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Subject: Why can't Halo be this again

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  • 12.26.2012 11:36 PM PDT

Why Bungie, why would you do this?! - Halo Community


Posted by: thisguyCAMEO

Posted by: Dark Hunter 2100

Posted by: thisguyCAMEO
because its not 2005? idk.

when you strip down Halo 4 like what they did with Slayer Pro in 4 you have a really solid experience.


Its really broken actually. The lack of map weapon spawns and lack of respawning power weapons causes maps to stagnate.


well i mean, yeah a few things are there to ruin its potential. but its kind of over reacting when people talk like its to far gone to be fixed. i would enjoy even infinity slayer if it wasnt for the boltshot and broken ordinance


Oh, of course. Unlike Reach, H4's core sandbox has a ton of potential. However, 343 has tendency to never fix the broken, and in turn fix whats working.

  • 12.26.2012 11:37 PM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

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  • 12.26.2012 11:37 PM PDT

Why Bungie, why would you do this?! - Halo Community


Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
This is funny. Watching you halo 2 fanboys lose your -blam!-. Ill tell you the truth. You're all nostalgic and living in the past. Things change, get over it and stop crying.[/quote]I'm pretty indifferent about Halo 2, and let me tell you, out of all the people in this thread, you seem to be losing your -blam!- the most.[/quote]

And let me tell you Im only saying the truth. Im perfectly calm right now. Had a nice christmas, for what reason would I be mad? [/quote]*Glances at your most recent posts*

Clearly you are upset or have some sort of Vendetta against competitive players.[/quote]

Ill say it again. Im not mad. You ignore the truth so you can call me out and say Im mad. Im not. Halo 2 fans really are nostalgic. If halo 2 went up online again it would never have that same magic feeling it had when you played it during its release.
Your truth is based on pure spectulation and is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. The OP is asking why modern Halo can't be more like Halo 2, that can occur without it being an exact clone of Halo 2. Halo 4 has moved from Halo's foundation in a variety of areas, and makes it harder to create a competitive experience with it.


And its like I said(How many times have I posted this sentence?), even if it does that, you'll never have that awesome feeling you felt while playing halo 2 in its golden age. Why? Because nostalgia.
And as I said, that's entirely irrelevant to the conversation.


You're right and I respect your opinion.


XBC is still fun though?

  • 12.26.2012 11:40 PM PDT
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I guess I meant to say Halo 2 in general is point and shoot while chucking grenades across the map.

Sure you did. Now, how come even though it was just a point and shoot type game (all Halos considered) you managed to be so bad at them?

How do you know I'm bad at them? and which Halo games specifically?


As if I need to explain... And any of them. They all have the same core mechanics. So if Halo 2 was as easy as just pointing and shooting, then by your logic, they are all just as easy.

Well, yes, you do need to explain otherwise I'm just going to assume you don't know what you're talking about. no proof = nobody believing you.


~20% win ratio in Halo 3 with negative K/D in ranked and social.
35% win ratio in Reach and barely positive K/D despite half of your games being played in Living Dead.

But honestly there was no need to look up your stats. After I read your first couple of posts I already knew you did not have any skill at Halo (nor desired any), therefore making your opinion on a competitive based game obsolete.

[Edited on 12.26.2012 11:42 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2012 11:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Dark Hunter 2100

Posted by: thisguyCAMEO

Posted by: Dark Hunter 2100

Posted by: thisguyCAMEO
because its not 2005? idk.

when you strip down Halo 4 like what they did with Slayer Pro in 4 you have a really solid experience.


Its really broken actually. The lack of map weapon spawns and lack of respawning power weapons causes maps to stagnate.


well i mean, yeah a few things are there to ruin its potential. but its kind of over reacting when people talk like its to far gone to be fixed. i would enjoy even infinity slayer if it wasnt for the boltshot and broken ordinance


Oh, of course. Unlike Reach, H4's core sandbox has a ton of potential. However, 343 has tendency to never fix the broken, and in turn fix whats working.


completely agree with the core sandbox part!

its funny we had a floodian gentz conversation just now and it was so hard for the previous to do just that. I bid you...good night, sir!

  • 12.26.2012 11:40 PM PDT

Just stating this little know fact again, Halo 4 == Halo 2.

  • 12.26.2012 11:40 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
And its like I said(How many times have I posted this sentence?), even if it does that, you'll never have that awesome feeling you felt while playing halo 2 in its golden age. Why? Because nostalgia.


