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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: cameo_cream
This guy seriously just tried to compare Japan to the United States.

Japan: 145,925 sq miles, 125 million people
USA: 3,794,083 square miles, 311,591,917 people

Japan: Not next to an unstable country full of drug cartels on the border.
USA: Has a large amount of gang activity and dangerous cartels moving around on the border.

Yor a genus. A totl gun ban wil wrk.




I don't want to sound condescending but it's about principle...... and I don't think you will ever understand what I mean. Other countries do though.


And you don't understand what it means to be an American. And its because of principles is the reason why im against an all out gun ban, for its against the ideas this great country was founded on.

Guns for the civilians are not just for fun, or self defense against robbers or murders, they could hypothetically be used against a government of tyranny that is severly hurting the people. That was one of the reasons why the founding fathers allowed us guns in the first place.

And though it may be unlikely for the US government to turn to evil, there is always a possibility in the future, no matter how unlikely it is. Of course you could also say that what guns civilians have would never match up to military power. And though that is true, having guns, even weaker ones, is better then having a population with no guns in which tyranny can easily trampler over. Besides if the government became extremely corrupt and totalitarian in the future, i don't think the entire military would fight the civilian population, and having guns could help civilians gain military weapons if the time calls for it.

If your Japanese government ever became a totalitarian government again, that hurt its own people, then you guys would wish to have something to fight back with.

  • 12.27.2012 11:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
And yet you do nothing.
Actually, our country does a lot to get kids off the streets and away from gangs. It's mostly just communities who get together to help each other though, or the state government gets off its butt and builds a center where kids can go after school to get away from having to join a gang to feel accepted.

The problem is that people aren't aware that gang activity is a large contributor to gun homicide, I've never seen the media say that after a bad shooting. I've never seen a gun control activist group say, "we're not going to spend millions on lobbyist, instead, we'll build a community center for underprivileged kids to keep them off the streets and away from gangs."

  • 12.27.2012 11:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

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Posted by: cameo_cream
Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: cameo_cream
This guy seriously just tried to compare Japan to the United States.

Japan: 145,925 sq miles, 125 million people
USA: 3,794,083 square miles, 311,591,917 people

Japan: Not next to an unstable country full of drug cartels on the border.
USA: Has a large amount of gang activity and dangerous cartels moving around on the border.

Yor a genus. A totl gun ban wil wrk.




I don't want to sound condescending but it's about principle...... and I don't think you will ever understand what I mean. Other countries do though.


And you don't understand what it means to be an American. And its because of principles is the reason why im against an all out gun ban, for its against the ideas this great country was founded on.

Guns for the civilians are not just for fun, or self defense against robbers or murders, they could hypothetically be used against a government of tyranny that is severly hurting the people. That was one of the reasons why the founding fathers allowed us guns in the first place.

And though it may be unlikely for the US government to turn to evil, there is always a possibility in the future, no matter how unlikely it is. Of course you could also say that what guns civilians have would never match up to military power. And though that is true, having guns, even weaker ones, is better then having a population with no guns in which tyranny can easily trampler over. Besides if the government became extremely corrupt and totalitarian in the future, i don't think the entire military would fight the civilian population, and having guns could help civilians gain military weapons if the time calls for it.

If your Japanese government ever became a totalitarian government again, that hurt its own people, then you guys would wish to have something to fight back with.
You act like it's likely that governments will turn corrupt.

Totalitarian governments don't overpower the populace, they are put in by the people. The brainwashed, patriotic, nationalist people.

Having weapons isn't going to help when the people think they're doing the right thing by putting in this government. It's only much later, when it's already too late to do anything, that the civilians realise that things might not be so swell now.

But by then, they're already firmly under the boot of tyranny, and there's nothing they can do about it.

The reason a society like America, Australia or Japan will never have a tyrannical government is because:
1. we've already learnt from mistakes in the past, and can thus look for the signs
2. The entire populaces of these countries will never be able to agree on anything, so thus if one half of the country wants to vote in ultranationalists, the other half is going to be extremely resistant. Which means that the ultranationalists won't get in apart from by force, and force will just cause a civil war.

  • 12.27.2012 11:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xplode441

The transition wouldn't be instant will it? And gun stores have records of who owns guns, so those people have limited amounts of time to return them before a fine.

