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Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.


Except that not all guns are made to kill . Most are made with hunting animals in mind, and others are made to shoot targets, like clay pigeons, and wood, and some for specifically home defense in mind; not killing people, but defending yourself. Few firearms out of the many thousands that exist, are made with the sole purpose of killing someone. A thousand types of Military Weapons? Thousands more were not made with that purpose in mind. All have the potential to be used as a killing tool, but whether or not it is actually used to that degree is the question.

And even then, if their purpose is to kill people, then what kind of people? Good people? Bad people? Anybody?

Depends on who the user wants to drop. So even if their purpose is to kill, its not usually with malicious, or criminal intent.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 1:08 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 1:07 AM PDT


Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.


A gun is purchased legally for self defense and for sportsmanship of many varieties. When it is purchased legally and used legally a guns purpose is to protect not to kill. Only when purchased and used illegally does the purpose of that weapon become anything more.

  • 12.28.2012 1:08 AM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

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Posted by: crispychicken49I'd be more afraid of the criminal with an Armalite-15 than the criminal with a KA-BAR.
o_o good lord man, are yeh daft?

have ye' not being payin' attention to this thread?

Criminals really aren't using the ARs. it's cheapo small handguns in weak calibers that they specialize in. hence why the AWB is useless. please educate yourself. it is not hard, we are not trying to spin "our side" or any lies. only spreading facts. hell we even collected them in this thread for easy viewing.

ignoring them facts doesn't further your position. only makes you look less mature and more childish. kinda like mr morgan's attacks on anyone he disagrees with.

it's not the trained average joe you have to fear. it's the criminals.
Where did I say that criminals were buying AR-15s? Way to put words in my mouth.

If there were two doors in front of me, and I had to go through either one, and one had a guy with a gun behind it who wants to shoot me, and the other had a guy with a knife behind it who wants to stab me, I would ten times out of ten go for the door with a guy with a knife behind it. That's what I was saying.

  • 12.28.2012 1:31 AM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.


A gun is purchased legally for self defense and for sportsmanship of many varieties. When it is purchased legally and used legally a guns purpose is to protect not to kill. Only when purchased and used illegally does the purpose of that weapon become anything more.
So the original muskets invented in the 1500s were invented for use as a tool for propelling a projectile at a paper target?

Oh well, gee, I didn't know that. I guess that over the last half millennia we've been misusing guns all the time!

  • 12.28.2012 1:35 AM PDT


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.


A gun is purchased legally for self defense and for sportsmanship of many varieties. When it is purchased legally and used legally a guns purpose is to protect not to kill. Only when purchased and used illegally does the purpose of that weapon become anything more.
So the original muskets invented in the 1500s were invented for use as a tool for propelling a projectile at a paper target?

Oh well, gee, I didn't know that. I guess that over the last half millennia we've been misusing guns all the time!


Actually a gun purchased in the 1500s was most definitely a tool of survival. It would have been used to hunt and defend. These days fortunately for us we now have the option to buy meat for our survival.

Also target practice would have been a necessity back then as survival depends on your ability to hit the food you are shooting at

[Edited on 12.28.2012 1:48 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 1:44 AM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

-Gandalf

You know if this whole gun control bull-blam!- really becomes such a problem and people lose their guns because of one prick, then by all means, we're all going to be screwed.

  • 12.28.2012 1:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: ErranInfigo
Point is, all tools have the potential of misuse by the user.
Except a gun being used to kill isn't misuse. It's what it's supposed to do, what it was made for.


A gun is purchased legally for self defense and for sportsmanship of many varieties. When it is purchased legally and used legally a guns purpose is to protect not to kill. Only when purchased and used illegally does the purpose of that weapon become anything more.
So the original muskets invented in the 1500s were invented for use as a tool for propelling a projectile at a paper target?

Oh well, gee, I didn't know that. I guess that over the last half millennia we've been misusing guns all the time!


Actually a gun purchased in the 1500s was most definitely a tool of survival. It would have been used to hunt and defend. These days fortunately for us we now have the option to buy meat for our survival.

Also target practice would have been a necessity back then as survival depends on your ability to hit the food you are shooting at
Are... Are you... did you just really...?

No... that... no... why...

My brain. y u do dis?

Do you... do you know anything about the history of firearms?

  • 12.28.2012 1:51 AM PDT

We are talking civilian here not military. Don't try to use crap from 500 years ago as an example.

  • 12.28.2012 1:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
We are talking civilian here not military. Don't try to use crap from 500 years ago as an example.
We are talking guns here.

You just said that the reason the -blam!- musket was invented was for hunting and you're accusing me of misinforming.

  • 12.28.2012 2:00 AM PDT


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
We are talking civilian here not military. Don't try to use crap from 500 years ago as an example.
We are talking guns here.

