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Subject: the run on the guns?


Posted by: Sergeant omega

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Posted by: Scottus4
84% of weapons used are stolen from a law-biding citizen and then used, and that's an argument against gun control? Sheeeit son, we need to take a page from the Canadians and start legislating some minimum weapon storage measures. Bare minimum they should be under lock and key if they aren't on someone's person.

Man, 84%, that's insane. How is it that lax? You can legally get fingered up the *** by TSA at the airport but you can leave an Uzi laying out on your front porch? Let's use some common sense people!
So in order to keep the criminals from stealing guns, let's punish the legal gun owners by making it so they can't have guns to get stolen. Genius, let's take away guns from the criminals by taking guns away from people who did nothing wrong.

My house was broken into a long time ago, and the weapons that were held in a storage case were broken into and stolen. Now we have a safe that locks itself shut and can only be opened with a torch if someone tries to drill the lock. Know your -blam!- before you talk it. How do you know these people were just lying their guns around?



To extend on this point, requiring the most indestructible of gun storage cases is impracticle because they also need to be reasonably easy to access in a situation as a home invastion. What good is a firearm when it takes 5 minutes to open a gun safe?

Possible solution: Give a tax break to those who buy Biometric safes? They're only easy to get in if you're the person that's supposed to be using it.


Not a bad solution, but many safes are big, heavy, and not bedroom friendly due to their size (and things like ruining carpet).

  • 12.27.2012 7:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lethal Spaniard
that I can easily go to a gun show and buy half-priced from its already market price.
Not anymore you can't!

Gun shows already mark up their price because the FFLs have to transport stock, rent tables, pay workers to work at the tables, pack up, and return the stock back to their stores.


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Posted by: Sergeant omega

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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: Scottus4
84% of weapons used are stolen from a law-biding citizen and then used, and that's an argument against gun control? Sheeeit son, we need to take a page from the Canadians and start legislating some minimum weapon storage measures. Bare minimum they should be under lock and key if they aren't on someone's person.

Man, 84%, that's insane. How is it that lax? You can legally get fingered up the *** by TSA at the airport but you can leave an Uzi laying out on your front porch? Let's use some common sense people!
So in order to keep the criminals from stealing guns, let's punish the legal gun owners by making it so they can't have guns to get stolen. Genius, let's take away guns from the criminals by taking guns away from people who did nothing wrong.

My house was broken into a long time ago, and the weapons that were held in a storage case were broken into and stolen. Now we have a safe that locks itself shut and can only be opened with a torch if someone tries to drill the lock. Know your -blam!- before you talk it. How do you know these people were just lying their guns around?



To extend on this point, requiring the most indestructible of gun storage cases is impracticle because they also need to be reasonably easy to access in a situation as a home invastion. What good is a firearm when it takes 5 minutes to open a gun safe?

Possible solution: Give a tax break to those who buy Biometric safes? They're only easy to get in if you're the person that's supposed to be using it.


Not a bad solution, but many safes are big, heavy, and not bedroom friendly due to their size (and things like ruining carpet).

The reason I edited was because I looked and couldn't find any biometric rifle safes.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 7:25 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 7:24 PM PDT
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...does anyone else find it strange that the people trying to take away weapons are the ones that see themselves as an exception to the rule?

  • 12.27.2012 7:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Scottus4
That would only work if the "maniacs" acquired those guns through legal methods and went through a background check. This sums up anything else I could say about this, wow.

84% of weapons used are stolen from a law-biding citizen and then used, and that's an argument against gun control? Sheeeit son, we need to take a page from the Canadians and start legislating some minimum weapon storage measures. Bare minimum they should be under lock and key if they aren't on someone's person.

Man, 84%, that's insane. How is it that lax? You can legally get fingered up the *** by TSA at the airport but you can leave an Uzi laying out on your front porch? Let's use some common sense people!


Ha! I had the same thought.

That 84% tells me a lot about how responsible some gun owners are with their weapons, and it also tells me how effective those guns are at stopping (more like enticing) break-ins when their owners aren't around. Which, as far as I knew, home protection/break-in protection was a main reason why one owns a gun.

  • 12.27.2012 7:34 PM PDT

"Apparently people don't like the truth, but I do like it; I like it because it upsets a lot of people. If you show them enough times that their arguments are bull-blam!-, then maybe just once, one of them will say, 'Oh! Wait a minute I was wrong.' I live for that happening. Rare, I assure you."-Lemmy of Motorhead

i belive shhave funzes suppos

Yes, I'm the guy who had the Flood admit to being furries.

If my father and I get the money for a Henry Repeater but it's banned because the one we were getting could have a metal/polymer finish as an "assault weapon" then I'm going to laugh.

  • 12.27.2012 8:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: ShotgunTroll
rumors say that as much as 5 years worth of guns and ammo has been sold in a two week period, resulting in shortages.
Brownells said that they sold 3 years worth of Pmags in 72 hours.