Hmmm..... I'm not wholly convinced by this. On one hand I found CEA to be an absolute farce, an absolute shameless money-grabbing joke by 343. On the other hand..... if a new Halo game were made that stripped the game back to its core Halo 1 roots then I would buy it and I would enjoy it. I imagine commercially doing something like this would be suicidal and I expect it to never happen.....

....but one can hope.


See what Im saying. If we're talking campaign only, CEA shouldve been great. They only touched up the graphics and didnt touch the classic gameplay it had. Dont like the new visuals or music? Then you can play with classic settings and graphics. But you didnt enjoy it as much as you did years ago did you?
Went full retard there.

  • 12.26.2012 11:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Kadoozy


Hey all of you Halo 2 was a joke pre AND post patch is was so hopeless even bungie admitted it was broken.

At its time Halo 2 was the most hated, most casual game in the gaming community period and occupied the role MW2 fills in gaming culture today.

The only reason Halo 2 survived for MLG is because of glitches- a mistake in the game that dramatically increased the skill gap (the same way SC:BW's bad UI made it harder to play).

This kid, while he may be 13, is actually right and probably knows more about Halo 2 than you butthurt fanboys who played it when they were 9 or so and concluded it was the pinacle of gaming.

  • 12.26.2012 11:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
And its like I said(How many times have I posted this sentence?), even if it does that, you'll never have that awesome feeling you felt while playing halo 2 in its golden age. Why? Because nostalgia.


Hmmm..... I'm not wholly convinced by this. On one hand I found CEA to be an absolute farce, an absolute shameless money-grabbing joke by 343. On the other hand..... if a new Halo game were made that stripped the game back to its core Halo 1 roots then I would buy it and I would enjoy it. I imagine commercially doing something like this would be suicidal and I expect it to never happen.....

....but one can hope.


See what Im saying. If we're talking campaign only, CEA shouldve been great. They only touched up the graphics and didnt touch the classic gameplay it had. Dont like the new visuals or music? Then you can play with classic settings and graphics. But you didnt enjoy it as much as you did years ago did you?



I do see what you're saying yeah. Personally I loved playing CEA on the old settings........ but hated it intensely with the new bright super-happy-fun colour mode and the cutting of corners. My point was that I'd rather just go back to H1 and play it, there was no need for this horrid cash-in version. It just made me feel like an chump for forking out cash for a game I already own. If 343i re-release H2 under the same sort of standard as CEA then that would suck massively.

It's all about the execution I think. Shamelessly copying and selling it again just doesn't work for me, see Ragnarok and even Blackout, but at the same time I hate seeing Halo lose its focus and become..... blurred and full of gimmicks.

If a new Halo game was released with new graphics, a new storyline but with gameplay that was stripped of all the junk and pointless toys and gadgets and was brought back in line with H1 or even H2 then I would like it and I would be happy. I'm actually a graphic designer in real life and there is a basic design principle that I adhere to; Keep It Simple Stupid. KISS. That's what Halo was about when it was released and that's whats missing in H4.

Too much bloat, too much flashing lights and shiny things and no focus, no simple design.

  • 12.26.2012 11:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
A real test of a man is if he is willing to scrape a sharpened razor up and down his junk just to please a woman.

That was a really unimpressive game, honestly.

  • 12.26.2012 11:46 PM PDT

Because console shooters were never meant to be super competitive.

  • 12.26.2012 11:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
And its like I said(How many times have I posted this sentence?), even if it does that, you'll never have that awesome feeling you felt while playing halo 2 in its golden age. Why? Because nostalgia.


Hmmm..... I'm not wholly convinced by this. On one hand I found CEA to be an absolute farce, an absolute shameless money-grabbing joke by 343. On the other hand..... if a new Halo game were made that stripped the game back to its core Halo 1 roots then I would buy it and I would enjoy it. I imagine commercially doing something like this would be suicidal and I expect it to never happen.....

....but one can hope.


See what Im saying. If we're talking campaign only, CEA shouldve been great. They only touched up the graphics and didnt touch the classic gameplay it had. Dont like the new visuals or music? Then you can play with classic settings and graphics. But you didnt enjoy it as much as you did years ago did you?



Yeah, cause I already bought CE, why would I buy it again with some updated graphics and tiny hands Chief.

To be honest, the first time I played Halo 2 I hated it. I didn't like it one bit. Do you wanna know why? Cause I was bad at it. In fact I've noticed that people bad at Halo 2/3 don't like those games because they aren't good at them. I actually went to Halo 2 over XBC and it's great! I even go to Halo 3 as my main Halo game.

