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Subject: the run on the guns?


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: the panzie man

Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.


Moving costs more than a gun.
but it wont cost you your life.


Neither will owning a gun, necessarily. Many people own guns and die from other things.

Moving may cause somebody to die in a car accident.

Or, if people don't like firearms, they could move to a nation where they are already heavily regulated.
My point is that living in a safer city can nearly eliminate the need for a gun for defense. I'd rather live in a city without the worry of being robbed, than actually have to use my gun on someone.


Even the safest cities/neighborhoods can be the target of break-ins. Better safe than sorry right?

  • 12.27.2012 6:33 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: the panzie man

Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.


Moving costs more than a gun.
but it wont cost you your life.


Neither will owning a gun, necessarily. Many people own guns and die from other things.

Moving may cause somebody to die in a car accident.

Or, if people don't like firearms, they could move to a nation where they are already heavily regulated.
My point is that living in a safer city can nearly eliminate the need for a gun for defense. I'd rather live in a city without the worry of being robbed, than actually have to use my gun on someone.


I agree, but moving can sometimes be pretty difficult to do, especially when looking for a job. And moving just outside of a town or city has its disadvantages (being far away from 911, lack of light/surveilance, easy to get in and out of larger properties quickly after doing armed break-ins)


And no matter where you live, it is always good to have multiple layers of safety or protection.


[Edited on 12.27.2012 6:34 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888

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Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.


Moving costs more than a gun.
but it wont cost you your life.


Neither will owning a gun, necessarily. Many people own guns and die from other things.

Moving may cause somebody to die in a car accident.

Or, if people don't like firearms, they could move to a nation where they are already heavily regulated.
My point is that living in a safer city can nearly eliminate the need for a gun for defense. I'd rather live in a city without the worry of being robbed, than actually have to use my gun on someone.

And that's your opinion. Some people like to have guns whether they're in a safe place or not. That's just the way they think. It's not unreasonable to think that something still could happen even in relatively safe areas.

  • 12.27.2012 6:34 PM PDT
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One of my friends, who actually helped me with my CCW actually shot a man trying to rob them at a lawyers office...

My neighborhood doesn't normally have crime. People leave lawnmowers and bikes outside overnight because we don't really fear anyone is going to take them. Safe neighborhood? A house was broken into this summer here, and it was the armed husband that ran the two guys out.

Just because you live in a safe place doesn't mean it's always that way.

  • 12.27.2012 6:34 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: McGillicutty S69

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Someone breaks into my house, am I going to grab my ar-15 or my fnp-45?

Both are good, but I'll take the rifle over a handgun any day.

"The point of your side arm is to fight to your battle rifle."


AR-15 for home defense? lol
actually some good 75 grain+ MK.262 / OTMs like Hornady or SSA is pretty good out of an AR pistol or Short AR for home defense. you're not using low grain FMJs and long barrels.

AR-15:it works on squirrels, rabbits, small miscellaneous mammals, pigs, small to medium sized deer, humans, small elk.

any proper defensive load will Overpenetrate though your target. it's simply projectile physics. however good "HD" loads can minimize or reduce OP.


It could also go through walls and injure someone.
anything could do it. arrows could do it. blackpowder launched projectiles, pistol rounds shotgun projectiles rifles rounds your fists(drywall is brittle and easy to break, just gotta punch between the 2x4s).

fact of the matter is, a minimum of 12" of bullet penetration is recommended for all "HD" loads.

it's a risk associated with defense.

which is also why HD is not cutting the pie and other search and destroy vidya BS.

it's gather possible family in designated safe room, load guns, call cops and bunker down till cops arrive. if bad guys try to invade said room, let 'em have it. this is assuming you have castle law in your state.

all shotgun loads will OP. slugs definitely go through the house. buckshot? always OPs several rooms.

birdshot? not so bad but still would hit what's in the next room over.

  • 12.27.2012 6:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
really? NO. you still have to aim a shotgun as at HD distances, it's a solid fist side mass of lead.

for every foot travelled it's about 1" of spread.

most HD distances are between 3'-10'.

life ain't cawadoody or butterfed 3.
Yes, I know. I'm talking about just firing from the hip. Maybe it's different for other people, but I'm much better at punching holes in a target without aiming much with a shotgun than with a rifle. I prefer a shotgun for home defense because I'm not going to want to take the time to pull the gun up and put someone in my sights unless I have the time.

Plus, you don't have to worry much about the shots going through the walls and busting the neighbor's new tv.

  • 12.27.2012 6:38 PM PDT


Posted by: Recon Number 54

Posted by: Scottus4
It's possible, there could be 3 robbers that are all armed. A pistol won't be the best firearm to defend your home with in that situation.


****ing paranoia.

Most people don't ever have to deal with a break-in in their life in America. Let alone a home invasion, let alone a home invasion with 3 armed criminals. If a handgun isn't enough, you should take other measures to protect your home, like an alarm system (which is one of the most effective ways of deterring criminals from targeting your house in the first place), locks, or if you're that scared, maybe get some bars on your windows.

