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Subject: I think master chief likes 343 more than bungie...

No u

Well he kind of has to to talk to make the story progress, and it made for an emotional connection between him and Cortana. Seriously guys, Chief is progressing as a character and you're whining about how he talks too much? Come on.

  • 12.27.2012 11:51 AM PDT

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Lol at the people actually complaining about characterisation.

Do you want your protagonist to be a lifeless arid brick with no personality at all?

If so, then you're probably best to stick to multiplayer, and stay out of the single player territory.

  • 12.27.2012 11:55 AM PDT

Pass the controller bro


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
Lol at the people actually complaining about characterisation.

Sometimes it isn't really necessary. Not all characters benefit from it the same way.

you're probably best to stick to multiplayer, and stay out of the single player territory.
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  • 12.27.2012 12:03 PM PDT

signatures are for fa- wait

Do you guys even think of something called "Character Development"

  • 12.27.2012 12:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: masterdrone
Sometimes it isn't really necessary. Not all characters benefit from it the same way.

What's the point in any sort of characterisation if the protagonist is just a lifeless construct? There's no emotional investment and it detracts from the overall quality of the story.

It kind of worked for Halo 1-3, but that's only because it's saving grace was the other supporting characters (Thel in particular) and awesome gameplay.

I'm glad 343 is actually trying to change things up with Chief. It's a step in the right direction

  • 12.27.2012 12:10 PM PDT

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I liked Chief more in Halo 4 then in any previous game. I actually felt we got to know him, and his true feelings for Cortana. In previous Halo games I loved Chief, but he was basically a voiceless Super Solider that just beat the crap out of Aliens. In Halo 4 hes an actual person, and I enjoyed his character development.

  • 12.27.2012 12:15 PM PDT

Pass the controller bro


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Posted by: masterdrone
Sometimes it isn't really necessary. Not all characters benefit from it the same way.

What's the point in any sort of characterisation if the protagonist is just a lifeless construct? There's no emotional investment and it detracts from the overall quality of the story.

It kind of worked for Halo 1-3, but that's only because it's saving grace was the other supporting characters (Thel in particular) and awesome gameplay.

I'm glad 343 is actually trying to change things up with Chief. It's a step in the right direction

Read my post on page 2. Before you mention the books, the books were different. You can't have books without text.

  • 12.27.2012 12:24 PM PDT
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He's the only one.

  • 12.27.2012 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: l Latsu15 l
He spouts pointless inferred diologe in Halo 4. I'd rather him not speak at all.
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OT: 343 doesn't fully understands the Chiefs character.


And what makes you, or anyone here who has had no experience working on the Halo series, so informed and understanding about John as a character?

Oh yeah, nothing... It's nothing but arrogant pub gossip.

I believe Bungie wrote 117 sort of emotionless and quiet on purpose, because it allowed the player to use his imagination on what he's thinking in any given situation. Sure, he had this certain locked path in what he says and what his stance on some things are, but most of it was free for you to interpret. 343i may be in charge, but that doesn't mean they "understand" Chief's character. They just wrote their own interpretation of him reacting to his surroundings and the situations he's put in Halo 4. That said, I can't say I found anything disagreeable in what they did with the Master Chief. It all made sense for the most part.

I do think he became a lot more uninteresting as a character, however. He's just not that enigmatic anymore, nor does he make you think as much about him. It's all kind of spoon-fed now. They might as well take his helmet off, because it won't make any difference.

tl;dr

while john's character in halo 4 had much more depth than before, he also lost nearly everything that made him so intriguing in the first place.

in other words, you don't have to be a writer in the Halo series to understand the Chief's character.

but uhh, I guess Halo 4 changes that huh.

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Bungie let go of that concept when the books were coming out. Why would we be filling in the chief's character when there are like four novels adding depth to chief's character? If you want that, play halo reach as noble six.

the books had been released simultaneously alongside and during the Halo games from 1-3. They didn't let go of anything at any point, because Halo games by Bungie after H3 did not feature Master Chief. It was 343i who let go of that concept, not Bungie.

As for Halo: Reach, I didn't enjoy that game. Largely because it was just boring (to sum it up in one word) and secondly, because it was a prequel. From the beginning I knew the end and thus did not care for the characters. Their stereotypes really didn't help either.

  • 12.27.2012 1:38 PM PDT

If I ever see anyone post in a thread "That's your opinion", I immediately lose all respect for them.

Also, if you're discussing a topic with me and you resort to name calling, pull "life checks", or just call anything you don't agree with retarded without giving legitimate reasons, don't expect me to take you serious in anyway what so ever.

At times I think that he should have remained the quiet type, but then others I'm glad that 343 didn't follow Bungie's cliche silent and strong main character archtype.

Now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure destiny's main character will be the same.

  • 12.27.2012 1:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Mythical Wolf
He's better off a mute. Feels like he's a child that needs to be told everything.

  • 12.27.2012 1:45 PM PDT

Marley: next time try to be a little for inconspicuous.
John: What do you mean?
Marley: John, we grow lots of gear, right?
John: Yeah loads...
Marley: So try not to come back with a wasted girl and a packet of fertilizer!

My problem was that he said some kinda stupid things at times when it seemed pretty obvious what was happening. Then at times when everything was exploding around him at the same time he was completely content to just let Cortana do the talking and not ask a single follow-up question or actually say something before she did.

Second, there's a technique used in writing and film called 'le non dit'. Non-literally translated this means 'what isn't said'. This technique is used a lot in breaking bad and basically it means that characters are speaking without moving their lips, communicating everything with their body language, facial expression and where they're looking.

Granted, the chief effectively doesn't have a face and body language is minimal it should still be pretty easy to get across what he's thinking.

  • 12.27.2012 2:52 PM PDT

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  • 12.27.2012 2:54 PM PDT

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That's not Master Chief, that's an aberration from a bad studio.

  • 12.27.2012 3:13 PM PDT

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