearly irrelevant. If restrictions are put in place, you can't obtain what isn't manufactured.

Yeah, you're totally right. These restrictions will shut down weapons manufacturing in other countries and the black market.

Illegally bought weapons clearly would not be legally owned and registered as the Newtown shooter's mother's guns were. Your point is still laughably irrelevant.

Oh, the weapons he uses have a piece of paper that goes along with them. SO MUCH WORSE D:
My point: the guns he used were legally owned and registered.

Your point: But what if they were ILLEGAL?!

You have done nothing to address that original point.

  • 12.26.2012 8:44 PM PDT