Of course criminals and blah blah blah. The less guns the better, I'm sure police can raid areas will suspicion of gun ownership and confiscate them. But why bother? Because guns are good.

I'm not going further into this because there is absolutely no point. You won't change your mind, and I sure as hell won't because I don't believe that guns should be standard.... I don't see anybody convincing me why they should.

I'm so glad I don't live in America. I don't have to live in fear all my life.

  • 12.27.2012 11:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: Garshne
And yet you do nothing.
Actually, our country does a lot to get kids off the streets and away from gangs. It's mostly just communities who get together to help each other though, or the state government gets off its butt and builds a center where kids can go after school to get away from having to join a gang to feel accepted.

The problem is that people aren't aware that gang activity is a large contributor to gun homicide, I've never seen the media say that after a bad shooting. I've never seen a gun control activist group say, "we're not going to spend millions on lobbyist, instead, we'll build a community center for underprivileged kids to keep them off the streets and away from gangs."


All they care about is furthering their Agenda. They want to put a paper towel on an infected wound and call it healed because it fits in their criteria for success.

Do you honestly think that Anti-gun groups care about the people that die due to gang violence? No, they just use the numbers for their own benefit.

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

  • 12.27.2012 11:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream

Posted by: Xplode441

The transition wouldn't be instant will it? And gun stores have records of who owns guns, so those people have limited amounts of time to return them before a fine.

Of course criminals and blah blah blah. The less guns the better, I'm sure police can raid areas will suspicion of gun ownership and confiscate them. But why bother? Because guns are good.

I'm not going further into this because there is absolutely no point. You won't change your mind, and I sure as hell won't because I don't believe that guns should be standard.... I don't see anybody convincing me why they should.

I'm so glad I don't live in America. I don't have to live in fear all my life.
What is there to fear for. Gun violence isnt common place like the media makes it out to be.

  • 12.27.2012 11:26 PM PDT

you killed poonflip!

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A storm is coming...

  • 12.27.2012 11:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream

Posted by: Xplode441

The transition wouldn't be instant will it? And gun stores have records of who owns guns, so those people have limited amounts of time to return them before a fine.

Of course criminals and blah blah blah. The less guns the better, I'm sure police can raid areas will suspicion of gun ownership and confiscate them. But why bother? Because guns are good.

I'm not going further into this because there is absolutely no point. You won't change your mind, and I sure as hell won't because I don't believe that guns should be standard.... I don't see anybody convincing me why they should.

I'm so glad I don't live in America. I don't have to live in fear all my life.


Do you know that it would take 20 years to go door to door to find every single firearm in the US?

Dealer records only detail current address. Those records are not set in stone, and if a person moves with those firearms, or sells them, they essentially disappear.

it would cost, I am going to go as far as, billions of dollars to go door to door looking for firearms.

It would not end well for the government at all.

  • 12.27.2012 11:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: Garshne
And yet you do nothing.
Actually, our country does a lot to get kids off the streets and away from gangs. It's mostly just communities who get together to help each other though, or the state government gets off its butt and builds a center where kids can go after school to get away from having to join a gang to feel accepted.

The problem is that people aren't aware that gang activity is a large contributor to gun homicide, I've never seen the media say that after a bad shooting. I've never seen a gun control activist group say, "we're not going to spend millions on lobbyist, instead, we'll build a community center for underprivileged kids to keep them off the streets and away from gangs."
Honestly the thing I see is that there should be more done to combat crime itself. Handing out guns isn't a solution and neither is taking all of them away.

I'm parroting here, but I still think that the police force needs improvement.

And to pre-empt Spartan here, yes, fighting crime is what the police are supposed to do.

It is not the responsibility of the citizen to maintain order in society. It is the responsibility of the government, court of law, police and military to maintain the safety and order of the civilian populace in a country.

That ruling by your courts saying that it is unconstitutional for the police to fight crime is absolute bull-blam!-, and is, methinks, just your government absolving themselves from blame. "Crime rates are soaring? Not our job, the constitution says so."

A poor country you have where the citizen must fend for himself.

I sound like a -blam!- soviet.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 11:35 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 11:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: cameo_cream
The transition wouldn't be instant will it? And gun stores have records of who owns guns, so those people have limited amounts of time to return them before a fine.
Genius! Track down and take the property of people who did nothing wrong for the greater good! No one will see this as tyrannous.

