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Subject: Lets discuss rifles and the term, "Assault Weapon."

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Posted by: Kadoozy

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: Sev808
I just separate civilian grade and military grade, there's the line right there.


So the line being Automatic?


That's all it should be.
and just why would that be? since 1934 there have only been 5 crimes committed with a legally owned and registered MG, two of which were a single incident of murder suicide by police officers.

and by the way, tangent here, but most police actually don't know hardly anything about guns or gun laws, other than what they need to qualify on their weapons annually.

  • 12.26.2012 11:19 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.


This statement is pure ignorance. I can only hope this is a troll post.

Actually both of your guys' posts about the police are pretty ignorant.

[Edited on 12.26.2012 11:25 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 11:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: Garshne
So why have police at all?


To provide evidence for the DA so they can make a case and prosecute.


This. And to handle disputes of other matters as well. If you expect them to save you, you will die.
So many people are getting shot in Australia because our police never saves them, right?

It's a -blam!- warzone over here, I tell ya.

I can hear some shooting now. Must be the local gangs -blam!- around again.

Better put on my combat webbing and grab my F88, looks like the criminal army is heading this way.

Because the police do NOTHING, right?

  • 12.26.2012 11:19 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Assuming both are semi-automatic, yes. The handgun may be even more so in that case simply due to the mobility it allows that can't be achieved with an AK-47, even with the stock collapsed. Magazine capacity is a non-factor because extended magazines are not hard to come by. Some handguns even come with 30-round mags.
I thought it was clear we were talking about an automatic AK-47.

  • 12.26.2012 11:22 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Assuming both are semi-automatic, yes. The handgun may be even more so in that case simply due to the mobility it allows that can't be achieved with an AK-47, even with the stock collapsed. Magazine capacity is a non-factor because extended magazines are not hard to come by. Some handguns even come with 30-round mags.
I thought it was clear we were talking about an automatic AK-47.


I joined the conversation late, but it still doesn't matter because handguns can be automatic.

  • 12.26.2012 11:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
Assuming both are semi-automatic, yes. The handgun may be even more so in that case simply due to the mobility it allows that can't be achieved with an AK-47, even with the stock collapsed. Magazine capacity is a non-factor because extended magazines are not hard to come by. Some handguns even come with 30-round mags.
Since when has an AKM had a collapsible stock?

  • 12.26.2012 11:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: Garshne
So why have police at all?


To provide evidence for the DA so they can make a case and prosecute.


This. And to handle disputes of other matters as well. If you expect them to save you, you will die.
So many people are getting shot in Australia because our police never saves them, right?

It's a -blam!- warzone over here, I tell ya.

I can hear some shooting now. Must be the local gangs -blam!- around again.

Better put on my combat webbing and grab my F88, looks like the criminal army is heading this way.

Because the police do NOTHING, right?

If someone breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife how are you going to have time for the police to save you, let alone even call the police before you are attacked?

[Edited on 12.26.2012 11:25 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 11:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kadoozy

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Keep living in your fantasy world, in which everyone is out to get you and you must spend thousands of dollars to ensure that you are safe.

I don't own a gun and I never will. But don't worry, I'll let you know when those bad guys with AK-47s come kicking my door down. I sounds ridiculous even repeating it.


How do you know he doesn't live in a crime ridden neighborhood? Go live in Detroit or Flint or east Saginaw Michigan right now. Id love for you to not change your position then. Oh, but you have your 15-minutes-away police call handy! I'm sure they'll wait to attempt your murder until the police arrive.
If the police are15 minutes away there is a problem with your police force.
A problem that we need to fix INSTEAD of arming the populous.

But wait, I forgot. "There's absolutely no solution to gun crime apart from buying a gun"

That was a close one, I almost forgot about the lies the NRA tells me to spread.


See: my reply to that post. You will never get the police to arrive before someone can kill you. Ever. End of story.
Hostage situation? Not all bad guys shoot on sight.

  • 12.26.2012 11:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Kadoozy
Posted by: SpartanMk18
Posted by: Garshne
So why have police at all?


To provide evidence for the DA so they can make a case and prosecute.


This. And to handle disputes of other matters as well. If you expect them to save you, you will die.
So many people are getting shot in Australia because our police never saves them, right?

It's a -blam!- warzone over here, I tell ya.

I can hear some shooting now. Must be the local gangs -blam!- around again.

Better put on my combat webbing and grab my F88, looks like the criminal army is heading this way.

Because the police do NOTHING, right?

If someone breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife how are you going to have time for the police to save you, let alone even call the police before you are attacked?
In close quarters, a knife will win against a gun, even if the shooter is waiting anxiously with the gun in his holster.

  • 12.26.2012 11:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Kadoozy
And what part of that means not buying them? People, criminals, all over the US sell arms illegally. Implying other criminals steal every single weapon they use is pure ignorance. It shows that you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Because, AFAIK, criminals (along with some other classes of people) under the 1968 Gun Control Act are not permitted to purchase or possess a firearm.