Also Conner, your over-reacting. Your calling people names because their opinion differs from yours.

  • 12.26.2012 11:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Flipfox22
Because console shooters were never meant to be super competitive.
Such nonsense. The initial intent doesn't matter, do you think that the creators of Pong imagined that the industry that they helped found would be responsible for weaving stories that are as masterful as anything found in book or cinema?

If console shooters have the potential to be competitive, then why should they not be allowed to reach that potential?

  • 12.26.2012 11:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Flipfox22
Because console shooters were never meant to be super competitive.
Such nonsense. The initial intent doesn't matter, do you think that the creators of Pong imagined that the industry that they helped found would be responsible for weaving stories that are as masterful as anything found in book or cinema?

If console shooters have the potential to be competitive, then why should they not be allowed to reach that potential?


Halo 2 was never supposed to have a quadshot.

I think he meant it like that.

  • 12.27.2012 12:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: Flipfox22
Because console shooters were never meant to be super competitive.

They were, but the nature of them has changed with the times.

  • 12.27.2012 12:16 AM PDT
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People use nostalgia as a means of explaining why others like older things, whilst they themselves do not. Humhp! Personal preference, not nostalgia. Contrary to what every advertising campaign may have you believe, old things can still be useful, fun and good. This close-minded mentality that they're not is harbored by the industry though, because it boasts every sequel to be better than the original. If for whatever reason you don't like the new thing it'll often brand you as living in the past, being a nostalgic fool.

Halo 2 is still a fun game. I doubt the franchise will ever produce another game of that caliber, because that gameplay isn't what's trending, and it takes tremendous courage (and a risk-happy financial backer) to try something that goes against the trend. It's far safer to copy what's already popular, and put your own twist on it. That's how we got Halo 4.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 12:19 AM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 12:18 AM PDT

Name's John. I'm a 21-year-old firefighter/EMT from lolhio who doubles as a die-hard Halo fan. I've been enjoying the franchise since 2001. My favorite iteration of Halo would have to be Halo 2 simply because I never got to experience the joy of a full-on Halo: CE LAN.


If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Oh yeah, and boot Zome.


Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
And its like I said(How many times have I posted this sentence?), even if it does that, you'll never have that awesome feeling you felt while playing halo 2 in its golden age. Why? Because nostalgia.


Hmmm..... I'm not wholly convinced by this. On one hand I found CEA to be an absolute farce, an absolute shameless money-grabbing joke by 343. On the other hand..... if a new Halo game were made that stripped the game back to its core Halo 1 roots then I would buy it and I would enjoy it. I imagine commercially doing something like this would be suicidal and I expect it to never happen.....

....but one can hope.


See what Im saying. If we're talking campaign only, CEA shouldve been great. They only touched up the graphics and didnt touch the classic gameplay it had. Dont like the new visuals or music? Then you can play with classic settings and graphics. But you didnt enjoy it as much as you did years ago did you?



I did enjoy it just as much as I did when I first played in 2001... when I switched to classic view. I found it hard to enjoy the updated view when I would shoot a rocket from behind a tree or rock and kill myself because 343 didn't reskin the environment properly so in the original version the actual border of aforementioned tree or rock extended past what was shown as the border in the updated version. So in a way, they kind of did inadvertently touch the gameplay, if only by a little.

  • 12.27.2012 12:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
A real test of a man is if he is willing to scrape a sharpened razor up and down his junk just to please a woman.


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Posted by: Flipfox22
Because console shooters were never meant to be super competitive.

They were, but the nature of them has changed with the times.
Um, no, Halo was popular because MICROSOFT sold it to a casual audience to make the XBOX not flop. The movement speed in CE is slow and the game has a ton of aim assist. Halo was never meant to be competative.

  • 12.27.2012 1:03 AM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos
If console shooters have the potential to be competitive, then why should they not be allowed to reach that potential?

I don't doubt a competitive console shooter could be made. There's just not enough interest or money in it for that to happen. I don't expect to see a shootmania on Xbox anytime soon is what I'm saying.

  • 12.27.2012 1:03 AM PDT

Allons-y!

I'm glad it's not MLGCRAZYBALLSLOL1242352420SWAGS.

But I'm also disappointed that it's turned to what unamounting garbage that is Halo 4.

  • 12.27.2012 1:09 AM PDT