Of course criminals and blah blah blah. The less guns the better, I'm sure police can raid areas will suspicion of gun ownership and confiscate them. But why bother? Because guns are good. You just took the guns from legal owners, and you think it'll be as simple as, Guy: "I heard there were a huge warehouse full of illegal guns." Cops, "Dun wury, we got dis." "Yai! We gut all d gernz!" "Pepl r saf!"

I'm not going further into this because there is absolutely no point. You won't change your mind, and I sure as hell won't because I don't believe that guns should be standard.... I don't see anybody convincing me why they should.
So you see no point in countering what I've said? Mmmk, at least you're not spouting dribble and stupid generalizing insults anymore.

I'm so glad I don't live in America. I don't have to live in fear all my life.You should always fear and be prepared for someone to come at you with ill intent, because it can happen anywhere and at any time. You can surround yourself with pillows, but people will always be dangerous.

  • 12.27.2012 11:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: cameo_cream
This guy seriously just tried to compare Japan to the United States.

Japan: 145,925 sq miles, 125 million people
USA: 3,794,083 square miles, 311,591,917 people

Japan: Not next to an unstable country full of drug cartels on the border.
USA: Has a large amount of gang activity and dangerous cartels moving around on the border.

Yor a genus. A totl gun ban wil wrk.


*Facedesk*

I now understand why your country is so low on the global education scale.

And who said it was anything about population? And what do civilians have to do with drug movements? Oh that's right they have nothing to do with it. Who said that law enforcements can't use guns? They aren't criminals nor normal civilians so how are your points relevant at all?

I don't want to sound condescending but it's about principle...... and I don't think you will ever understand what I mean. Other countries do though.

You know you've lost the battle when you resort to insulting another's intelligence.

  • 12.27.2012 11:38 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Gruntzilla24
I don't think anyone here is in favor of totally banning guns.

There are legal solutions to these mass shootings. Instead of being a total -blam!-, why don't you support these solutions?
because if you'd bother doing actual factual, you'd know you have no real ground on which to accuse legal gun owners of being the cause of crimes. we have a poor justice system, a poor education system, a poor healthcare system, too much unemployment rates, over 11 million illegal invaders, and an aging infrastructure. get rid of those problems and you stop a lot of crimes.

instead you just repeat whatever false info you're told on the news, never thinking, never questioning, never learning.

hell i posted resources with which to start doing research in the OP.

it gets ignored because "Hurr, doesn't support my position. it's invalid". we're not being unreasonable, it's the people who don't listen to fact and only want feel good laws that don't solve any problems who're being unreasonable.

we're trying to teach ya something but it's only met with a NOOOPE.avi response


what good does an AWB do? we had one before and crime ONLY went up.
because it only bans guns that some politician thinks looks scary. no functions affected, just looks and the legal citizens affected.


and the so called Assalt wepunz are used in less than 1% of all gun crime.

94% of ALL gun crime is gang members killing other gang members with small handguns in small calibers like .22 short.

Semi-auto means only one shot per trigger pull. hold the trigger and you'll still only have fired one shot until you let go and pull again.

>ban MGs!
uh, they already did. in 1934 they required a $200 registration. on May 19, 1986 they closed the registry, defacto banning new MGs for non-government use.

what's more is that there have only been 5 crimes committed with a registered MG since 1934 till now. 2 of those being a police officer's murder-suicide.

>ban the high cap mags!
uh, we tried that before. didn't stop crime at all. Columbine used several 10 rounder magazines in fact. reloading is a pain, drops the fun level at the range.
criminals don't care about that anyways

and "high cap" is a misnomer because 30 round mags for say an AR-15 or AKM pattern rifle is actually standard capacity.

>background check when you buy guns/gunshow loophole
uh have you never heard of a 4473 or bill of sale?

>registration
historically has always been the first step to confiscation.

>well regulated

at that time, the words meant well functioning.
and besides, the early US navy and Cannons used in the rev war were privately owned.