If that's incorrect, please, educate me. You seem to have all the answers.

  • 12.26.2012 11:27 PM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: The Ruckus 2010
Assuming both are semi-automatic, yes. The handgun may be even more so in that case simply due to the mobility it allows that can't be achieved with an AK-47, even with the stock collapsed. Magazine capacity is a non-factor because extended magazines are not hard to come by. Some handguns even come with 30-round mags.
Since when has an AKM had a collapsible stock?


I don't know what an AKM is, but since we're talking about AK-47s-

Collapsible
Folding

The profile of the AK-47 can be lessened to better support CQC.

[Edited on 12.26.2012 11:30 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 11:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Potato Joe
If someone breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife how are you going to have time for the police to save you, let alone even call the police before you are attacked?
A thief isn't going to break into my house while I'm there, though, especially if they only have a knife, which is usually the case.

Of course, if someone attacks you hand to hand you can defend yourself from that attack if you have some knowledge in martial arts/have your trusty cricket bat.

Of course, that point is moot because all the criminals in Australia have AKMs, because Australia has gun laws.

  • 12.26.2012 11:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Kadoozy
And what part of that means not buying them? People, criminals, all over the US sell arms illegally. Implying other criminals steal every single weapon they use is pure ignorance. It shows that you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Because, AFAIK, criminals (along with some other classes of people) under the 1968 Gun Control Act are not permitted to purchase or possess a firearm.

If that's incorrect, please, educate me. You seem to have all the answers.


What are you saying? Just because they are not permitted does not mean they follow the law.

  • 12.26.2012 11:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Potato Joe
If someone breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife how are you going to have time for the police to save you, let alone even call the police before you are attacked?
A thief isn't going to break into my house while I'm there, though, especially if they only have a knife, which is usually the case.

Of course, if someone attacks you hand to hand you can defend yourself from that attack if you have some knowledge in martial arts/have your trusty cricket bat.

Of course, that point is moot because all the criminals in Australia have AKMs, because Australia has gun laws.

I like how you just pulled out a straw man. I asked how the police could save you because earlier you argued that they save people in Australia.

  • 12.26.2012 11:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Kadoozy
And what part of that means not buying them? People, criminals, all over the US sell arms illegally. Implying other criminals steal every single weapon they use is pure ignorance. It shows that you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Because, AFAIK, criminals (along with some other classes of people) under the 1968 Gun Control Act are not permitted to purchase or possess a firearm.

If that's incorrect, please, educate me. You seem to have all the answers.


What are you saying? Just because they are not permitted does not mean they follow the law.
"They get them from the black market" is a cop out. You don't have to know anything about the black market, only that there is one.

Well here's a fun fact about the black market: They don't sell guns to everybody. Most of them are probably run by crime organizations, that the FBI and ATF are already cracking down on. The last thing they need is for a murder weapon to be traced back to them.

  • 12.26.2012 11:34 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Kadoozy
People, criminals, all over the US sell arms illegally.

If that's incorrect, please, educate me. You seem to have all the answers.


What I just underlined in my original post.

Try to stay with me here:

There are criminals that already possess illegal guns.

They sell their illegal guns to other criminals; usually someone in their gang or if they know them well enough or maybe even if they just want to make some easy money.

Now the new criminals have guns too that they paid for.

So what was your point again?

  • 12.26.2012 11:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Kadoozy
And what part of that means not buying them? People, criminals, all over the US sell arms illegally. Implying other criminals steal every single weapon they use is pure ignorance. It shows that you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Because, AFAIK, criminals (along with some other classes of people) under the 1968 Gun Control Act are not permitted to purchase or possess a firearm.

If that's incorrect, please, educate me. You seem to have all the answers.


What are you saying? Just because they are not permitted does not mean they follow the law.
"They get them from the black market" is a cop out. You don't have to know anything about the black market, only that there is one.

Well here's a fun fact about the black market: They don't sell guns to everybody. Most of them are probably run by crime organizations, that the FBI and ATF are already cracking down on. The last thing they need is for a murder weapon to be traced back to them.

Again with the straw man. Where in my post did I mention the "black market". Oh wait, I didn't. I just stated that just because it is law does not mean people will follow it. Speeding is illegal, but that doesn't stop people from doing it every single day. Same thing with drugs.


Many criminals steal firearms anyways.


[Edited on 12.26.2012 11:38 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 11:37 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

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Posted by: Garshne
And that projectile is to do what, hammer nails?

>YFW there are actually blank cartridge powered nailguns for use on steel and concrete.

  • 12.26.2012 11:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24



I have met someone in real life that bought an illegal pistol from some guy on the street. They don't have to be a part of some big "black market" to own illegal weapons. They can steal them and then sell them to random people if they get the opportunity to.