  • 12.27.2012 8:10 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Frosan
...does anyone else find it strange that the people trying to take away weapons are the ones that see themselves as an exception to the rule?
nope.

they want to be the ruling class, above the "peasants".

it's why we have a culture of radical, sensationalist lying media what promotes unquestioning loyalty to anything said and statism. they don't want free thinkers. they want obedient peasants to rule over.

and gun safes? they can steal a safe. almost all safes can be broken into. every one with a plasma cutter. it's only a matter of time/tools.

safes are only a detterrence.

and not everyone has the money. a quality safe is really expensive (~$1200-$6000).

and the gun show loophole doesn't exist.
if the seller is an FFL, you will fill out a 4473.

if they're a private citizen, they will require a bill of sale with your name and ID printed on it.

  • 12.27.2012 8:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

so dumd

  • 12.27.2012 8:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Adamantiumind
Ha! I had the same thought.

That 84% tells me a lot about how responsible some gun owners are with their weapons, and it also tells me how effective those guns are at stopping (more like enticing) break-ins when their owners aren't around. Which, as far as I knew, home protection/break-in protection was a main reason why one owns a gun.
Please, tell me a foolproof method of keeping my guns from being stolen.

  • 12.27.2012 8:18 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Scottus4
That would only work if the "maniacs" acquired those guns through legal methods and went through a background check. This sums up anything else I could say about this, wow.

84% of weapons used are stolen from a law-biding citizen and then used, and that's an argument against gun control? Sheeeit son, we need to take a page from the Canadians and start legislating some minimum weapon storage measures. Bare minimum they should be under lock and key if they aren't on someone's person.

Man, 84%, that's insane. How is it that lax? You can legally get fingered up the *** by TSA at the airport but you can leave an Uzi laying out on your front porch? Let's use some common sense people!

WATCH THE LINKS IN THE OP(please)! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE IGNORANCE OF REALITY.

those aren't propaganda, they're actually facts that media doesn't want you to know.

  • 12.27.2012 8:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
WATCH THE LINKS IN THE OP(please)! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE IGNORANCE OF REALITY.

those aren't propaganda, they're actually facts that media doesn't want you to know.


Anybody who presents evidence in the form of a YouTube video has a solid chance of being a complete moron.

The same goes for anybody who uses the phrase 'what the media doesn't want you to know'.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 8:28 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 8:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: ShotgunTroll

Posted by: Scottus4
That would only work if the "maniacs" acquired those guns through legal methods and went through a background check. This sums up anything else I could say about this, wow.

84% of weapons used are stolen from a law-biding citizen and then used, and that's an argument against gun control? Sheeeit son, we need to take a page from the Canadians and start legislating some minimum weapon storage measures. Bare minimum they should be under lock and key if they aren't on someone's person.

Man, 84%, that's insane. How is it that lax? You can legally get fingered up the *** by TSA at the airport but you can leave an Uzi laying out on your front porch? Let's use some common sense people!

WATCH THE LINKS IN THE OP(please)! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE IGNORANCE OF REALITY.

those aren't propaganda, they're actually facts that media doesn't want you to know.


I had a thread last night about the term Assault Weapon and what is classified as an "Assault Weapon."

It has become quite clear that they don't care what you say, the are so cemented in their beliefs. I debated with them well into the night, and in the end, I like to think my self the victor. Because I was able to bring up points that they simply could not beat. So a few of them resorted to slippery slope.

I believe you posted a few times in that thread Shotgun.

  • 12.27.2012 8:27 PM PDT


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Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me
Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
because we aren't the problem, criminals are.
This level of naïveté is almost tragic.
the naivete is on you. we have cartels does britan have cartels?, australia?, THEN PISS OFF you forigin anti gun -blam!- head guns will still get unless you want to fix central america?

and the america is terrible hipsters go live in el salvador and then -blam!- about the gun policies in america

  • 12.27.2012 8:29 PM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: cameo_cream
Why not just ban guns like the rest of the world.
Because according to Americans Australia is a hellhole full of left wing socialist liberal communist -blam!-s what should drown in the ocean.

Let the boat people in, keep the violent maniacs out.

  • 12.27.2012 8:32 PM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: Seggi31
Anybody who presents evidence in the form of a YouTube video has a solid chance of being a complete moron.

The same goes for anybody who uses the phrase 'what the media doesn't want you to know'.
mfw you apparently think that the media isn't trying to sway your opinion by misrepresenting facts or simply not reporting on them.

When was the last time you've seen a report on a person who used a weapon to defend their lives? The rare times that I see it, they're drowned out by the "another killing on Elm Street!" "do you think we can trust people with guns, here's a murder story!" stories. I have to go through magazines like American Rifleman just to read stories about responsible gun use.

  • 12.27.2012 8:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

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Posted by: Locke357
Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me
Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
because we aren't the problem, criminals are.
This level of naïveté is almost tragic.
the naivete is on you. we have cartels does britan have cartels?, australia?, THEN PISS OFF you forigin anti gun -blam!- head guns will still get unless you want to fix central america?

and the america is terrible hipsters go live in el salvador and then -blam!- about the gun policies in america
How about you learn to spell before you slag off my country, mate.

