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Subject: Lets discuss rifles and the term, "Assault Weapon."

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Bottom line:
Guns have many uses. But the 2nd amendment is to provide citizens the means to fight back against a tyrannical govt, which we have, but nobody's fightin back.
So technically we really do "need" assault rifles. But hey, who wants to be first to volunteer to gun down the IRS agent? Not me. So it doesn't really matter.
We are all cowards. We'll take our bondage, so long as peace prevails.
North Korea: pretty peaceful over there.

  • 12.26.2012 10:25 PM PDT


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay. Allow everyone to buy unregistered AK-47s. Even felons who've committed violent crime. They don't deserve to die, right? Of course not. Give everyone AK-47s. All of them. Actually, what if someone gets a rocket launcher? Give everyone rocket launchers.


Once again, another pointless argument that literally has nothing to do with what we are discussing. I like how you called me out on ad hominem and then do it one worse a few posts later. This whole ordeal with guns is a bunch of ad hominem.

  • 12.26.2012 10:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay, if you're a professional gun shooter who professionally shoots guns in competition, you can have semi-automatic guns to be better than your competition.


Ok, if someone breaks into my home with AK-47s why should I be limited to weapons that are far less inefficient then what they have? Why should I be at a disadvantage because you don't like the prospect of me being on equal footing with a potential threat?
Okay. Allow everyone to buy unregistered AK-47s. Even felons who've committed violent crime. They don't deserve to die, right? Of course not. Give everyone AK-47s. All of them. Actually, what if someone gets a rocket launcher? Give everyone rocket launchers.


I believe sir, you just committed the slippery slope fallacy.

Here is the thing. Criminals intent will do what they can to make their job more effective and profitable. They have not, and will not abide by any gun law on the books. So, why punish people who don't want to cause trouble for the actions of people who don't care anyway?

Ok, I have two firearms my self. Neither of which are semiautomatic. I have a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a Remington 870 Express shotgun in 12 gauge.

Now, I can defend my home with my Mosin Nagant, but due to it's length it is not practical due to it's length of around 48 inches, and could be argued as dangerous due to the power of the cartridge.

Now Ideally, I would be defending my home with my shotgun. I have it loaded up with 00 buck shot, and it is under my bed right now. Now, I have a 28' barrel, which will also make room clearing fairly difficult.

Now if I had a 18' AR-15, I could clear the house quickly, effectively and safely. I have better control over the rifle, and I can use it to fire consecutive shots if I had to.

If someone breaks in to my house with semiautomatic weapons, why should I be on lower ground than they are? Why should I be at a disadvantage? Why should my life be at risk because you simple do not agree with the thought of civilians having semiautomatic rifles?

  • 12.26.2012 10:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Guns are designed to kill.
To which you replied:

Posted by: AK 47625714
Guns are designed to deliver a projectile of varying caliber over various distances to a target.
With the implication that guns were not designed to kill or injure another living creature.
How do you figure? I simply stated what guns are designed to do, which is to "deliver a projectile of varying caliber over various distances to a target."

  • 12.26.2012 10:29 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.


Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay, if you're a professional gun shooter who professionally shoots guns in competition, you can have semi-automatic guns to be better than your competition.


Ok, if someone breaks into my home with AK-47s why should I be limited to weapons that are far less inefficient then what they have? Why should I be at a disadvantage because you don't like the prospect of me being on equal footing with a potential threat?
Okay. Allow everyone to buy unregistered AK-47s. Even felons who've committed violent crime. They don't deserve to die, right? Of course not. Give everyone AK-47s. All of them. Actually, what if someone gets a rocket launcher? Give everyone rocket launchers.


I believe sir, you just committed the slippery slope fallacy.

Here is the thing. Criminals intent will do what they can to make their job more effective and profitable. They have not, and will not abide by any gun law on the books. So, why punish people who don't want to cause trouble for the actions of people who don't care anyway?