>no militia
Militia act of 1903 says every eligible male from 18-45 IS the militia


>they only had muskets and kentucky long rifles.
grape shot, girandoni air rifle, and puckel gun.

so what do you do? put welfare recipients in gov't factory jobs making things in the US, working for their money and take other measures to improve mental and physical healthcare and education, fix the infrastructure and reduce the underlying sociological root causes of crime.

and "mass shootings". that's also a misnomer. those are actually small, irregular minority events that receive massive publicity from a sensationalist politically agenda-ized media with no interest in truth. they are NOT as common as you think. they're just FAR more publicized.

the worst attack on a US school happened the day before lindburgh crossed the Atlantic and was a bombing by a PO'd Assistant Principal. over 150 people killed. nearly no publicity due to said flight though.


if we really do use the same scapegoating against guns,without bias or twisting, logic dictates
Boxcutters caused 9/11.

Fertilizer caused Oklahoma City.

  • 12.27.2012 11:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Xplode441
I'm so glad I don't live in America. I don't have to live in fear all my life.You should always fear and be prepared for someone to come at you with ill intent, because it can happen anywhere and at any time. You can surround yourself with pillows, but people will always be dangerous.
Then why aren't we all dead? Why is it that Australians can feel safe in Australia without weapons? People in the UK? People in Japan?

Because going by your logic the restriction on weapons would mean criminals are running rampant in those countries.

  • 12.27.2012 11:42 PM PDT

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Can we get a "Hallelujah!" in the house?!


PRAISE THE SHOTGUNTROLL!

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Combat that blind ignorance with hard fact.

  • 12.27.2012 11:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

[Edited on 12.27.2012 11:54 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2012 11:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.


The only way criminals are getting guns legally is if they haven't committed a crime yet. We don't punish people for something they might do.

  • 12.27.2012 11:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

More often than not, they're getting guns illegally. When a criminal wants to do a crime here and now, they're not gonna wait 14 days to get a gun. They're gonna steal one from someone else.

  • 12.27.2012 11:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?

  • 12.27.2012 11:58 PM PDT

Australia and UK have higher assault rates, -blam!-, thefts, and victims of crime (nation master for my source)

Also, read the first 7 pages of this http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_scr een.pdf, I was going to post some facts from it but it would be pointless.

  • 12.27.2012 11:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Adam Lanza used weapons legally purchased by his mother.

  • 12.28.2012 12:01 AM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Piers

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.
nope.

VT.

cho was deemed crazy but the doctor failed to file the paperwork.
didn't get a red flag in NICS because of that. not the system's fault.

Aurora
Holmes never saw a mental doctor. he just snapped under pressure and went full retard.

Newtown

not legally acquired if he resorted to murder and theft to get his guns.he had to commit crime to obtain them, which was a crime in and of itself.

  • 12.28.2012 12:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Future criminals as well. Gabby Gifford's shooter walked into walmart, bought a gun, and killed 12 people.

If you mean to tell me that there is nothing that could have been done, you are a facking idiot.

  • 12.28.2012 12:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: AK 47625714

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Adam Lanza used weapons legally purchased by his mother.

Did you not read what I said? I mentioned that a way criminals obtain firearms is by stealing them. Adam Lanza did not obtain them legally. His mother owned them legally. Adam Lanza stole them from his mother's house.

Please think before you post.

  • 12.28.2012 12:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

How are criminals getting firearms legally? By law, felons are not allowed to own firearms. In order to obtain them they steal them or buy from other criminals.

How do they get them legally?
Future criminals as well. Gabby Gifford's shooter walked into walmart, bought a gun, and killed 12 people.

If you mean to tell me that there is nothing that could have been done, you are a facking idiot.

Haha, look at this guy.

If you knew anything about buying guns, you would know that you cannot simply walk into somewhere and buy a gun in a single day. There is a buffer period of 2 weeks (sometimes even more) before you are allowed to receive your firearm. And since when did Walmart start selling guns?

If anything, you're a pretty obvious troll.

  • 12.28.2012 12:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: family chief
Australia [...] have higher assault rates, -blam!-, thefts, and victims of crime (nation master for my source)
And that is, of course, directly caused by heavy gun restrictions. No doubt about it. This is FACT, because Americans are NEVER WRONG.

Of course the rising crime rate since 2008 has nothing to do with the global recession that started in 2008, nor the rising unemployment rates, nor the lack of development and infrastructure, nor the fall in the tourism industry (which is Australia's primary industry). In fact, heavier gun restrictions caused all of this.

  • 12.28.2012 12:06 AM PDT