Most people? Perhaps. But no one is capable of predicting which group (lucky or not-lucky) they will remain in.

This 12 year old girl may have been the one headed to the hospital, or never seen again, if she had not been able to defend herself recently.

The choice of weapon, the decision of what steps to take to prevent, prepare or even train (most families don't practice fire escape drills for example) is a personal one. There is no "proper and adequate" solution.


It isn't personal at all. Because some people want to be able to fend off a small army, the rest of us have to deal with maniacs running around with weapons designed to fend off a small army.

I'm not saying guns as a whole should be banned. That's retarded and would never work. I do think that we could use tighter restriction on what is available though. That girl didn't need a 30 round rifle with penetrating rounds to defend herself, she fired one shot. I'm sure that in the majority of actual home invasions, 3 rounds or less are fired off (heck, I believe in most scenarios just pointing the gun at the criminal sends them running).

  • 12.27.2012 6:38 PM PDT

But being able to fend off a small army may be critical when a big entity overextends its power.

  • 12.27.2012 6:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.
In order for that to be any better, you would have to move to a place where everyone has no way of thinking for themselves or where everyone can attain what they want by just willing it. Crime exists everywhere.


Posted by: Scottus4
It isn't personal at all. Because some people want to be able to fend off a small army, the rest of us have to deal with maniacs running around with weapons designed to fend off a small army.

I'm not saying guns as a whole should be banned. That's retarded and would never work. I do think that we could use tighter restriction on what is available though. That girl didn't need a 30 round rifle with penetrating rounds to defend herself, she fired one shot. I'm sure that in the majority of actual home invasions, 3 rounds or less are fired off (heck, I believe in most scenarios just pointing the gun at the criminal sends them running).
That would only work if the "maniacs" acquired those guns through legal methods and went through a background check. This sums up anything else I could say about this, wow.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 6:45 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 6:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.
In order for that to be any better, you would have to move to a place where everyone has no way of thinking for themselves or where everyone can attain what they want by just willing it. Crime exists everywhere.
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.

  • 12.27.2012 6:41 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: AgentCOP1
That video is hilarious. So much win.
???

  • 12.27.2012 6:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheBrandingIron
But being able to fend off a small army may be critical when a big entity overextends its power.
Yeah, because that's going to happen...

If the military ever turned on its people, you don't stand a chance against attack helicopters, drone strikes, and tanks.

  • 12.27.2012 6:42 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron
But being able to fend off a small army may be critical when a big entity overextends its power.
Yeah, because that's going to happen...

If the military ever turned on its people, you don't stand a chance against attack helicopters, drone strikes, and tanks.


Doesn't mean that people who want to protect themselves for it shouldn't.

I am not one of those people, but if others want to plan for such things, let em.

  • 12.27.2012 6:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron
But being able to fend off a small army may be critical when a big entity overextends its power.
Yeah, because that's going to happen...

If the military ever turned on its people, you don't stand a chance against attack helicopters, drone strikes, and tanks.


Doesn't mean that people who want to protect themselves for it shouldn't.

I am not one of those people, but if others want to plan for such things, let em.

People who are so paranoid that the government will turn its military on them scare me.

  • 12.27.2012 6:45 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.
In order for that to be any better, you would have to move to a place where everyone has no way of thinking for themselves or where everyone can attain what they want by just willing it. Crime exists everywhere.
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.


Crime exists everywhere, so it is reasonable for others to feel that they NEED a gun no matter where they live.

  • 12.27.2012 6:45 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Scottus4

Posted by: Recon Number 54

Posted by: Scottus4
It's possible, there could be 3 robbers that are all armed. A pistol won't be the best firearm to defend your home with in that situation.


****ing paranoia.

Most people don't ever have to deal with a break-in in their life in America. Let alone a home invasion, let alone a home invasion with 3 armed criminals. If a handgun isn't enough, you should take other measures to protect your home, like an alarm system (which is one of the most effective ways of deterring criminals from targeting your house in the first place), locks, or if you're that scared, maybe get some bars on your windows.

Most people? Perhaps. But no one is capable of predicting which group (lucky or not-lucky) they will remain in.

This 12 year old girl may have been the one headed to the hospital, or never seen again, if she had not been able to defend herself recently.

The choice of weapon, the decision of what steps to take to prevent, prepare or even train (most families don't practice fire escape drills for example) is a personal one. There is no "proper and adequate" solution.


It isn't personal at all. Because some people want to be able to fend off a small army, the rest of us have to deal with maniacs running around with weapons designed to fend off a small army.

I'm not saying guns as a whole should be banned. That's retarded and would never work. I do think that we could use tighter restriction on what is available though. That girl didn't need a 30 round rifle with penetrating rounds to defend herself, she fired one shot. I'm sure that in the majority of actual home invasions, 3 rounds or less are fired off (heck, I believe in most scenarios just pointing the gun at the criminal sends them running).
so penalize the public at large for the actions of the few criminals?

please watch the vids in the OP.

