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Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Criminals are getting guns legally, and that's a problem.

You can't deny that.

More often than not, they're getting guns illegally. When a criminal wants to do a crime here and now, they're not gonna wait 14 days to get a gun. They're gonna steal one from someone else.


Indeed. Where I live, we've had a few cops and security officers killed by gang members (ALWAYS gang members, ALWAYS those who somehow fell through the legal cracks) who were trying to steal their gun.

  • 12.28.2012 8:01 AM PDT

Do everyone a favor, get some intelligence, grow a set, bust a nut, and shut the fu­ck up.
Posted by: Anto91
you're retared for not knowing inside jokes
retard


Posted by: Locke357

Posted by: ShotgunTroll

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me
Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
because we aren't the problem, criminals are.
This level of naïveté is almost tragic.


Thats ironic coming from you.

There is no clear and well designed solution to a nation with 270 million legally owned guns, and just as many illegal.

  • 12.28.2012 8:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Locke357

Posted by: ShotgunTroll

Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me
Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
because we aren't the problem, criminals are.
This level of naïveté is almost tragic.


Thats ironic coming from you.

There is no clear and well designed solution to a nation with 270 million legally owned guns, and just as many illegal.
It's just hilarious to put the blame solely on criminals, and not those who have let things proceed to this point

  • 12.28.2012 9:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me
Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
I LOL'd.

  • 12.28.2012 10:08 AM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: spirit of sand
ITT: rednecks and their "CANT TAKE MUH FREEDOMS"
actually, we were having a somewhat civilized discusssion based on logic/facts.

check yo' self bruh.

>MFW people actually think that's actually a valid position for a debate.(lol)

  • 12.28.2012 10:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24

Posted by: Locke357
The American obsession with firearms continues to amaze me
Many Americans (like myself) agree. We want to be like the the UK, Canada, and Japan. But stubborn people won't let us change anything.
Anybody who wants America to be like the U.K. should just move there instead of trying to get rid of the things that make America great.

  • 12.28.2012 10:48 AM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: ShotgunTroll

Posted by: Gruntzilla24
I don't think anyone here is in favor of totally banning guns.

There are legal solutions to these mass shootings. Instead of being a total -blam!-, why don't you support these solutions?
because if you'd bother doing actual factual, you'd know you have no real ground on which to accuse legal gun owners of being the cause of crimes. we have a poor justice system, a poor education system, a poor healthcare system, too much unemployment rates, over 11 million illegal invaders, and an aging infrastructure. get rid of those problems and you stop a lot of crimes.

instead you just repeat whatever false info you're told on the news, never thinking, never questioning, never learning.

hell i posted resources with which to start doing research in the OP.

it gets ignored because "Hurr, doesn't support my position. it's invalid". we're not being unreasonable, it's the people who don't listen to fact and only want feel good laws that don't solve any problems who're being unreasonable.

we're trying to teach ya something but it's only met with a NOOOPE.avi response


what good does an AWB do? we had one before and crime ONLY went up.
because it only bans guns that some politician thinks looks scary. no functions affected, just looks and the legal citizens affected.


and the so called Assalt wepunz are used in less than 1% of all gun crime.

94% of ALL gun crime is gang members killing other gang members with small handguns in small calibers like .22 short.

Semi-auto means only one shot per trigger pull. hold the trigger and you'll still only have fired one shot until you let go and pull again.

>ban MGs!
uh, they already did. in 1934 they required a $200 registration. on May 19, 1986 they closed the registry, defacto banning new MGs for non-government use.

what's more is that there have only been 5 crimes committed with a registered MG since 1934 till now. 2 of those being a police officer's murder-suicide.

>ban the high cap mags!
uh, we tried that before. didn't stop crime at all. Columbine used several 10 rounder magazines in fact. reloading is a pain, drops the fun level at the range.
criminals don't care about that anyways

and "high cap" is a misnomer because 30 round mags for say an AR-15 or AKM pattern rifle is actually standard capacity.

