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Subject: Do you believe in evolution?

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Posted by: werdnaz

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I find it odd that you have so many issues with his arguments, yet the theory of evolution has no scientific competition.

I do because I believe evolution is false. Mankind should not pursue an idea that is wrong simply because all other ideas are also considered to be wrong
Then what do you believe is the truth, and what scientific evidence do you have to support it?

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: werdnaz

Posted by: MadMax888
I find it odd that you have so many issues with his arguments, yet the theory of evolution has no scientific competition.

I do because I believe evolution is false. Mankind should not pursue an idea that is wrong simply because all other ideas are also considered to be wrong
Then what do you believe is the truth, and what scientific evidence do you have to support it?

I believe in God but creationism is just a fable. I do not have a belief in how the universe was created, however I know that it is neither creationism or evolution due to their flaws

  • 12.26.2012 11:59 PM PDT

I believe in a combination of evolution and creationism. Problem?

  • 12.27.2012 12:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: RockdaleRooster
I believe in a combination of evolution and creationism. Problem?

No problem. That is one of the few things that are feasable and daily I am more inclined to believe that.

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  • 12.27.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: werdnaz

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: werdnaz

Posted by: MadMax888
I find it odd that you have so many issues with his arguments, yet the theory of evolution has no scientific competition.

I do because I believe evolution is false. Mankind should not pursue an idea that is wrong simply because all other ideas are also considered to be wrong
Then what do you believe is the truth, and what scientific evidence do you have to support it?

I believe in God but creationism is just a fable. I do not have a belief in how the universe was created, however I know that it is neither creationism or evolution due to their flaws
None of that is scientific evidence that supports your claim.

  • 12.27.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: werdnaz
What you've demonstrated in this thread is advocacy of misunderstanding of evolutionary science and pure ignorance. You persistently assume that the theory of evolution has flaws that it simply doesn't have, and you yourself do not have a stance on the development of life on Earth based on any form of evidence.

  • 12.27.2012 12:07 AM PDT

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The whole "I don't understand it, therefore it's false" mentality in this thread is mind-numbingly retarded.

  • 12.27.2012 12:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: FIREBALL1999
Report and move on people. This may turn into a Flame War.
Only if people turn it into a flame war on purpose.

OT: Yes, it's the most accurate and believable theory at the moment.

  • 12.27.2012 12:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: werdnaz

You state that man is ape however evolutionary supporters also state that ape became another species before becoming man.
"Ape" is not a species. It is a clade comprising of two families that includes many species, both extant and extinct. "Ape" did not "become" anything. This is a gross misunderstanding of how evolution works. Instead, extinct species that we classify as apes underwent speciation events, producing many lineages of ape that include those of modern humans and our (now-extinct) hominid and hominin ancestors and relatives. Talking about what "ape" did as if it were a single entity is entirely nonsensical from a scientific standpoint.Ape did not just suddenly become man,Indeed, and not just for the reasons I stated above. Evolutionary theory would not support anything "suddenly becoming" anything else. Again, this is indicative of a gross misunderstanding of evolution. Apes underwent evolution into many intermediate species before becoming man.Oh, yay! We're getting somewhere! This statement is pretty much true. Just be sure you understand that by "apes" you should mean extinct ape common ancestors. These evolutionary advances would have taken so many years to occur that if a race that evolved was not fit to survive, it would not have had the time to reproduce to allow evolution.Umm... I guess. This is kinda restating the definition of evolutionary fitness, but okay. Any intermediate species which had to occur would need to still be alive today if evolution occured.Why do you assert this? This is just blatantly untrue, and that should be readily apparent to anybody who thinks about. A species would not be an "intermediate" if it was still alive, would it?

Any race that is required to evolve cannot be fit to survive.Lol. This is simply untrue. Evolution is inherent to life, fit or not. Survival of the fittest would not allow apes to survive and only man would exist.Why do you assume this? Your counterargument is flawed because it is based on your belief that evolution is true.That belief is based on empirical fact, so it makes sense to argue from it. If you are going to discredit all arguments based in fact, then I have no desire to continue this conversation.

You state that it takes generations of breeding with the original species to produce a difference within a race so that the mutation will either completely change the species, so that all apes must become man,No. This is not true. Evolution isn't a ladder. It's more like a tree. Humans and other extant (and extinct) apes branched off from an ape common ancestor, so it is quite possible for a single evolutionary ancestor to yield multiple species further down its evolutionary lineage. This is consistent with what evolution predicts. By your logic evolution cannot occur over barriers over barriers of reproduction, so if man were descended from ape, we should be able to still breed with them.I seriously do not understand what your point is here. We cannot breed with other species of apes because we have since evolved to be too different.

Furthermore, the possibilities for a single race to undergo a single mutation is small but nowhere near as small as the chance that several members of that species all undergo the same mutation and are capable of breeding with each other.Good thing that that's not what evolution requires, then. Only one individual need experience a mutation for it to be passed on to further generations.