Ok, I have two firearms my self. Neither of which are semiautomatic. I have a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a Remington 870 Express shotgun in 12 gauge.

Now, I can defend my home with my Mosin Nagant, but due to it's length it is not practical due to it's length of around 48 inches, and could be argued as dangerous due to the power of the cartridge.

Now Ideally, I would be defending my home with my shotgun. I have it loaded up with 00 buck shot, and it is under my bed right now. Now, I have a 28' barrel, which will also make room clearing fairly difficult.

Now if I had a 18' AR-15, I could clear the house quickly, effectively and safely. I have better control over the rifle, and I can use it to fire consecutive shots if I had to.

If someone breaks in to my house with semiautomatic weapons, why should I be on lower ground than they are? Why should I be at a disadvantage? Why should my life be at risk because you simple do not agree with the thought of civilians having semiautomatic rifles?
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.

  • 12.26.2012 10:31 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Guns are designed to kill.
To which you replied:

Posted by: AK 47625714
Guns are designed to deliver a projectile of varying caliber over various distances to a target.
With the implication that guns were not designed to kill or injure another living creature.
How do you figure? I simply stated what guns are designed to do, which is to "deliver a projectile of varying caliber over various distances to a target."
Were cars designed to spin its tires and move? Nope, they were designed for transportation.

  • 12.26.2012 10:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.

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  • 12.26.2012 10:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay, if you're a professional gun shooter who professionally shoots guns in competition, you can have semi-automatic guns to be better than your competition.


Ok, if someone breaks into my home with AK-47s why should I be limited to weapons that are far less inefficient then what they have? Why should I be at a disadvantage because you don't like the prospect of me being on equal footing with a potential threat?
Okay. Allow everyone to buy unregistered AK-47s. Even felons who've committed violent crime. They don't deserve to die, right? Of course not. Give everyone AK-47s. All of them. Actually, what if someone gets a rocket launcher? Give everyone rocket launchers.


I believe sir, you just committed the slippery slope fallacy.

Here is the thing. Criminals intent will do what they can to make their job more effective and profitable. They have not, and will not abide by any gun law on the books. So, why punish people who don't want to cause trouble for the actions of people who don't care anyway?

Ok, I have two firearms my self. Neither of which are semiautomatic. I have a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and a Remington 870 Express shotgun in 12 gauge.

Now, I can defend my home with my Mosin Nagant, but due to it's length it is not practical due to it's length of around 48 inches, and could be argued as dangerous due to the power of the cartridge.

Now Ideally, I would be defending my home with my shotgun. I have it loaded up with 00 buck shot, and it is under my bed right now. Now, I have a 28' barrel, which will also make room clearing fairly difficult.

Now if I had a 18' AR-15, I could clear the house quickly, effectively and safely. I have better control over the rifle, and I can use it to fire consecutive shots if I had to.

If someone breaks in to my house with semiautomatic weapons, why should I be on lower ground than they are? Why should I be at a disadvantage? Why should my life be at risk because you simple do not agree with the thought of civilians having semiautomatic rifles?
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


Well, apart from it being hypothetical, in a sense.

I applaud your resolve in living in your sheltered fantasy world. When those men with AK-47s do kick in your door, I would be curious to see how you react. See if your resolve saves you from being tied down, or beaten while the rest of the crew ransacks your home.

We've had way to many close calls here to simply ignore the problem. We've had vehicle break ins, our house was cased, a house a few doors down from us was broken into.

But seriously, enjoy your fantasy world of rainbows and unicorns frolicking in fields of daisies and tulips. It sounds like a grand place.

  • 12.26.2012 10:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Guns are designed to kill.
To which you replied:

Posted by: AK 47625714
Guns are designed to deliver a projectile of varying caliber over various distances to a target.
With the implication that guns were not designed to kill or injure another living creature.
How do you figure? I simply stated what guns are designed to do, which is to "deliver a projectile of varying caliber over various distances to a target."
You used that statement to counter Snipe's statement that guns are designed to kill people. By countering to that statement you are saying that the statement is wrong, and that your statement instead is the correct one.