>background check when you buy guns/gunshow loophole
uh have you never heard of a 4473 or bill of sale?

>registration
historically has always been the first step to confiscation.

>well regulated

at that time, the words meant well functioning.
and besides, the early US navy and Cannons used in the rev war were privately owned.

>no militia
Militia act of 1903 says every eligible male from 18-45 IS the militia


>they only had muskets and kentucky long rifles.
grape shot, girandoni air rifle, and puckel gun.

so what do you do? put welfare recipients in gov't factory jobs making things in the US, working for their money and take other measures to improve mental and physical healthcare and education, fix the infrastructure and reduce the underlying sociological root causes of crime.

and "mass shootings". that's also a misnomer. those are actually small, irregular minority events that receive massive publicity from a sensationalist politically agenda-ized media with no interest in truth. they are NOT as common as you think. they're just FAR more publicized.

the worst attack on a US school happened the day before lindburgh crossed the Atlantic and was a bombing by a PO'd Assistant Principal. over 150 people killed. nearly no publicity due to said flight though.


if we really do use the same scapegoating against guns,without bias or twisting, logic dictates
Boxcutters caused 9/11.

Fertilizer caused Oklahoma City.
anyone even gonna try to refute this?

  • 12.28.2012 10:53 AM PDT
Subject: what do you think of "the run on the guns"?

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: ShotgunTroll
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: crispychicken49I'd be more afraid of the criminal with an Armalite-15 than the criminal with a KA-BAR.
o_o good lord man, are yeh daft?

have ye' not being payin' attention to this thread?

Criminals really aren't using the ARs. it's cheapo small handguns in weak calibers that they specialize in. hence why the AWB is useless. please educate yourself. it is not hard, we are not trying to spin "our side" or any lies. only spreading facts. hell we even collected them in this thread for easy viewing.

ignoring them facts doesn't further your position. only makes you look less mature and more childish. kinda like mr morgan's attacks on anyone he disagrees with.

it's not the trained average joe you have to fear. it's the criminals.
Where did I say that criminals were buying AR-15s? Way to put words in my mouth.

If there were two doors in front of me, and I had to go through either one, and one had a guy with a gun behind it who wants to shoot me, and the other had a guy with a knife behind it who wants to stab me, I would ten times out of ten go for the door with a guy with a knife behind it. That's what I was saying.
oh. i'd rather be shot by the .22 snub because i'd statistically be more likely to be seriously or minorly wounded vs a stab wound.

stabs are often more fatal than gun shots.

  • 12.28.2012 11:53 AM PDT
Subject: the run on the guns?

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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Japan's homicide rate per capita (which gets rid of the population factor) is still MUCH lower than ours and they have much stricter gun regulations.

inb4correlation!=causation (Pro Tip to some people: just because you know that correlation != causation doesn't mean that you can just discredit all correlation as worthless.)
Again, the US has a large amount of gang activity among youths, and we have dangerous cartels on the border. To the stats!

Age group 18-34 deaths:
Victims: 68.4% from Gang related homicide
Offenders: 69.2% Gang related homicide
Victims: 59.3% gun homicide
Offenders: 64.8% gun homicide

Japan is tied with French Polynesia for the 6th lowest homicide rate in the world with 0.3 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants. The US is sitting pretty at 99th, tied with Yemen and two other countries with 4.2 homicides per 100,000. There are a plethora of developed countries with stricter gun laws and significantly lower homicide rates - all under 2.0 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants. England (1.2), Germany (0.8), France (1.1), Canada (1.6), Spain (0.8), the Netherlands (1.1), Italy (0.9), Portugal (1.2), and Australia (1.0) just to name a few. Sure, gang violence is fairly prevalent in the US but with this many examples, it's hard to use that excuse to carry you all that far.

  • 12.28.2012 1:15 PM PDT