You just said that the reason the -blam!- musket was invented was for hunting and you're accusing me of misinforming.



No I said the civilian use of a firearm that long ago would have been survival pure and simple. We are talking about civilian gun laws as the are applied in the present and you bring up a gun that was invented for military use 500 years ago. I think you are the one who is Waugh off topic because we are not about to ban our military from using assault weapons. This entire topic is about a possible civilian aw ban. And the effects it is having on the gun market

  • 12.28.2012 2:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

One of you were stating that a gun's intended use was not as a weapon.

  • 12.28.2012 2:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me

  • 12.28.2012 2:13 AM PDT

I was saying when used legally a guns intended use is self defense and sportsmanship. You can't compare crap from 500 years ago on an entirely different continent to what is going on today.

  • 12.28.2012 2:15 AM PDT


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Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me

  • 12.28.2012 2:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: BooKooVooDoo
I was saying when used legally a guns intended use is self defense and sportsmanship. You can't compare crap from 500 years ago on an entirely different continent to what is going on today.
And yet the 2nd amendment was implemented 200 years ago and is supposed to apply today.

Yes you can use a gun in other applications, such as sport, hunting, etc.

The primary purpose of a gun unless otherwise manufactured is as a weapon, regardless. The purpose of a gun unless otherwise manufactured is to propel a projectile in order to injure a living thing, be it in hunting, civilian self-defence, criminal or military applications.

You can take this logic and apply it to a number of other weapons that are also used in sportsmanship. Examples of this are the bow and arrow, the sword and the rapier.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 2:24 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 2:24 AM PDT

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Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?


Because weapons are so easily accessible in America. Current criminals could have somebody else buy one for him.

Or they could be planning on committing a violent crime, and they can walk in and pick one out.

If guns laws were more strict, as in no guns for civilians then how does this future criminal obtain a firearm without connections to the underground?

Not very easily at all.

  • 12.28.2012 2:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: cameo_cream
Posted by: Potato Joe
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?


Because weapons are so easily accessible in America. Current criminals could have somebody else buy one for him.

Or they could be planning on committing a violent crime, and they can walk in and pick one out.

If guns laws were more strict, as in no guns for civilians then how does this future criminal obtain a firearm without connections to the underground?

Not very easily at all.
but all crimss hav connekshuns to the undegrund

  • 12.28.2012 2:26 AM PDT
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They should just make an HLG playlist then you guys can hide against each other and see how much fun it is.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
This 12 year old girl may have been the one headed to the hospital, or never seen again, if she had not been able to defend herself recently.

That's nice, gun laws saved one life. How about this, though?

  • 12.28.2012 2:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: cameo_cream
If guns laws were more strict, as in no guns for civilians then how does this future criminal obtain a firearm without connections to the underground?

Not very easily at all.
Interesting. How do you propose disarming the civilian population and confiscating every weapon?

There are a lot of guns, how do you account for every single one of them?

  • 12.28.2012 3:02 AM PDT

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  • 12.28.2012 3:05 AM PDT

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Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Killing is killing...and there's many different styles of killing.

I could kill somebody with a knife, a hammer, hell even my own two hands. Why don't we ban all of those as well since they can kill people?

  • 12.28.2012 3:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: AK 47625714
Posted by: cameo_cream
If guns laws were more strict, as in no guns for civilians then how does this future criminal obtain a firearm without connections to the underground?

Not very easily at all.
Interesting. How do you propose disarming the civilian population and confiscating every weapon?

There are a lot of guns, how do you account for every single one of them?
Buy them, sell them overseas, give them to the military... Actually, forget that last one.

  • 12.28.2012 3:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: TopWargamer
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Killing is killing...and there's many different styles of killing.

I could kill somebody with a knife, a hammer, hell even my own two hands. Why don't we ban all of those as well since they can kill people?
Is it easier to kill someone with all those things compared to a gun?

[Edited on 12.28.2012 3:26 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 3:25 AM PDT


Posted by: ErranInfigo
Hey look, facts.

extra stuff

When I actually gain the ability to buy a home defense weapon (money is my issue) I will buy one.


This is why arguing with people against gun controls is stupid... they try pull to a strawman, then attack said strawman.

By the way, the second video you linked is just some paranoid black guy, he's paranoid by the way he can say he isn't paranoid but believing you know the equivalent on a 9/11 is coming is paranoia, saying he wants to be able to fend off a small army. He says if it were up to him he'd like to have a fully automatic weapon. His opinion is worth jack -blam!-.

[Edited on 12.28.2012 4:03 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2012 4:02 AM PDT

The cake is a pie

Oh for goodness sake. The question is pretty simple. Will restricted gun control improve the situation at hand or not? If it will, DO IT, if it won't, DON'T.

  • 12.28.2012 4:11 AM PDT