By countering Snipe's statement, you were saying that guns are not designed to kill, but instead are for "delivering projectiles", which is a false statement.

  • 12.26.2012 10:36 PM PDT

Yay yuh!!!!!

Posted by: Godshatter
I tried to read that but gun stuff is sooooo damn boring.

Guns = tools for the weak.


So do knifes = tools for the average?

  • 12.26.2012 10:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.

  • 12.26.2012 10:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.


Some places the wait is up to 30 minutes.

The police are not there to stop crime anyway, they are there to investigate, and then give evidence to the DA so they can prosecute.

Supreme Court ruled that the Police have no constitutional duty to protect you.

  • 12.26.2012 10:40 PM PDT

Posted by: SpartanMk18
If someone breaks in to my house with semiautomatic weapons, why should I be on lower ground than they are? Why should I be at a disadvantage? Why should my life be at risk because you simple do not agree with the thought of civilians having semiautomatic rifles?
You're absolutely correct. Buy a minigun.

...but what if someone breaks into your house and they have a minigun with them?!?

This is like Bugs and Elmer in The Rabbit of Seville, where they both try to one-up each other with axes, pistols, shotguns, and cannons. 6:25.

  • 12.26.2012 10:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garshne
You used that statement to counter Snipe's statement that guns are designed to kill people. By countering to that statement you are saying that the statement is wrong, and that your statement instead is the correct one.
Okay.

By countering Snipe's statement, you were saying that guns are not designed to kill, but instead are for "delivering projectiles", which is a false statement.It's not a false statement. Guns are designed to discharge a projectile. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is nothing false about that statement.

  • 12.26.2012 10:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: SpartanMk18
If someone breaks in to my house with semiautomatic weapons, why should I be on lower ground than they are? Why should I be at a disadvantage? Why should my life be at risk because you simple do not agree with the thought of civilians having semiautomatic rifles?
You're absolutely correct. Buy a minigun.

...but what if someone breaks into your house and they have a minigun with them?!?

This is like Bugs and Elmer in The Rabbit of Seville, where they both try to one-up each other with axes, pistols, shotguns, and cannons. 6:25.


What a moronic reply.

  • 12.26.2012 10:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: SpartanMk18

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Then is a piston with an extended barrel, a forward grip, and a stock considered an assault weapon?

Or the saiga-12,spas-15? Or other semi-auto shotguns?


I know shotguns follow similar limits as rifles, pistols I'm not sure about.

Because a piston with a stock can technically be considered a rifle.



I'm fairly sure cartridge size matters more than weapons size in classifying it.


Not true, it's how you file your 4473 with the ATF.

If you have a rifle with an overall length of less than 16 inches, you have two choices. Choice A, pay your 200 dollar tax stamp and register it as a Short Barrel rifle or B. Register it as a pistol and remove the stock.

SBR
pistol

Same cartridge, different classification.
err no. 26"OAL 16" barrel for rifles. 18 barrel for shotguns.

to be pistol cannot accept stock.

a foregrip means you need an AOW registration(surprisingly, the only NFA item type California allows is AOW)

and they can flip flop a lot on decisions but there was a letter posted on arfcom that the Mako MWG and AFG were good to go.

  • 12.26.2012 10:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: SpartanMk18
If someone breaks in to my house with semiautomatic weapons, why should I be on lower ground than they are? Why should I be at a disadvantage? Why should my life be at risk because you simple do not agree with the thought of civilians having semiautomatic rifles?
You're absolutely correct. Buy a minigun.

...but what if someone breaks into your house and they have a minigun with them?!?

This is like Bugs and Elmer in The Rabbit of Seville, where they both try to one-up each other with axes, pistols, shotguns, and cannons. 6:25.


Again with the slippery slope.

Assuming that a criminal somehow obtained the money and ammunition for a mini-gun, I think it would be safe to say that we have bigger problems then a bunch of dangerous hooligans breaking into my home.