  • 12.27.2012 8:43 PM PDT

Key

Those people are idiots. Anyone who thinks someone is going to take away their guns is an idiot.

  • 12.27.2012 8:43 PM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?

let me clear this issue of "gun theft" right up for the slower of audiences

  • 12.27.2012 8:46 PM PDT

SVM

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I did not know this

  • 12.27.2012 8:46 PM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: ShotgunTroll
WATCH THE LINKS IN THE OP(please)! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE IGNORANCE OF REALITY.

those aren't propaganda, they're actually facts that media doesn't want you to know.


Anybody who presents evidence in the form of a YouTube video has a solid chance of being a complete moron.

The same goes for anybody who uses the phrase 'what the media doesn't want you to know'.
>would you rather read the difference between Assault Rifles and semi-auto? or would you rather be shown it and the laws you seem to not understand/know about be explained by people who actually know what they're talking about and aren't lying to you?

one of the videos:there is a man with legally owned MGs who shows you how semi is different from full.
another video explains laws.
another will show you how AR-15s are semi-auto only.

the point being instead of calling me a moron by letting people demonstrate things, be happy i am not only linking you to paragraphs you don't understand.

and you don't think the media has a political agenda? really?
why do they use misnomers on purpose constantly? why do they purposely use wrong terminology? it's a scare tactic designed to misinform the viewer.

the media doesn't report on certain things that should be national news at times because it goes against their agenda. Fast and Furious is an example. until a "muckraking" journalist uncovered it, nobody was reporting it.

  • 12.27.2012 8:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: Locke357
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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
[quote]Posted by: Locke357/Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
because we aren't the problem, criminals are.
This level of naïveté is almost tragic.
the naivete is on you. we have cartels does britan have cartels?, australia?, THEN PISS OFF you forigin anti gun -blam!- head guns will still get unless you want to fix central america?

and the america is terrible hipsters go live in el salvador and then -blam!- about the gun policies in america
How about you learn to spell before you slag off my country, mate.
its a laptop, and i aint slagging anything off, your country has Way different neighbors than us so stop pretending everyone's domestic policies are interchangeable

no ones complaining about central america being harsh on drugs

  • 12.27.2012 8:53 PM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: n00b 0f d00m
let me clear this issue of "gun theft" right up for the slower of audiences
Are you guys going to do anything about this black market?

"Oh, criminals can easily get weapons from the black market, but instead of doing anything about that, let's just give guns to everyone so we're all on an equal playing field!"

"Oh, our police force doesn't have the ability to prevent crime, so instead of making it so they can do something about crime, let's give everyone guns so that the common citizen can prevent crime himself!"

"Oh, I don't agree with my government, but instead of doing anything about changing it, let's hand out weapons to everyone and promote anarchy instead!"

  • 12.27.2012 9:00 PM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?

Posted by: Baph117
This is an incredible step forward to being able to cure Downss sybndonre mn humans bineg.s

Posted by: Xplode441
mfw you apparently think that the media isn't trying to sway your opinion by misrepresenting facts or simply not reporting on them.

When was the last time you've seen a report on a person who used a weapon to defend their lives? The rare times that I see it, they're drowned out by the "another killing on Elm Street!" "do you think we can trust people with guns, here's a murder story!" stories. I have to go through magazines like American Rifleman just to read stories about responsible gun use.


lol, the majority of the media doesn't have an agenda, they just report stories that get them better ratings, or sell more papers.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 9:03 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 9:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: n00b 0f d00m
Its a laptop, and i aint slagging anything off, your country has Way different neighbors than us so stop pretending everyone's domestic policies are interchangeable

no ones complaining about central america being harsh on drugs
I'm on a tab, and yet...

Anyway, aren't you supposed to be harsh on drugs, since they're, you know, illegal?

Or are you of the mindset that nothing should be done about crime since criminals break laws?

  • 12.27.2012 9:05 PM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: n00b 0f d00m
let me clear this issue of "gun theft" right up for the slower of audiences
Are you guys going to do anything about this black market?

"Oh, criminals can easily get weapons from the black market, but instead of doing anything about that, let's just give guns to everyone so we're all on an equal playing field!"

"Oh, our police force doesn't have the ability to prevent crime, so instead of making it so they can do something about crime, let's give everyone guns so that the common citizen can prevent crime himself!"

"Oh, I don't agree with my government, but instead of doing anything about changing it, let's hand out weapons to everyone and promote anarchy instead!"
ummm border patrol A.T.F. N.S.A. and C.I.A. have all taken stabs at the black market at one time or another. but as I've said in my earlier posts we are in a bad spot geopoliticaly to just take guns from law abiding citizens.

oh and just because i can make your side look stupid with the whole "stealing from legal owners" argument, doesn't mean me or really anyone i know on my side are suggesting giving guns to everyone

  • 12.27.2012 9:10 PM PDT