I honestly cannot continue this conversation because your understanding of evolution, genetics, and science is so poor that your arguments are based in assumptions that cannot be tritely addressed. So here is a crash course in evolution that should correct your completely misguided view of how evolution works:

We start with one species, A. A lives in an area where there is both dry, open grassland and thick, dark forest. Within A's population, there are three colors of skin: black (possessed by population B), light grey (possessed by population G), and spotted (S). These two phenotypes were caused by a point mutation in a single base pair many generations ago, in a single individual. At the time, the mutation was neutral, so it spread throughout the population. Black and Grey are co-dominant, meaning that when a B individual and a G individual mate, their offspring will be likely to have spotted skins.

Now, over time, a new species came into A's range and began to prey upon it, and A began to rely on camouflage to avoid predation. B individuals are well-suited for the forest, where their dark coats help them blend in. G individuals, however, stick out in the forest because of their lighter coating, meaning that they get eaten if they go to the forest quite frequently. In the field, however, G individuals blend in and B individuals do not. S individuals, however, stick out in both environments, and are usually killed off.

Over time, B individuals will become more and more contained to the forest (as any who leave will likely be killed), and the same will happen to G individuals, who will tend to stay in the grass. S individuals will almost entirely disappear, and over time the frequency of the G allele in both the forest and field populations of A will decrease so much that it begins to fall entirely out of existence.

At this point, B individuals are only in the forest and G individuals are only in the field, and they only mate with each other. Over many generations, their geographical seclusion will cause their populations to experience different genetic drift in different ways, meaning that aspects of each species not necessarily related to survival, or related to survival differently, will advance differently in each species.

After ten thousand generations of this geographic isolation, that predator dies off, meaning that A no longer has any predation to worry about. The G and B are now free to interbreed again without fearing for their lives, except for one thing: the thousands of generations spent apart have meant that the two species are so genetically different that they can no longer interbreed. G and B are no longer different populations, now; they are entirely different species with a common ancestor at A. Neither G nor B could reproduce with an original member of A if one were alive today.

Now, let me ask you some questions: which species was more "fit": B or G? Could you pinpoint the first B individual, or the first G? At what exact point did the speciation occur? At what point did A die out?

Now, imagine this on a scale of billions of years with an entire planet to work with and much more complex selection forces and genetics mechanics. Then you have the evolutionary history of earthly life.


Once you understand how evolution works, you will understand that the questions like those you have are silly and meaningless. If you continue to reply with meaningless misinterpretations or misapplications of evolutionary theory, you will be told so. I will not, however, go further out of my way to correct your ignorance on elementary principles of the most central idea of all biology. Read a book, watch an educational video, or take a biology course if you want a better explanation.


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Posted by: NewRadical12

I applaud your dedication to these threads.

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  • 12.27.2012 12:48 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: NewRadical12

I applaud your dedication to these threads.

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Theres more to ''believe'' in evolution than in the religious equilavent.

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  • 12.27.2012 2:08 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

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Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
It's not something to believe in, either you accept facts or stay ignorant. That's as blunt as it gets, I'm sorry.

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I disagree, as most people do.

Firstly, if we evolved from "mammals", then why did people not evolve from fish as well? And birds? And Squids?

Secondly, why do monkeys still live if we do as well. Dont they get jealous, and try to evolve as well?

How come monkeys turn into humans, but humans cant turn into monkeys?

Why did God lie about the Garden of Eden?

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Posted by: Rabid Grunt 3
I disagree, as most people do.

Firstly, if we evolved from "mammals", then why did people not evolve from fish as well? And birds? And Squids?

Secondly, why do monkeys still live if we do as well. Dont they get jealous, and try to evolve as well?

How come monkeys turn into humans, but humans cant turn into monkeys?

Why did God lie about the Garden of Eden?

I hope you're being sarcastic.

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My response

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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.

I don't believe in evolution as much as I believe in gravity. It's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact.

Why do you need to get a flu shot every year? Because it EVOLVES.

I don't BELIEVE IN evolution, I understand it.

Anyone who doesn't 'believe' evolution is either ignorant, stupid, or insane.

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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.


Posted by: Rabid Grunt 3

How come monkeys turn into humans, but humans cant turn into monkeys?


This right here proves you don't understand a thing about evolution. Anyone who asks this question shows outright that they don't understand evolution at all.

How about before you dismiss a scientific fact backed with over 150 years of peer reviewed data, you learn what evolution is, REALLY?

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Posted by: A Blind Wolf

How about before you dismiss a scientific fact backed with over 150 years of peer reviewed data, you learn what evolution is, REALLY?


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  • 12.27.2012 2:42 AM PDT

if evolution is right, then why are there still apes?
huh?? huh??
u mad??

everything else 1-0 evolution

  • 12.27.2012 2:43 AM PDT

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Evolution is the reason you need a new flu vaccination every year.

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