At that point, we would have to address why the country has broken down into anarchy and why super humans are breaking into people's homes armed with very heavy mini-guns.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.


Some places the wait is up to 30 minutes.

The police are not there to stop crime anyway, they are there to investigate, and then give evidence to the DA so they can prosecute.

Supreme Court ruled that the Police have no constitutional duty to protect you.
I'm speechless.

What kind of a country do you live in where the government has absolved itself for its responsibility to protect you?

  • 12.26.2012 10:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Garshne
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.


Not even a valid argument since it wouldn't even take five minutes to kill you, but I'll address it anyways.

If you expect them to actually arrive in less than ten minutes with the time it takes to call the police, get redirected to your own county, explain the situation, and finally have a force dispatched to your location then you are crazy; and I have actually called the police before. I know how it works. Expecting police to show up before you are dead is living in a fantasy world more than expecting someone to attempt murdering you.

  • 12.26.2012 10:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.


Some places the wait is up to 30 minutes.

The police are not there to stop crime anyway, they are there to investigate, and then give evidence to the DA so they can prosecute.

Supreme Court ruled that the Police have no constitutional duty to protect you.
I'm speechless.

What kind of a country do you live in where the government has absolved itself for its responsibility to protect you?

Do you honestly believe that your government gives a crap about you?

  • 12.26.2012 10:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: Garshne
You used that statement to counter Snipe's statement that guns are designed to kill people. By countering to that statement you are saying that the statement is wrong, and that your statement instead is the correct one.
Okay.

By countering Snipe's statement, you were saying that guns are not designed to kill, but instead are for "delivering projectiles", which is a false statement.It's not a false statement. Guns are designed to discharge a projectile. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is nothing false about that statement.
Except that you stated that with the implication that the launched projectile is not to injure or kill a living being, when indeed it is.

You said something stupid and now you're denying everything.

  • 12.26.2012 10:47 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay, if you're a professional gun shooter who professionally shoots guns in competition, you can have semi-automatic guns to be better than your competition.


Ok, if someone breaks into my home with AK-47s why should I be limited to weapons that are far less inefficient then what they have? Why should I be at a disadvantage because you don't like the prospect of me being on equal footing with a potential threat?
Okay. Allow everyone to buy unregistered AK-47s. Even felons who've committed violent crime. They don't deserve to die, right? Of course not. Give everyone AK-47s. All of them. Actually, what if someone gets a rocket launcher? Give everyone rocket launchers.


I believe sir, you just committed the slippery slope fallacy.


Ok... Remove the Rocket Launcher. It is no longer a slippery slope fallacy, because if someone is on equal footing with an AK-47, they must have an AK-47.

  • 12.26.2012 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Okay, if you're a professional gun shooter who professionally shoots guns in competition, you can have semi-automatic guns to be better than your competition.


Ok, if someone breaks into my home with AK-47s why should I be limited to weapons that are far less inefficient then what they have? Why should I be at a disadvantage because you don't like the prospect of me being on equal footing with a potential threat?
Okay. Allow everyone to buy unregistered AK-47s. Even felons who've committed violent crime. They don't deserve to die, right? Of course not. Give everyone AK-47s. All of them. Actually, what if someone gets a rocket launcher? Give everyone rocket launchers.


I believe sir, you just committed the slippery slope fallacy.


Ok... Remove the Rocket Launcher. It is no longer a slippery slope fallacy, because if someone is on equal footing with an AK-47, they must have an AK-47.


Equal footing being just about any semiautomatic rifle. From Granddad's old M1 Carbine he brought back from the war, to an Springfield M1A Battle Rifle, to an AR-15. All will put you on equal footing to that AK they have.

  • 12.26.2012 10:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Potato Joe
Do you honestly believe that your government gives a crap about you?
Yeah, because that's their -blam!- job!

At least, in the rest of the world, where we're sane.

  • 12.26.2012 10:49 PM PDT