  • 12.26.2012 11:39 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: The Ruckus 2010

Assuming both are semi-automatic, yes. The handgun may be even more so in that case simply due to the mobility it allows that can't be achieved with an AK-47, even with the stock collapsed. Magazine capacity is a non-factor because extended magazines are not hard to come by. Some handguns even come with 30-round mags.
I thought it was clear we were talking about an automatic AK-47.


I joined the conversation late, but it still doesn't matter because handguns can be automatic.
Not legally they can't be.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Potato Joe
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Potato Joe
If someone breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife how are you going to have time for the police to save you, let alone even call the police before you are attacked?
A thief isn't going to break into my house while I'm there, though, especially if they only have a knife, which is usually the case.

Of course, if someone attacks you hand to hand you can defend yourself from that attack if you have some knowledge in martial arts/have your trusty cricket bat.

Of course, that point is moot because all the criminals in Australia have AKMs, because Australia has gun laws.

I like how you just pulled out a straw man. I asked how the police could save you because earlier you argued that they save people in Australia.
In the situation that you described, where the criminal is already upon me before I realised he was there, it is hopeless, yes. He'll murderise me into bloody bits because that's what criminals do.

The police, then, will catch that criminal before he does it to anyone else.

If, however, the criminal is not out to turn me into a pulp of human remains, and I realise there's someone skulking around my house (because I keep my -blam!- doors and windows locked) then I will have enough time to grab my phone (which is on me at all times, yay mobiles), dial triple zero, tell the operator "holy -blam!- holy -blam!- there's a robber in my house" and the police will be there within five minutes. Since the robber isn't out to turn me into people soup, I'll tell him I've already called the police, and he'll bugger off like the scared little opportunist he is. Police arrive two minutes after he runs off, I point out the direction that the robber went and the dog squad will go after him (because the dog squad is on patrol all night here in Australia). I then give my statement with a description of the criminal and whatever happened, the police radios (what sophisticated technology) his buddies the details, they track down the guy and arrest him for breaking and entering, then they go and do the same thing for whatever else happens that night.

I'm alive, the criminal is arrested, and the police are awesome.

  • 12.26.2012 11:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kadoozy

Posted by: Gruntzilla24



I have met someone in real life that bought an illegal pistol from some guy on the street. They don't have to be a part of some big "black market" to own illegal weapons. They can steal them and then sell them to random people if they get the opportunity to.
You need new friends.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

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Posted by: Garshne
And that projectile is to do what, hammer nails?

>YFW there are actually blank cartridge powered nailguns for use on steel and concrete.
oh god what

oh god lmao

  • 12.26.2012 11:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Potato Joe
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Potato Joe
If someone breaks into your house and comes at you with a knife how are you going to have time for the police to save you, let alone even call the police before you are attacked?
A thief isn't going to break into my house while I'm there, though, especially if they only have a knife, which is usually the case.

Of course, if someone attacks you hand to hand you can defend yourself from that attack if you have some knowledge in martial arts/have your trusty cricket bat.

Of course, that point is moot because all the criminals in Australia have AKMs, because Australia has gun laws.

I like how you just pulled out a straw man. I asked how the police could save you because earlier you argued that they save people in Australia.
In the situation that you described, where the criminal is already upon me before I realised he was there, it is hopeless, yes. He'll murderise me into bloody bits because that's what criminals do.

The police, then, will catch that criminal before he does it to anyone else.

If, however, the criminal is not out to turn me into a pulp of human remains, and I realise there's someone skulking around my house (because I keep my -blam!- doors and windows locked) then I will have enough time to grab my phone (which is on me at all times, yay mobiles), dial triple zero, tell the operator "holy -blam!- holy -blam!- there's a robber in my house" and the police will be there within five minutes. Since the robber isn't out to turn me into people soup, I'll tell him I've already called the police, and he'll bugger off like the scared little opportunist he is. Police arrive two minutes after he runs off, I point out the direction that the robber went and the dog squad will go after him (because the dog squad is on patrol all night here in Australia). I then give my statement with a description of the criminal and whatever happened, the police radios (what sophisticated technology) his buddies the details, they track down the guy and arrest him for breaking and entering, then they go and do the same thing for whatever else happens that night.

I'm alive, the criminal is arrested, and the police are awesome.
This! Finally. Some common knowledge.

BTW five minutes is only for rural areas. In my town, cops can be at my house in less than a minute.

  • 12.26.2012 11:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Kadoozy

Posted by: Gruntzilla24



I have met someone in real life that bought an illegal pistol from some guy on the street. They don't have to be a part of some big "black market" to own illegal weapons. They can steal them and then sell them to random people if they get the opportunity to.
You need new friends.


I don't associate with him anymore, though that doesn't change the fact that he was easily able to walk out and buy one illegally.

  • 12.26.2012 11:43 PM PDT