  • 12.27.2012 6:46 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron
But being able to fend off a small army may be critical when a big entity overextends its power.
Yeah, because that's going to happen...

If the military ever turned on its people, you don't stand a chance against attack helicopters, drone strikes, and tanks.


Doesn't mean that people who want to protect themselves for it shouldn't.

I am not one of those people, but if others want to plan for such things, let em.

People who are so paranoid that the government will turn its military on them scare me.


They probably exist, but I wouldn't expect their numbers to be great.

  • 12.27.2012 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: AgentCOP1
That video is hilarious. So much win.
???

I mean that in a good way. Pretty much shows you how much our knucklehead politicians really know.

  • 12.27.2012 6:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.
In order for that to be any better, you would have to move to a place where everyone has no way of thinking for themselves or where everyone can attain what they want by just willing it. Crime exists everywhere.
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.


Crime exists everywhere, so it is reasonable for others to feel that they NEED a gun no matter where they live.
I don't know where you live where the daily threat of being attacked or robbed is looming over your head, but I assure you it isn't everywhere.

I live in the safest city in the US. I don't think I'll every buy a gun. I don't feel the need to have one in order to feel safe.

  • 12.27.2012 6:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: MadMax888
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.
Oh -blam!-, you're apparently a fortune teller who can tell that you're never going to be in an instance where an armed intruder comes into your home and threatens your family. My apologies.

Posted by: MadMax888
If the military ever turned on its people, you don't stand a chance against attack helicopters, drone strikes, and tanks.
Why would the military turn on its people? They're taught that they're not supposed to follow unethical orders. I would assume that "Shoot those citizens" is unethical. The "you can't fight the military" excuse is pathetic.

Posted by: MadMax888
I don't know where you live where the daily threat of being attacked or robbed is looming over your head, but I assure you it isn't everywhere.

I live in the safest city in the US. I don't think I'll every buy a gun. I don't feel the need to have one in order to feel safe.
The threat of being attacked or robbed is whenever you're near any person. The only way to escape the possibility would be to become a hermit and live on a deserted island. Even then, you'll have to hope that no one comes near you because you can't read their mind and discover if they have ill intent or not.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 6:53 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 6:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: MadMax888
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.
Oh -blam!-, you're apparently a fortune teller who can tell that you're never going to be in an instance where an armed intruder comes into your home and threatens your family. My apologies.
It's HIGHLY unlikely that such an occurrence would happen in my city.

Posted by: MadMax888
If the military ever turned on its people, you don't stand a chance against attack helicopters, drone strikes, and tanks.
Why would the military turn on its people? They're taught that they're not supposed to follow unethical orders. I would assume that "Shoot those citizens" is unethical. The "you can't fight the military" excuse is pathetic.
The entire Middle East debacle is unethical, yet we don't see soldiers saying "no" to their orders.

  • 12.27.2012 6:52 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.
In order for that to be any better, you would have to move to a place where everyone has no way of thinking for themselves or where everyone can attain what they want by just willing it. Crime exists everywhere.
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.


Crime exists everywhere, so it is reasonable for others to feel that they NEED a gun no matter where they live.
I don't know where you live where the daily threat of being attacked or robbed is looming over your head, but I assure you it isn't everywhere.

I live in the safest city in the US. I don't think I'll every buy a gun. I don't feel the need to have one in order to feel safe.


And if you don't feel like you need a gun and choose not to buy one, that's great because that is freedom. But others in the same city might still want weapons and should have them

I spent high school and JC in Stockton, CA. Not a nice city.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 6:53 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 6:52 PM PDT
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Now I'll admit, I'm not the best person to debate, but wasn't the point of the second amendment to stop people like Feinstein from doing what she's trying to do?

Side note: is it true she has a ccw?

  • 12.27.2012 6:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: TheBrandingIron

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: MadMax888
my rule of thumb: if you need a gun to feel safe at home, perhaps you should consider moving.
In order for that to be any better, you would have to move to a place where everyone has no way of thinking for themselves or where everyone can attain what they want by just willing it. Crime exists everywhere.
No -blam!- crime exists everywhere, but I'd much rather live somewhere where I don't NEED to have a gun in order to feel safe.


Crime exists everywhere, so it is reasonable for others to feel that they NEED a gun no matter where they live.
I don't know where you live where the daily threat of being attacked or robbed is looming over your head, but I assure you it isn't everywhere.

I live in the safest city in the US. I don't think I'll every buy a gun. I don't feel the need to have one in order to feel safe.

And that's like... totally your opinion bro.

News flash: not everyone thinks like you. Just because you feel safe doesn't mean everyone else will. I honestly don't how it's such a huge sacrilegious sin to own a gun for self-defense if needed. What is so wrong with being prepared?

  • 12.27.2012 6:53 PM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

Why not just ban guns like the rest of the world.

  • 12.27.2012 6:53 PM PDT